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RTX 2080 with 4K G-Sync

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Is anyone using an RTX 2080 with a 4K G-Sync monitor? This is one combo which doesn't seem to have been at all discussed in reviews, and certainly would (in theory) make the 4K experience with the 2080 that bit smoother and playable in those games where it's perhaps not hitting the FPS numbers we would like.

 

Curious if anyone actually has this combo and can comment?

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19 minutes ago, atomicus said:

 

Given the insane cost of 4k IPS G-sync you're better off with a 4k IPS free-sync display and a 2080ti

G-sync in general is a waste of money, and with the 2080ti's performance you can just use fast-sync on the 60hz display at slightly lower settings.
 

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I know Jay's and hardware unboxed's reviews and overclocks are done on a 4k monitor. Hardware unboxed also did alot of 4k gaming benchmarks, basically what I gatherer is that if you want a really smooth experience you'll need a 2080 ti, still need to get as close to 60fps as possible even with gsync, all the tests are done in ultra though.

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25 minutes ago, Streetguru said:

Given the insane cost of 4k IPS G-sync you're better off with a 4k IPS free-sync display and a 2080ti

G-sync in general is a waste of money, and with the 2080ti's performance you can just use fast-sync on the 60hz display at slightly lower settings.
 

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The reason I ask is that I already have 4K G-Sync monitor... the 32" XB321HK, which I've had for a while. It's a great monitor, I love it, and it cost me less than that one you've linked.

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I don't think G-Sync is a waste of money, instead the other way around. Absolutely neccessary in order to get the games smooth.

 

With a 4k Freesync monitor (Yes, g-sync costs too much here IPS Freesync starts at 350-400€, with G-Sync like 700-800€... but what's the choice) there is only 1 single Possibility how your Games can run smooth: V-Sync ON + at least 60-61fps upwards (or Fast Sync maybe too with enough fps), so you have always perfectly even 16,67ms Frametimes. As soon fps fall to 59 or below, it WILL stutter, period.

 

Turning V-Sync OFF won't stutter, but it will tear, and this is very contra productive for "smooth motion".

 

 

So yea... Either you have a 60 fps target as a must have (which is not easy in 4k), or it won't be smooth. Playable yes, but not smooth.

Or you spend the money for a G-Sync monitor, have no problems there, and have a Monitor that will serve you well for 5-10 years, or untill it breaks.

 

My Opinion: If you have the Money for a GTX 2080 with early adopter prices, you also have the Money for a decent Gaming Monitor without compromises for your Gaming experience.

The Monitor will last you much longer, than even a GTX 2080 ti could/would --> Longer use time.

 

 

Edit: Well, 2080 is similar to 1080 ti.

Just see how much fps the 2080 / 1080 ti in Games can do - keep in Mind, most test in useless Ultra settings. so imagine a few more fps there, when you go on High, to get your desired fps.

Thanks to the divine godsent called G-Sync, your games will run smooth if you hit 60 fps, they will run smooth if you only get 50 fps, and even <40 fps it will run smooth. Smooth as so low fps could be of course, but it will NOT stutter or tear.

Need more fps? Reduce settings, that's what they are built in for :P

 

If you talk about maxed out ultra settings, not even the 2080 ti will hit 60 in all games in all situations.

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44 minutes ago, atomicus said:

 

The reason I ask is that I already have 4K G-Sync monitor... the 32" XB321HK, which I've had for a while. It's a great monitor, I love it, and it cost me less than that one you've linked.

Then just buy a 1080ti since it has about the same performance as the 2080 but costs less

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3 hours ago, Streetguru said:

Then just buy a 1080ti since it has about the same performance as the 2080 but costs less

 

Today, I don't think that's necessarily a bad decision depending on what games you play, but looking ahead DLSS could see the 2080 take a significant lead in those games that support it. I know this is uncertain yet, and there is an element of buying on hope here, but at the end of the day the 1080Ti isn't going to get any better... the 2080 is, just on driver maturation alone. NVLink scaling also would appear to be far better than traditional SLI, should that be something people are considering down the line. DLSS holds great potential, and it's more reason to be excited about these cards than ray tracing. In a few months time, there is a chance we see a lot of people with buyer's remorse who have gone out and bought a full price 1080Ti in recent days, angered by the 2080 pricing. I would argue that if you already have a 1080Ti, keep it... but if you're in the market for a NEW card that you intend to keep for a long time, the 2080 might just make more sense, depending on your use case, resolution and games that you play today and intend to play in the future.

