*UPDATED 9/5/2018* Tom's Hardware's Editor in Chief's Controversial RTX Article

[mr moose]

1 hour ago, Peskanova said:

So we have good post-pro but bad graphics?

The eyeball itself is actually quite shitty, but the brain takes a whole lot of shitty information and assembles a perfect image.

 

If you want your mind blown google for some visual processing disorders.  One seminar I watched, the patient could not pick up a pencil because the brain could not process vertical information.  She could move it if it was horizontal to the eye but not vertical.   Glad I don't have those problems.

[D13H4RD]

Ah, the good old method of silencing criticism to do damage control. 

 

The forums are probably going to lose a number of their best and most helpful members at this rate. 

[kting15]

4 hours ago, D13H4RD2L1V3 said:

Ah, the good old method of silencing criticism to do damage control. 

Sounds like Communist Russia

[mark_cameron]

12 hours ago, ZacoAttaco said:

They're handling this awfully.

 

All jokes aside, I hope they can turn it around.

It's a good forum and it's been a helpful in the past for research when troubleshooting so I hope it sticks around.

It's what happens when technology review organisations/individuals appear to give up their independence and/or receive quid pro quo.

 

Forums/organisations like LTT, GamersNexus so on essentially commit suicide if they give up the number one priority:

 

Consumer audience

 

Who watch them and listen to them because they trust them.

 

It's why Linus went to such lengths to state how he's not ever going to give up independence. Plus how LMG makes revenues.

 

Even a hint of impropriety causes a disaster to reviewers.

 

 

 

 

[mark_cameron]

On 29/08/2018 at 8:00 PM, Igor Wallossek said:

Yes. To Future plc, a UK company. They are visiting NY this week to complete the overtake. Panic mode now, nothing else

 

I licensed the German site in May, because they planned to close it completely. And they gave me only a naked MongoDB data dump without any doumentation of the structure, no shortcodes, simply nothing. And less than 3 weeks to migrate to an own server.  No user data, no forum. We restored all and were online. Their system is a pure mess and it was a horrible work - but done. Now we have the better system, a better forum and it seems also the better content.

Reading it it seems they were partly buying the platform and partly to expand in the U.S. 

 

Given the aggressive expansion strategy Future are adopting

 

Either that tool of an editor has been told to be controversial and generate a splash. To drive audience

 

Or Future are going to come in and quickly remove. Given damage to key audience they purchased.

 

It was a stupid article and the fact no one could initially tell if it was opinion or review says it all. Very poorly thought out. From the editor as well.

[leadeater]

2 hours ago, mark_cameron said:

It was a stupid article and the fact no one could initially tell if it was opinion or review says it all. Very poorly thought out. From the editor as well.

I'm not so sure it's just a case of people not being able to tell but rather being dismayed that a reviewer would have that opinion at all and advise people to buy a product before reviews, their actual business they are in. More a credibility issue which is something that is assessed all the time with all actions and so much easier to lose than gain.

[mr moose]

15 minutes ago, leadeater said:

I'm not so sure it's just a case of people not being able to tell but rather being dismayed that a reviewer would have that opinion at all and advise people to buy a product before reviews, their actual business they are in. More a credibility issue which is something that is assessed all the time with all actions and so much easier to lose than gain.

yep, two very different reasons to be disillusioned with Toms, one was the confusion over the type of article and the other was the severity of the article opinion or not.

[mark_cameron]

20 hours ago, leadeater said:

I'm not so sure it's just a case of people not being able to tell but rather being dismayed that a reviewer would have that opinion at all and advise people to buy a product before reviews, their actual business they are in. More a credibility issue which is something that is assessed all the time with all actions and so much easier to lose than gain.

Aye. common sense. To allow independent testing first.

 

It smells of impropriety.

[Igor Wallossek]

So let's see, what will happen next week. I think, they will cancel my license contract or something similar and stupid in worst case. But I have no interest to damage my own business with this shit. Better to play the Raider = Twix game

[Godlygamer23]

On 8/25/2018 at 4:24 AM, leadeater said:

The more GPUs you buy the more money you save

I just bought 10 1080 Ti's. Look at all the money I saved. You saved me a lifetime of debt. Thank you.

[Spotty]

8 minutes ago, Igor Wallossek said:

So let's see, what will happen next week. I think, they will cancel my license contract or something similar and stupid in worst case. But I have no interest to damage my own business with this shit. Better to play the Raider = Twix game

I'm looking forward to reading reviews from IgorsHardware.com

[Igor Wallossek]

I have two contracts, a license contract for the brand name (and .de domain) in all German speaking areas, And a content contract. This was one of the contitions from Purch for the license, to have continued access to my CPU and VGA stuff. But Avram never moved anything over. I served them all this things on a silver platter, but no chance against all this Lego, laptop and Just-buy-it things. The Avangers are simply stronger than AMD, it's a fact

 

Compare our very different thinking about testing or reviewing by yourself:

 

Avram:

I've Tested Hundreds of Laptops. Here's Why I Bought a ThinkPad X1 Carbon

 

Igor:

PNY PrevailPro P4000 Laptop Review: Quadro Workstation Power, Consumer Chassis

 

He is really testing? Or only unboxing? One of my friends has tested on the same way (and more in-depth) thousands (!) of laptops, because he is working as QM and Dev in a big OEM/ODM factory. But don't call this unboxing things and Buy It! arcticles a review.

