rtx RTX Cards and upscaling speculation

[andpeterson]

After watching the Nvidia Gamescom event I've had something in the back of my mind that is bugging me.

Jensen Huang kept talking about this AI that could improve visuals and would upscale images to improve the ray tracing images to make higher quality images with less computer power. If that's the case... then wouldn't it mean that this technology could be applied into upscaling images, improving the quality of movies or even bring better visuals to older games. I doubt that it could make a huge difference as low polygon counts are still low polygon counts but could this technology be used for say taking a game that's built to run on nothing higher than 1080p or heavens forbid 720p and upscale it to 4k without any strange distortions or blockiness that would come from a standard upscaling protocol.

 

Idk maybe I'm getting excited for a technology that won't exist but I hear potential for it. What do you guys think?

[porina]

My understanding was the deep learning was trained to improve/denoise the raytraced output. It isn't clear to me if this is applied to just the RT content, or the composited output.

 

"better" upscaling could be interesting. Some games support different render and display resolutions already e.g. the 3D content is done at lower resolution, with native resolution UI elements, and in that case it could help.

 

Actually, they have mentioned something like this, was it DLAA? It was sold as anti-aliasing, but same principle could apply for upscaling...

[ryao]

11 hours ago, andpeterson said:

After watching the Nvidia Gamescom event I've had something in the back of my mind that is bugging me.

Jensen Huang kept talking about this AI that could improve visuals and would upscale images to improve the ray tracing images to make higher quality images with less computer power. If that's the case... then wouldn't it mean that this technology could be applied into upscaling images, improving the quality of movies or even bring better visuals to older games. I doubt that it could make a huge difference as low polygon counts are still low polygon counts but could this technology be used for say taking a game that's built to run on nothing higher than 1080p or heavens forbid 720p and upscale it to 4k without any strange distortions or blockiness that would come from a standard upscaling protocol.

 

Idk maybe I'm getting excited for a technology that won't exist but I hear potential for it. What do you guys think?

Yes, although it would just be the machine’s “imagination” of what a more detailed image would be. Don’t try using it as a movie magic enhance function of you will be seeing made up data.

[PrinnyExplodes]

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The reality of the RTX 20 Series that releases next month is this: it's a money-grab designed to get early adopters on the ray tracing hype train for the 20 or so games that will ship with the feature. It's a stopgap to  7nm cards that should arrive in 2019 and offer substantial performance gains and power efficiency improvements. And as for the price tag, Nvidia can charge whatever it desires due to lack of competition in the high-end space.

Seriously, glance at the clock speeds for the 20 Series. Check out the unimpressive CUDA core increase over the 10 Series. Realize that the memory configuration is the same as the 10 Series (albeit with GDDR6 instead of GDDR5). Take a hard look at what the performance increase should be. Most in the tech media are putting it at maybe 10% to 15% over the 10 Series when it comes to the majority of games out there. But you'll pay 40% to 50% higher prices for this generation's replacements based on MSRP. And you know we won't be paying MSRP. . .

Ray tracing is bleeding edge right now, but do you want to spend an exorbitant amount of money to enjoy a handful of games optimized with it?

Sorry but I just copy and pasted this from forbes.

 

Scary to say AMD cards are around the corner with better nm size and everyone knows that 7nm are in the works.....it really does seem like RTX is just there to pass the time. They are probably saving their "ace" for when AMD releases new cards so they don't look as dumbfounded as intel did