 

Regardless, this is another discussion altogether and not what I was seeking information on. I merely wanted to know if anyone who has already bought a 2080 is using it with a 4K G-Sync monitor.

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1 hour ago, atomicus said:

 

It would just be smoother like normal G-sync, but is generally not worth it.

DLSS is likely to only end up in a handful of games.

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5 hours ago, Streetguru said:

It would just be smoother like normal G-sync, but is generally not worth it.

DLSS is likely to only end up in a handful of games.

 

What's generally not worth it? DLSS? We don't know yet, and there's more than a handful of games that have been announced already that will be supporting it. And how good it ends up being will determine how many more there might be... we obviously can't say how effective it will be at this stage, but it does hold a lot of potential.

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2 minutes ago, atomicus said:

 

What's generally not worth it? DLSS? We don't know yet, and there's more than a handful of games that have been announced already that will be supporting it. And how good it ends up being will determine how many more there might be... we obviously can't say how effective it will be at this stage, but it does hold a lot of potential.

G-sync isn't worth it

 

DLSS doesn't exist yet, pretty sure it requires nvidia to do work server side to get everything sort of pre-calculated for it to work? That's why it's likely to only end up in a few AAA games.

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12 minutes ago, Streetguru said:

G-sync isn't worth it

 

DLSS doesn't exist yet, pretty sure it requires nvidia to do work server side to get everything sort of pre-calculated for it to work? That's why it's likely to only end up in a few AAA games.

 

I can't speak to your experience with it, but to my eyes, in the low FPS dips it's definitely noticeable when it's not there. Last few monitors I've had have been G-Sync, but when I've played on other monitors that aren't, I notice it. It's not an ever present thing, but it's there. As to whether it's worth it, that really depends on the user and what games they play, and how sensitive they are to these things. All I can say is that I notice and miss it when it's not there. Besides, I have a G-Sync monitor at present anyway. G-Sync tax sucks though and I'd be quite happy if Freesync took over, or they merged somehow.

 

The success of DLSS is certainly dependent on developer support, but the initial take-up already looks strong and many devs have been talking the technology up, recognising its potential. The biggest challenge moving forwards, as with any new bleeding edge tech, is that it only benefits an initially small sector of the market. The potential benefits for gaming are clearly evident though. Yes it does require pre-calculation, but that doesn't mean it's only going to end up in a few titles... especially if it REALLY works! It's a win win for everyone, so the incentive is there across the board.

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7 hours ago, atomicus said:

 

Today, I don't think that's necessarily a bad decision depending on what games you play, but looking ahead DLSS could see the 2080 take a significant lead in those games that support it. I know this is uncertain yet, and there is an element of buying on hope here, but at the end of the day the 1080Ti isn't going to get any better... the 2080 is, just on driver maturation alone. NVLink scaling also would appear to be far better than traditional SLI, should that be something people are considering down the line. DLSS holds great potential, and it's more reason to be excited about these cards than ray tracing. In a few months time, there is a chance we see a lot of people with buyer's remorse who have gone out and bought a full price 1080Ti in recent days, angered by the 2080 pricing. I would argue that if you already have a 1080Ti, keep it... but if you're in the market for a NEW card that you intend to keep for a long time, the 2080 might just make more sense, depending on your use case, resolution and games that you play today and intend to play in the future.

 

Regardless, this is another discussion altogether and not what I was seeking information on. I merely wanted to know if anyone who has already bought a 2080 is using it with a 4K G-Sync monitor.

i dont even think the 2080 will have enough juice to raytrace at 1080p tbh, even if u bruteforce it with DLSS it's gonna be limited, if the 2080 ti is out of your range, just go with the 1080 ti. I personally expect next gen raytracing to be MUCH better, this gen has all the makings of a beta testing. I only plan on using the 2080 ti for 3 years max

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7 minutes ago, xg32 said:

i dont even think the 2080 will have enough juice to raytrace at 1080p tbh, even if u bruteforce it with DLSS it's gonna be limited, if the 2080 ti is out of your range, just go with the 1080 ti. I personally expect next gen raytracing to be MUCH better, this gen has all the makings of a beta testing.

