This i9 rig is killing me

[EMMST]

Trying to get this new rig working properly and I'm pulling my hair out at this point. Building a DAW/gaming rig. The primary use of this rig is to run Ableton Live 10, Pro Tools, Studio One and some other music related stuff, along with some casual gaming. Most of my work is done within Ableton and that is my biggest concern. 

 

I am having an issue getting Ableton to run. Throws a generic crash dialog with no code. "A Serious Error has Occurred..."

 

Here is what I have done so far and I'm baffled. 

 

-4 reinstalls of Windows 8.1 (one via DVD, three via USB)

-Way too many reinstalls of Ableton and Microsoft .Net Framework

-Update Windows

-Update BIOS

-Replace MOBO and update BIOS

-Replace CPU

-Swapped in the System Drive SSD (SATA) from my currently functional AMD rig (booted up fine but threw the same error)

-Try each stick of memory, individually, in different channels.

-Different GPU

-Cry a lot

 

Specs:

ASUS Prime Deluxe X299

7900x

Thermaltake 360mm AIO with fans in push-pull

32GB (4x8GB) Ballistix Sport 2666

Rosewill Xtreme 80plus Bronze 750w (had a brand new one laying around, old but unused)

Nvidia 1060 (also tried an old R7 360)

Samsung 870 Evo 500GB M.2 NVME (system drive)

WD Blue M.2 SSD 1TB (having an issue now with this drive not being seen, even in the bios and disk manager)

 

 

WTF am I missing here? This setup should be totally overkill for Ableton.

[userzero]

There is quite a lot of info on the Ableton forums.. have you tried posting?

[EMMST]

That's next on my list... 

[userzero]

If the PC is fine apart from this software, you just narrowed it down.. 

[Jurrunio]

Windows 8? Why?

[Zando_]

1 minute ago, Jurrunio said:

Windows 8? Why?

^^^ tried windows 10? May help to test it at least. 

[userzero]

8.1 is significantly different to 8.0 actually. But yes, do yourself a huuuuge favour and get yourself onto Win10. It makes things so so much easier.

[Taf the Ghost]

11 minutes ago, EMMST said:

That's next on my list... 

Have you tried disabling Cores? We've seen issues with programs going nuts when tossed too many threads.

[SolarNova]

1 minute ago, userzero said:

8.1 is significantly different to 8.0 actually. But yes, do yourself a huuuuge favour and get yourself onto Win10. It makes things so so much easier.

Or better yet, get windows 7

[porina]

Just now, Taf the Ghost said:

Have you tried disabling Cores? We've seen issues with programs going nuts when tossed too many threads.

If this turns out to be the case, it would probably be better to turn off HT than to disable cores.

 

No other suggestions, other than if you can run stress tests and not have problems, it is probably not hardware but software related.

[userzero]

1 minute ago, SolarNova said:

Or better yet, get windows 7

Yeah I like 7 too. An old love but when you install and change so many OS's, you quickly realise how outdated it is.

[Taf the Ghost]

As a general note with DAWs, as people pop up asking for help, but it seems they generally hate the HEDT platforms. I have a suspicion the mentioning of .Net has a lot to do with it, but, unless you have clear benchmarks showing its utility, the top end of the Mainstream platforms normally works better. Right until you need those extra PCIe lanes.

[Nocte]

5 minutes ago, SolarNova said:

Or better yet, get windows 7

How is it better apart from nostalgia?

[userzero]

No idea what you just said. 

[EMMST]

So, unfortunately the Ableton forums don't allow troubleshooting questions in the forum. Stupid. But I opened a support ticket anyway. It should be noted that this isn't a problem exclusive to Ableton. Anything that runs on the .net framework has an issue.

[EMMST]

Tried turning off HT and disabling all but 1 and then all but 4 core. No dice. 

[EMMST]

Just an update, installed Studio One and it loads up fine! So it looks like the issue may indeed be with Ableton, contrary to my earlier thought. 

 

I'm gonna mess with drivers and if that doesn't work I will try a new OS.

[userzero]

Yes there are many many things that use the .net framework, it was always very unlikely to be anything other than the software in question. Best of luck.

[EMMST]

Silly me, it was the OS. Installed Windows 10 and it works. Strange though, considering I have 8.1 on a different rig and everything is working fine with that.