What's the Deal with the Anti-MSI Circlejerk?

[PlayStation 2]

First off, sorry if this is the wrong section to talk about this in, I don't know where I'd place it, but far more recently, it seems like MSI has gotten a lot of shit for... some reason. Now I've been out of the loop for a good while, but can someone fill me in as to why more people dislike MSI than I remembered?

[orbitalbuzzsaw]

Let's see...

 

Shitty motherboards

 

Mediocre cooling GPUs (except the ARMOR, that thing is basically a grill)

 

Overpriced laptops

 

Stupid lights

 

And it's all covered in stupid glossy red plastic to boot

 

Basically, they don't make the best anything. Better options always exist and usually for the same or cheaper price

[flibberdipper]

1 minute ago, OrbitalBuzzsaw said:

Let's see...

 

Shitty motherboards

 

Mediocre cooling GPUs (except the ARMOR, that thing is basically a grill)

 

Overpriced laptops

 

Stupid lights

 

And it's all covered in stupid glossy red plastic to boot

 

Basically, they don't make the best anything. Better options always exist and usually for the same or cheaper price

You forgot that their RMA department seems to be run by incompetent monkeys. Hell in my experience the monkeys were so incompetent they were barely capable of breathing.

[Zando_]

Just now, OrbitalBuzzsaw said:

Let's see...

 

Shitty motherboards

 

Mediocre cooling GPUs (except the ARMOR, that thing is basically a grill)

 

Overpriced laptops

 

Stupid lights

 

And it's all covered in stupid glossy red plastic to boot

 

Basically, they don't make the best anything. Better options always exist and usually for the same or cheaper price

All true except the GPU point, usually the EVGA FTW, ASUS STRIX, and MSI Gaming X cards are the top 3 for basically any GPU model. I have an MSI Gaming 980 Ti 6G and it's pretty dank, doesn't overheat any more than you'd expect a 980 Ti stuffed in an mITX Enthoo Evolv to.

[orbitalbuzzsaw]

Just now, tmcclelland455 said:

You forgot that their RMA department seems to be run by incompetent monkeys. Hell in my experience the monkeys were so incompetent they were barely capable of breathing.

Wouldn't know, I almost never buy anything MSi and when I do I sell it pretty quick

[orbitalbuzzsaw]

1 minute ago, Zando Bob said:

All true except the GPU point

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/7xKhP6/msi-geforce-gtx-1080-ti-11gb-armor-video-card-geforce-gtx-1080-ti-armor-11g-oc

 

Also the STRIX eats the EVGA FTW for lunch

[minibois]

Their laptops have tons of useless programs pre installed too, which makes them a lot slower in benchmarks than they would be without these programs.

Furthermore.. What has been said above. I only have a personal experience with one of their motherboards and can say it's okay, which you don't want to say about a board in its price range.

[Blasteque]

You get burned by somebody once, and it's hard to go back.  MSI burned me 17 years ago and I refuse to use their parts again unless there is no alternative.  I would guess that I'm not alone in having such an extreme reaction to tech brands.

 

Their stuff might be good now, maybe, I don't know.  I'm too paranoid to risk it; and why should I?  If there'e competition, then there's no point in going there.

[homeap5]

I like MSI, for sure more than Gigabyte. I never has problem with any MSI mobo or GPU. They made not so good BIOS compared to Asus, but is not that bad. I have problems with fans on Asus cards, but never on MSI. It's just happens sometimes that people choose brand that is not liked and everyone starts complain. Like people complain about Microsoft, but still uses Windows. MSI makes better mobo for the same price mostly and after my last Asus experience and past Gigabyte crap experience I think that MSI or Asrock are not bad at all. But it's always personal choice.

 

I agree that support sucks.

[orbitalbuzzsaw]

1 minute ago, Minibois said:

Their laptops have tons of useless programs pre installed too, which makes them a lot slower in benchmarks than they would be without these programs.

Furthermore.. What has been said above. I only have a personal experience with one of their motherboards and can say it's okay, which you don't want to say about a board in its price range.

I have that exact board and it works fine, can't take my 1600 to the max though, I hit 3.95GhZ on a STRIX B350-F but 3.85 was the max stable on the Gaming Pro Carbon

[aezakmi]

that glossy cheap looking plastic on their graphics cards is just fucking horrible.

 

this was their last kinda decent design imo, after this it all went to hell

[orbitalbuzzsaw]

Just now, homeap5 said:

I like MSI, for sure more than Gigabyte. I never has problem with any MSI mobo or GPU. They made not so good BIOS compared to Asus, but is not that bad. I have problems with fans on Asus cards, but never on MSI. It's just happens sometimes that people choose brand that is not liked and everyone starts complain. Like people complain about Microsoft, but still uses Windows. MSI makes better mobo for the same price mostly and after my last Asus experience and past Gigabyte crap experience I think that MSI or Asrock are not bad at all. But it's always personal choice.

 

I agree that support sucks.

 - Gigabyte makes better stuff all round (lookin at you Aero 15X)

 - Yes it is, it's totally unusable if you're used to the ASUS one

 - I've never had an ASUS card die on me, but I have had two EVGA cards not feel so good. Never had the misfortune of working with an MSi card

 - AsRock makes the best budget stuff, Pro4s are great

[orbitalbuzzsaw]

Just now, aezakmi said:

that glossy cheap looking plastic on their graphics cards is just fucking horrible.