 

No I don't think it will... I am not particularly excited about ray tracing, but who knows. This tech is so new, and devs have had no time to get their teeth sunk in to it. But I won't hold my breath. I think the best we'll get this generation is some semi-integration of ray traced elements in scenes with DLSS helping massively. DLSS alone is worth getitng more excited about.

 

I don't really see the logic of buying a new 1080Ti now though. There's zero future proofing and while it's a great card, it's not getting any better. If I already had one, I'd be keeping it, but if I were getting a new card the 2080 would be the obvious choice if I couldn't afford a 2080Ti. It's got room to grow and as drivers mature, nevermind DLSS potential, there's NO question that the difference between the 2080 and 1080Ti is only going in one direction.

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8 minutes ago, atomicus said:

 

No I don't think it will... I am not particularly excited about ray tracing, but who knows. This tech is so new, and devs have had no time to get their teeth sunk in to it. But I won't hold my breath. I think the best we'll get this generation is some semi-integration of ray traced elements in scenes with DLSS helping massively. DLSS alone is worth getitng more excited about.

 

I don't really see the logic of buying a new 1080Ti now though. There's zero future proofing and while it's a great card, it's not getting any better. If I already had one, I'd be keeping it, but if I were getting a new card the 2080 would be the obvious choice if I couldn't afford a 2080Ti. It's got room to grow and as drivers mature, nevermind DLSS potential, there's NO question that the difference between the 2080 and 1080Ti is only going in one direction.

if you are buying it for DLSS and is willing to pay a premium then it's decent, but i think the card already does 4k 60hz, DLSS renders at a lower res then upscales it, it does not make 4k 60 look better in your case, it'll be useful in combination with ray tracing though.

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17 minutes ago, atomicus said:

 

On a 60hz display you can just use Fast-Sync instead of G-sync to get rid of screen tearing.

Nvidia usually pays devs to implement their gameworks/RTX features.

 

Only a very small part of the market is going to have RTX, much like with SLI it's not worth the dev's time to implement it in most cases.

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1 minute ago, xg32 said:

if you are buying it for DLSS and is willing to pay a premium then it's decent, but i think the card already does 4k 60hz, DLSS renders at a lower res then upscales it, it does not make 4k 60 look better in your case, it'll be useful in combination with ray tracing though.

 

Yes, but also in titles where the 2080 could struggle slightly at 4K (and it will on occassion), DLSS could help get the frame rate up. And as you say, in ray tracing I think it's going to be vital, but we'll be waiting a while to find out on that front.

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16 minutes ago, Streetguru said:

On a 60hz display you can just use Fast-Sync instead of G-sync to get rid of screen tearing.

Nvidia usually pays devs to implement their gameworks/RTX features.

 

Only a very small part of the market is going to have RTX, much like with SLI it's not worth the dev's time to implement it in most cases.

 

As I say, it will entirely depend on how good it is and also the consumer/market reaction. There will be a significant number of gamers with RTX cards... when Pascal stock dries up and becomes EOL, which it will in the coming months, the 2080 and 2070 will become more dominant, especially if the prices are dropped. There are already 25 games due for DLSS support, and if it works well and boosts sales of both those games and RTX GPUs, then you can bet other devs are going to be jumping on that bandwagon. This is NOT gameworks, hairworks or anything that simply offers cosmetic improvements or enhancements at the expense of performance. DLSS is specifically designed to boost frame rates and make games look better and run faster (although as previously stated, at native 4K it won't necessarily look better, it will just run faster). It's unprecedented tech and has huge potential.

 

And SLI is possibly making a comeback with NVLink... already benchmarks with the RTX cards show impressive scaling with it, more so than SLI anyway. Time will tell on that one also.

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17 minutes ago, atomicus said:

DLSS is specifically designed to boost frame rates and make games look better and run faster (although as previously stated, at native 4K it won't necessarily look better, it will just run faster). It's unprecedented tech and has huge potential.

It's just like cheaper AA basically, True Super Sampling would look better, but DLSS is probably good enough.

SLI still needs to be implemented on a game by game basis

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