Pre-mixed Coolant, SDS & an old thread

[Grifterguru]

I am looking at coolants and wondering if Mayhems are still the better product where clear colour coolants are concerned?

I'll admit, here and now,, I am not a fan of solid colour (pastel?) liquids as I prefer the cleaner look of clear liquid. That does not mean I do not appreciate the look they can achieve in a specific build.

If I could find a colour that matched unused 20w50 engine oil (that golden yellow/brown hue), I would be more than happy to buy three times what I need to have some for future builds, depending on shelf life of course. However, as I have not yet found any, I was looking at the clear red and this raised a question.

By using what I can only describe as a "tinted" coolant, will it eventually dye the inside of PETG tubing and acrylic reservoirs if used long term? Talking over a period of at least 5 years (yes I know to drain, clean, inspect et-al every 9-12 months).

And what of the SDS provided by Mayhems? Does it contain all the relevant info on the contents of the coolant in relation to the HazChem?


Also, I wanted to say how pleasant and respectful I found the exchanges to be on the topic started by member "For Science!" (thread located here for anyone interested). I found the topic whilst looking for information on SDS.

It made a pleasant change to see and read a topic that could easily have taken a different path, have such a respectful and informative outcome without any snideness or attitudal posturing. A gentlemanly discussion is what I would term it as being.
 

[W-L]

2 minutes ago, Grifterguru said:

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Mayhems has been in the business a long time and makes good stuff for transparent coolant their X1 lineup would be suitable, others such as EKWB are also really good with their Cryofuel line. 

 

As for something that has a dark golden yellow, you will probably need to get some dyes to get the correct shading that your looking for. 

Auqacomputer's Ultraprotect is probably the closest you'll get out of the bottle, just note their fluid is ethylene glycol based so PETG wouldn't be best for it. 

https://shop.aquacomputer.de/product_info.php?language=en&products_id=2464

[Grifterguru]

PETG is exactly why I was looking at Mayhems, plus, their reputation preceeds them. I have only ever heard good things about their products.

Not heard much on/about Cryofuel?

[W-L]

1 minute ago, Grifterguru said:

PETG is exactly why I was looking at Mayhems, plus, their reputation preceeds them. I have only ever heard good things about their products.

Not heard much on/about Cryofuel?

EKWB used to use Mayhem's X1 products and branched off presumably by themselves with their own formula and lineup they call Cryofuel. From what I've seen over the couple of years now it's pretty good, excellent for their all aluminum based loops (fluid gaming), I know For science really likes the Cryofuel line. 

[Grifterguru]

Just now, W-L said:

EKWB used to use Mayhem's X1 products and branched off presumably by themselves with their own formula and lineup they call Cryofuel. From what I've seen over the couple of years now it's pretty good, excellent for their all aluminium based loops (fluid gaming), I know For science really likes the Cryofuel line. 

 

Interesting.... Did not know that.

Was just about to look into dyes as you mentioned it as a possible way to achieve that golden yellow/brown I seek. Is there anything (other than dyes potentially breaking down over time) I should be aware of or look out for?

[W-L]

3 minutes ago, Grifterguru said:

 

Interesting.... Did not know that.

Was just about to look into dyes as you mentioned it as a possible way to achieve that golden yellow/brown I seek. Is there anything (other than dyes potentially breaking down over time) I should be aware of or look out for?

Most cases with dyes you'll see is staining, any coloring will have some to a minor degree, especially of stuff like soft tubing. Using PETG or acrylic does help to limit the amount of that, and as for dyes themselves mayhems stuff is pretty much the go to standard for dyes. 

[Grifterguru]

Thanks for the info and for the time you have taken to respond. Much appreciated.

I now have a fair idea of what I will be doing and where I will be shopping

Just curious about the SDS now.

I think I can consider this closed "Solved" now...... If only I knew how to set it as such.

[W-L]

1 minute ago, Grifterguru said:

Thanks for the info and for the time you have taken to respond. Much appreciated.
I now have a fair idea of what I will be doing and where I will be shopping
Just curious about the SDS now.
I think I can consider this closed "Solved" now...... If only I knew how to set it as such.

@For Science! knows best about that, from what I recall they don't state the components of the fluid that are below the minimum requirements as per regulation. So there is some special sauce for the anti-corrosives and biocides in the fluid but not stated. 

[For Science!]

11 hours ago, Grifterguru said:

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Thanks for the kind remarks, and I am very happy that another user takes this more seriously than the average watercooler. The last time I checked Mayhems had not updated any of their SDS's and so there is nothign more to be had than the previous thread. I think it'll really take more than just myself yabbing on a forum about how this is important when most people are happy to buy blindly :(.

[Grifterguru]

You are most welcome @For Science!

I like to be well informed on things where chemicals are involved for a number of reasons, most importantly for handling, use and future safe disposal.  Consideration of toxicity and potential unintentional poisoning issues should a leak occur within a cooling loop also, to me, are a factor.

Spillage is inevitable at some point, even if unintentional (leak within a loop, or when filling/draining a loop) and knowing how to handle the coolant safely and correctly, as well as how to clean up properly is just as important where HazChem is/are involved.

One other point I am looking at is this. Which of the two coolants out of Mayhems and CryoFuel are the safer when it comes to component damage (Stripping plating et-al). I know a lot is based on quality of product (fittings) but the interaction between those fittings and the coolant is also an issue.

I had, almost, settled on Mayhems but I am still trying to decipher the safer of the two products.

[For Science!]

1 hour ago, Grifterguru said:

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All I can say is that Mayhems has appeared to not update any of their SDS's and therefore appear "safer" since their X1 series are just 40 % glyercol and 59 % water. Whereas at least CryoFuel mentions three active components, two which are associated with anti-corrosion.

 

Basically we can only go with "no information" vs "some information" and anything beyond that is anecdotal evidence (i.e. "I used it and didn't have problems with it"). And so as a matter of principle, I would say that 40 % glycerol is not a good coolant and therefore CryoFuel that is documented to be in part anticorrosive and part biocide, is a much better choice.

 

This is similar to how no sane person would buy a computer that has a "fast processor" in it. You'd want to at least know its "6-core processer" and hopefully that its a "8700K" or "8700" or "1600X". This is in my opinion the difference of just saying "we include biocide" and spelling out what that biocide is. 

 

This is why I can only CryoFuel objectively at the moment, since I haven't tried any other coolants and so have no anecdotal evidence (and I have my opinions about anecdotal evidence) to share, and that pretty much only CryoFuel has spelled out ingredients that at least in part account for any biocidal and anticorrosive activity.