 

this was their last kinda decent design imo, after this it all went to hell

Also that goddamn RED

[Ashley MLP Fangirl]

2 hours ago, Zando Bob said:

All true except the GPU point, usually the EVGA FTW, ASUS STRIX, and MSI Gaming X cards are the top 3 for basically any GPU model. I have an MSI Gaming 980 Ti 6G and it's pretty dank, doesn't overheat any more than you'd expect a 980 Ti stuffed in an mITX Enthoo Evolv to.

i've got an MSI R9 290X and under full load it gets to 94 degrees celsius and stays there, throttling... that card is a furnace.

[orbitalbuzzsaw]

Just now, firelighter487 said:

i've got an MSI R9 290X and under full load it gets to 94 degrees celsius and stays there, throttling... that card is a furnace.

To be fair it's a 290X which is basically a grill masquerading as a GPU

[minibois]

3 minutes ago, OrbitalBuzzsaw said:

I have that exact board and it works fine, can't take my 1600 to the max though, I hit 3.95GhZ on a STRIX B350-F but 3.85 was the max stable on the Gaming Pro Carbon

I do have to be honest, with more and more BIOS it seems to have gotten better, but when I got it (which was just after the first Ryzen 5 CPU's came out) it was really quite unstable with memory settings that other boards in its price range were able to run.

Also, resetting its BIOS is quite inconvenient, not just having a button on the board to do it but actually having to jump some connectors.

[seon123]

1 minute ago, firelighter487 said:

i've got an MSI R9 290X and under full load it gets to 94 degrees celsius and stays there, throttling... that card is a furnace.

A friend of mine has the 290X DCUII (remember when DCUII was Asus' highest end cooler?), and that also does the same inside a Fractal R5 with 2 intake + 1 exhaust fans. 

[Ashley MLP Fangirl]

2 hours ago, OrbitalBuzzsaw said:

To be fair it's a 290X which is basically a grill masquerading as a GPU

sure but it's an aftermarket cooled card. i get mad at company's who design their products to thermal throttle. that seems to be the case with this card. they could have put better cooling on it, but they didn't.

[Jurrunio]

Mobo: AMD 300 series chipset ones suck, 400 series are the best for their price. Intel stuff, so so as always. They cant overclock, so no reason to make them better

 

GPU: Red and Dragon all over the place in the past, not so much with their newest releases. Also the 1080/1080ti Armor, they might as well give you a bare PCB and tell you to sort the cooling out yourself.

 

Gaming laptops: Red and Dragon all over the place as usual

 

Coolers: not sure

 

Customer service: depends on region, in Taiwan it's alright.

 

4 minutes ago, OrbitalBuzzsaw said:

To be fair it's a 290X which is basically a grill masquerading as a GPU

Cooks your food when you play games, so you can enjoy it later. What's not to like about that?

[orbitalbuzzsaw]

Just now, firelighter487 said:

sure but it's an aftermarket cooled card. i get mad at company's who design their products to thermal throttle

> mad at thermal throttling

> has a macbook

> hmmmm.jpg

 

2 minutes ago, Minibois said:

I do have to be honest, with more and more BIOS it seems to have gotten better, but when I got it (which was just after the first Ryzen 5 CPU's came out) it was really quite unstable with memory settings that other boards in its price range were able to run.

Also, resetting its BIOS is quite inconvenient, not just having a button on the board to do it but actually having to jump some connectors.

Yeah, it was, what, a $170 board and it got beat by a $110 budget board?

[Zando_]

5 minutes ago, firelighter487 said:

i've got an MSI R9 290X and under full load it gets to 94 degrees celsius and stays there, throttling... that card is a furnace.

Oof. My 980 Ti has hit 83C under load before, but that was a year or so ago, during summer, when I was just getting into proper PCMR stuff. Last time I used it it maxed somewhere around 77C IIRC. 

[Ashley MLP Fangirl]

2 hours ago, seon123 said:

A friend of mine has the 290X DCUII (remember when DCUII was Asus' highest end cooler?), and that also does the same inside a Fractal R5 with 2 intake + 1 exhaust fans. 

really? the 780Ti i have is a directCU II card, and in Overwatch that thing sits around the 60 to 70 degrees. that 290X in Overwatch sits in the 80-85 degree range. and the 780Ti has almost the same TDP, and the 780Ti that i have has 2 8-pin power plugs, whereas the 290x has 8pin and 6 pin...

[orbitalbuzzsaw]

Just now, Jurrunio said:

Mobo: AMD 300 series chipset ones suck, 400 series are the best for their price. Intel stuff, so so as always. They cant overclock, so no reason to make them better

 

GPU: Red and Dragon all over the place in the past, not so much with their newest releases. Also the 1080/1080ti Armor, they might as well give you a bare PCB and tell you to sort the cooling out yourself.

 

Gaming laptops: Red and Dragon all over the place as usual

 

Coolers: not sure

 

Customer service: depends on region, in Taiwan it's alright.

 

Cooks your food when you play games, so you can enjoy it later. What's not to like about that?

 - Still sticking with the red though

 - Boards : Uhh, no.

 - Laptops actually aren't so bad now, though gold seems like an odd choice

 - Coolers are mediocre

 - Customer service is shit in NA, haven't had to deal with their call center baboons in Europe yet

[Ashley MLP Fangirl]

2 hours ago, OrbitalBuzzsaw said:

> mad at thermal throttling

> has a macbook

> hmmmm.jpg

yeah so? doesn't mean i like thermal throttling. you probably use products you don't like everything about. does that mean that you shouldn't use them? of course not.

[orbitalbuzzsaw]

Just now, firelighter487 said:

yeah so? doesn't mean i like thermal throttling. you probably use products you don't like everything about. does that mean that you shouldn't use them? of course not.

Yeah, still you bought it when Windows laptops with better specs were probably available for similar price