Ryzen 1800X, 2600 or 2700?

[maartendc]

Hello guys,

 

I am going to be upgrading my CPU + Mobo pretty soon with the arrival of Battlefield V and my current CPU, the i5 6600, just not cutting it in terms of frametimes and smooth gaming performance.

 

I will also use this PC for CAD and rendering work in the future.

 

The rest of the system will be:

- Silverstone 450 Watt ITX PSU Gold rated

- GTX 980 Ti

- Patriot DDR4 2400 Mhz 16 GB (2x8GB)

- Be quiet Shadow Rock LP 130W TDP cooler.

 

• The 2600 is on sale for $169.
• Microcenter near me has the 1800X on sale right now for $199.
• Or is it worth going for the 2700 at $259?

 

I would likely pair it with a ASRock Fatal1ty B450 Gaming-ITX/ac AM4 motherboard, and attempt some overclocking. 

 

Which one should I go for? I know the 2600 supports some newer features, but the 1800X has 2 more cores, 4 more threads (beneficial in CAD/rendering), and comes with a higher clock out of the box. Is there any reason to go for the 2600 at that point? It somehow feels "wrong" to go with an older CPU like the 1800X, especially with Zen2 around the corner, so what about the 2700? Is it worth $60 premium over the 1800X? The 1800X is actually 5% faster at stock, but I can overclock the 2700 to beat it probably.

 

I am a little concerned about my 2400 Mhz RAM as well. How much is this going to be holding back my Ryzen performance, and OC-ability? I really don't want to have to replace this, as faster 3000 Mhz and higher RAM is still pretty expensive.

 

Thanks!

[Firewrath9]

the 1800x requires a cooler.

i would get the 2600 as it is colder for ITX builds.

the 1800x prob has the best value.

[Jurrunio]

1800x is better imo, but with the 8 core overclocked, you should leave the graphics card alone. The system full load power draw is getting near that 450w limit (1800x 1.42V 150W, 980ti stock 250w = 400w)

[Brooksie359]

The 2600 will have lower latency and better ram compatibility both of which will increase smooth gameplay by a good bit. The stock clocks don't really matter when you plan on overclocking. The only cpus that don't really benefit from the overclock is the 2600x and 2700x. 

 

Faster ram helps but isn't necessary. I had my 1700 with 2400 mhz memory near the beginning and it still did gaming just fine. That being said it wasn't as smooth as when the better bios allowed 3000. 

[maartendc]

14 hours ago, Jurrunio said:

1800x is better imo, but with the 8 core overclocked, you should leave the graphics card alone. The system full load power draw is getting near that 450w limit (1800x 1.42V 150W, 980ti stock 250w = 400w)

Thanks that is a good point. My gtx 980ti is plenty fast, so no need to OC it just yet. I might go for a 600 watt psu soon anyway.

13 hours ago, Brooksie359 said:

The 2600 will have lower latency and better ram compatibility both of which will increase smooth gameplay by a good bit. The stock clocks don't really matter when you plan on overclocking. The only cpus that don't really benefit from the overclock is the 2600x and 2700x. 

Really? What do you mean exactly by low latency? Better frametimes? My avg fps doesnt concern me (60hz monitor), it is frametimes and smoothness i need!

13 hours ago, Brooksie359 said:

Faster ram helps but isn't necessary. I had my 1700 with 2400 mhz memory near the beginning and it still did gaming just fine. That being said it wasn't as smooth as when the better bios allowed 3000. 

Interesting, so you saw a noticeable.difference in gaming? Or just when benchmarking? I thought the difference was only to the tune of 5% or so?

 

BIG QUESTION: would the 1800X offer better frametimes than the 2600?? Or would the 2600, because it has more boost features etc.?

 

Thanks guys!

[Jurrunio]

2 hours ago, maartendc said:

would the 1800X offer better frametimes than the 2600?? Or would the 2600, because it has more boost features etc.?

1800x is going to be slower than the 2600 in most games. Good trade for the increase in workstation performance though.