 

 

[kting15]

28 minutes ago, Igor Wallossek said:

Avram:

I've Tested Hundreds of Laptops. Here's Why I Bought a ThinkPad X1 Carbon

 

Igor:

PNY PrevailPro P4000 Laptop Review: Quadro Workstation Power, Consumer Chassis

 

Just based on the differences in titles, your site already seems more legitimate. His just sounds like clickbait and yours sounds like its objective and I'll be able to get good information from it.

[Igor Wallossek]

So let's wait, what will happen in the next days (or not).

 

(A) If they decide to return to real reviews and quality content, it's good and nice. They can take my stuff and we can do all as usual.

(B) If they continue this style and cancel my contract, I will use plan B to publish all under an own brand in both languages

 

Currently I can't publish in English (due this contract), but with an own brand I can (and will). So it makes at the end for me no difference. The brand TH is in Germany replaceble, because I'm more popular. I saw this after the restart on our own server with an own CMS, self-made framework and a better forum. This all was a private investment, but works awesome. The readers are quoting my name, not TH.

 

My ad partners are mostly German companies or branch offices of global so far and they only have a look at the reach and the person behind the publication. So for me it is at the end the same as before. With an own English page I can earn even more.

 

But for all VGA stuff (but not only)  the complete international sampling was running over me. I wish them in US a good weather and a nice day, because nearly all contacts to the industry are very close and more or less private. For me it makes again no difference, because I will not lose it.

 

@kting15

When I review something, I make a complete tear down, PCB analysis, component analysis, craftmanship, power consumption measuring, thermal with IR cam and noise in my chamber. Plus all the needed benchmarks. But to do this, the reviewer must also understand the production process, PCB development and a lot more. I came from the industry, this guy not.. And to be honest: I have no idea what him qualified to review notebooks.

[Stefan Payne]

4 hours ago, Igor Wallossek said:

@kting15

When I review something, I make a complete tear down, PCB analysis, component analysis, craftmanship, power consumption measuring, thermal with IR cam and noise in my chamber. Plus all the needed benchmarks. But to do this, the reviewer must also understand the production process, PCB development and a lot more. I came from the industry, this guy not.. And to be honest: I have no idea what him qualified to review notebooks.

Do you take a look a the fans and bearing of the fans? Or at least the Amperage of the Fan.

That info seems to be pretty rare.

[-rascal-]

I guess a final update.

 

Found of Tom's Hardware, as in *THE* Thomas Pabst responded to Gamer's Nexus' video.

He, too, is just a confused as 'Tech Jesus'

Quote

...Yes, this is madness, and good old Tom is scratching his head no less than you are, Steve!...

 

Also, potential come back collaboration with Igor?

@Igor Wallossek

Quote

... I’m not in control of Tom’s Hardware anymore, but Igor and I are currently contemplating some kind of come back...

 

Source (Tom's personal response to Gamer's Nexus): https://www.facebook.com/GamersNexus/posts/10155799307847825

Source (Gamer's Nexus show notes): https://www.gamersnexus.net/industry/3361-hw-news-tom-pabst-responds-to-toms-hardware-pc-tariff-prices

 

 

[Type 2501]

This is how to destroy a media in a blink of a eye. Once you loss credibility, you are gone. (In my ideal world)

No one in the media industry should be able to just walk away with such BS.

 

TH used to be the go-to site for me… *sigh*

[Euphoria]

[Second Update]

 

I posted a direct reply to a TomsHW forum mod that had directly posted @myusername explaining why he thinks I should stay and not delete my account and data.
So I took the time to explain my reasoning behind it and how I felt, I thought I'd done a good job, I wasn't rude or argumentative at all, this was the post:

 

Spoiler

[I am not trying to highjack someone's thread, not at all, as a mod has posted and addressed me directly I am merely replying to them.]
P.S. Sorry for the essay. 

 

Hi Ralston18,

I do understand what you mean regarding trying to help by staying and lending a hand to fix the issue/s, in many cases I would totally agree as we all make mistakes, I have made many just in this one thread and few posts, but I see little that anyone can do when the editor-in-chief himself puts out an article like that and sees fit to stand by it, seemingly refusing to listen to other points of view and then either he (Avram Piltch) or other management within TomsHW decided to start silencing people including their own employees. That to me stinks of management that won't admit fault, won't listen to people around them including their audience, wants to control everything/everyone and is willing to burn the place to the ground before admitting fault.
Maybe I'm being pessimistic but if I am it's because I've experienced this before and seen the results.