 

oh an btw, what cad software do you use? Both Autocad and Solidworks prefer Intel's stronger single thread performance and architecture, so bad news for Ryzen. They still work fine, just slower than Intel stuff.

[Brooksie359]

7 hours ago, maartendc said:

Thanks that is a good point. My gtx 980ti is plenty fast, so no need to OC it just yet. I might go for a 600 watt psu soon anyway.

Really? What do you mean exactly by low latency? Better frametimes? My avg fps doesnt concern me (60hz monitor), it is frametimes and smoothness i need!

Interesting, so you saw a noticeable.difference in gaming? Or just when benchmarking? I thought the difference was only to the tune of 5% or so?

 

BIG QUESTION: would the 1800X offer better frametimes than the 2600?? Or would the 2600, because it has more boost features etc.?

 

Thanks guys!

I had less fps dips with the high frequency ram but it was still just fine with gaming on the lower ram frequency. Now if you want good dram times just limit it to 60 fps and you should be fine. 

[xg32]

2600 if you wanna save money and be faster in games, 2700 if you need the extra cores over the 2600 (u get a cooler and 200mhz more with the 2700 over the 1800x), forget the 1800x. Maybe it's just me but the 1800x seems like the worst deal here by far, especially if you have to get a cooler for it.

 

 

[maartendc]

23 hours ago, xg32 said:

2600 if you wanna save money and be faster in games, 2700 if you need the extra cores over the 2600 (u get a cooler and 200mhz more with the 2700 over the 1800x), forget the 1800x. Maybe it's just me but the 1800x seems like the worst deal here by far, especially if you have to get a cooler for it.

 

 

Interesting. I guess it will be between the 2600 and 2700 then, probably going to get the 2700 for the 8 cores in that case. 1800x seems like a good deal for the workstation performance over the 2600, but worse for games then? I've already got a cooler, so thats not a big deal to me.

23 hours ago, Brooksie359 said:

I had less fps dips with the high frequency ram but it was still just fine with gaming on the lower ram frequency. Now if you want good dram times just limit it to 60 fps and you should be fine. 

Good to know, thanks!

On 9/8/2018 at 10:55 AM, Jurrunio said:

1800x is going to be slower than the 2600 in most games. Good trade for the increase in workstation performance though.

 

oh an btw, what cad software do you use? Both Autocad and Solidworks prefer Intel's stronger single thread performance and architecture, so bad news for Ryzen. They still work fine, just slower than Intel stuff.

Yeah thats what it seems like, gaming verus workstation. Thanks for the info!

 

I use Revit, AutoCAD, SketchUP and V-ray for rendering. Not sure about the CAD, but I think for rendering the more threads the better in general.

[Jurrunio]

32 minutes ago, maartendc said:

Yeah thats what it seems like, gaming verus workstation. Thanks for the info!

 

I use Revit, AutoCAD, SketchUP and V-ray for rendering. Not sure about the CAD, but I think for rendering the more threads the better in general.

In fact rendering time vs editing performance is what bugs me when I'm thinking about a new laptop. Sure Intel stuff renders slower, but then I can click the render button and go take a bath or other things, so render time doesnt affect my experience that much.

[Brooksie359]

1 hour ago, maartendc said:

Interesting. I guess it will be between the 2600 and 2700 then, probably going to get the 2700 for the 8 cores in that case. 1800x seems like a good deal for the workstation performance over the 2600, but worse for games then? I've already got a cooler, so thats not a big deal to me.

Good to know, thanks!

Yeah thats what it seems like, gaming verus workstation. Thanks for the info!

 

I use Revit, AutoCAD, SketchUP and V-ray for rendering. Not sure about the CAD, but I think for rendering the more threads the better in general.

Honestly I use debit at work all the time with an 4th gen i5 which is doesn't even it 4 ghz. It runs just fine so I would assume you should be fine there. The one thing that becomes an issue is when you run out of ram. This doesn't happen often when you are working on regular sized models with 16gb of ram but if it's a model of a multi story airport then it starts to get quite slow.