 

It may have been one mans opinion and not a representation of the collective within TomsHW, I get that, but for me and seemingly many others too that is literally our point! He can have his opinion as can we all, most of us seem to agree his opinion is ridiculous but he's entitled to it all the same - (the old phrase: opinions are like buttholes springs to mind), - that's not the issue though, the issue is that the editor-in-chief thought it a good idea to use this professional, trusted, unbias tech news/journalism site to get on a soapbox and tell everyone to do something ridiculous that pretty much everyone within the whole industry (excluding manufactures/sellers for obvious reasons) agrees that pre-ordering is utterly nonsensical and moronic, especially when it's brand new technology that we know virtually nothing about and have no data on. Yet, whether he is the type of person that throws money at his screen everytime a company announces something new and shiny or not, the fact remains that the editor-in-chief thought it a good idea to push his personal opinion on the front page like it was a normal Tom's Hardware article based on unbias research, data, benchmarks and Facts, and didn't think that might be misleading, plus either no one interjected or they did and he ignored them going ahead thinking this was acceptable and a good idea.
Add to the fact that the article reads like Nvidia themselves wrote it as a promotional advertisement. It got a lot of people thinking this wasn't just one person's opinion but actually something far more serious and nefarious, like a paid ad that wasn't disclosed or made clear, at the very least a behind closed doors quid pro quo; you post this article then completely coincidentally and unrelated, Toms Hardware might get a big Nvidia exclusive in a few weeks, *wink wink
Whether this is true or completely unfounded I don't know, but the fact that it reads like that for so many different people should be extremely troubling.

Either way, even if we go with this is just one mans opinion and there's nothing shady going on, it is very concerning that as editor-in-chief his primary thought was not; "Should I be posting my own biased opinion on here or should I post it on my own social media and/or blog where personal opinions go. - Also, I need to make it clear in the heading and/or the first line that this is Not a TomsHW article, it's merely one person's opinion and thoughts which has no representation of anyone else, therefore what I'm saying may be wrong, bias, based on nothing but gut feeling and should be taken with a pinch of salt." I'm not a journalist or editor-in-chief but this seems pretty obvious to me as something important, yet it didn't for him.

 

As I said previously the article was bad enough and unravelled a lot of trust built up over years with many people but the aftermath just dumped a bucket of gasoline onto the flames. Deleting posts and threads, banning members, banning Tom's Hardware employees; mods, staff, editors... just for speaking out and offering their own opinions on the subject. So it's OK for the editor-in-chief to sound off his own opinion but when the staff do it heads start to role, no, that is complete and utter bullcrap and everyone should be in agreement with that at least. The whole way this has been handled, the posts I've seen that haven't had any profanity, name-calling, or wild accusations, just members opinions on the article suddenly disappearing and the OP didn't remove it themselves, the fact that Avram Piltch has left the article up to continue doing damage and harming nieve consumers that might read it and take it as trusted and tested facts; yeah sure a disclaimer has been added saying it's just one mans opinion but what good is that, how many people read the small print, it should have been abundantly clear in the title from the start.

 

Sorry not sorry, this whole thing stinks and has left a foul taste in the mouths of a Lot of people, I can't speak for anyone else but I have spoken with many people, even some that throw money at companies just based on buzzwords and hype, and yet I haven't spoken with one person that didn't believe the article had some shady backroom deal attached to it and the PR handling of the situation hasn't been just a complete dumpster fire.

I'm sad that this is where I now stand, as I said previously, I've enjoyed a lot of time here and respected this company and the people within, one mistake, for the most part, shouldn't and wouldn't destroy all of that in one swoop but this wasn't one mistake, it was many and seems to be continuing.
I simply can't trust a company like that any longer.

[Edit] - to add two words

2

 

And... it was instantly deleted by the mod Mousemonkey with the message: (the same mod by the way that has deleted most of my posts recently)

"Okay, we get it you want your account deleted and I'm sure someone will get around to it at some point. No need for off topic walls of text, any more will just be deleted."
So this is Tom's Hardware now, a few mods are still cool and will try to engage in polite conversation with members, you take the time to reply and another mod comes along and says "F**k you! Everything you post, even polite helpful things I will instantly delete because we disagree about something and because I can."

 

[Edit] and he deleted all replies asking why my post and everyone else's has been deleted. Haha, he seems to be on a personal mission to delete everything that doesn't suit his narrative.

[ZacoAttaco]

7 hours ago, Euphoria said:

And... it was instantly deleted by the mod Mousemonkey with the message: (the same mod by the way that has deleted most of my posts recently)

"Okay, we get it you want your account deleted and I'm sure someone will get around to it at some point. No need for off topic walls of text, any more will just be deleted."
So this is Tom's Hardware now, a few mods are still cool and will try to engage in polite conversation with members, you take the time to reply and another mod comes along and says "F**k you! Everything you post, even polite helpful things I will instantly delete because we disagree about something and because I can."

 

[Edit] and he deleted all replies asking why my post and everyone else's has been deleted. Haha, he seems to be on a personal mission to delete everything that doesn't suit his narrative.

This is disheartening.

[Stefan Payne]

2 hours ago, ZacoAttaco said:

This is disheartening.

Yes, but to be expected in this day and age.

That you can't put a dumpster fire out by saying there is no dumpster fire and only make it worse if you censor people should be obvious.

 

If you censor people in your forum because of your mistakes, they go elsewhere and spread the word. As long as they only flame in your forum, you kinda have it contained. If you ban everyone, it spreads...