Advice On Gaming PC Build

[Stormer3]

Hello Everyone.

 

I was looking for some advice on a upcoming build I'm planning.

I'm looking to maximize performance with minimal bottle-necking.

 

The parts list is attached below. 

The two M.2 Drives will be in Raid 0

The memory is Quad-Channel thats why there is 4 sticks

 

I'm trying to stay around $3000

 

[gbergeron]

How can there be a bottleneck when you select all the best parts on the market

 

Cheers bro nothing to worry about here go ahead and enjoy

[gbergeron]

One thing you could maybe change is the memory go for higher frequency, and go for 2 x 8 GB

[GoldenLag]

PCPartPicker part list: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/HRx929
Price breakdown by merchant: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/HRx929/by_merchant/

CPU: Intel - Core i7-8700K 3.7GHz 6-Core Processor  ($359.99 @ Amazon) 
CPU Cooler: be quiet! - Dark Rock 4 CPU Cooler  ($67.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Motherboard: Asus - ROG STRIX Z370-E GAMING ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($196.00 @ SuperBiiz) 
Memory: Team - Night Hawk RGB 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory  ($159.89 @ OutletPC) 
Storage: Crucial - MX500 1TB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($173.90 @ Amazon) 
Storage: Seagate - Barracuda 3TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($74.99 @ Newegg Marketplace) 
Video Card: EVGA - GeForce GTX 1080 Ti 11GB FTW3 DT GAMING Video Card  ($669.99 @ Amazon) 
Case: Corsair - Crystal 570X RGB ATX Mid Tower Case  ($159.99 @ Amazon) 
Power Supply: SeaSonic - FOCUS Plus Gold 850W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($94.99 @ Newegg) 
Monitor: Acer - Predator XB1 27.0" 2560x1440 165Hz Monitor  ($499.99 @ B&H) 
Total: $2457.72
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-08-12 15:52 EDT-0400

 

This is a lot better gaming build. 

 

Stay away from the CPU you picked. It is from the skylake X series of CPUs. They are bad value and dont game well for what they cost. 

 

Edit: tl;dr for most people: STAY AWAY FROM SKYLAKE X

 

If you want higher core counts you should run with Ryzen or Threadripper

Edited August 12, 2018 by GoldenLag

[GoldenLag]

1 minute ago, gbergeron said:

How can there be a bottleneck when you select all the best parts on the market

 

Cheers bro nothing to worry about here go ahead and enjoy

Do not encourage people to buy the Skylake X CPUs for gaming. They are awful set of CPUs, especially the lower skues. 

[Stormer3]

The reason why i picked the CPU is that the 8700k doesn't support Quad Channel memory. I don't actually need the cores. The CPU was only like $20 more. Do you think Quad Channel memory will give me more performance compared to the 8700K with Dual Channel Only. Is single core strength really just that much better on 8700K?

 

Also when it comes to choosing memory above 2666MHZ (which is what the CPU says is the standard) is there any point in choosing say 3000MHZ or above? Can it even use the extra power?

[GoldenLag]

3 minutes ago, Stormer3 said:

The reason why i picked the CPU is that the 8700k doesn't support Quad Channel memory. I don't actually need the cores. The CPU was only like $20 more. Do you think Quad Channel memory will give me more performance compared to the 8700K with Dual Channel Only. Is single core strength really just that much better on 8700K?

 

Also when it comes to choosing memory above 2666MHZ (which is what the CPU says is the standard) is there any point in choosing say 3000MHZ or above? Can it even use the extra power?

Quad channel doesnt provide more performance in gaming, in some cases it will actually be slower in gaming.

 

Skylake X series CPUs perform worse clock for clock and not to mention clock lower. The 8700k is the best gaming CPU atm. And it will continue to be for quite some time (roughly 8 months) 

 

The CPUs support higher frequencies through XMP. It will allow you to use 3000 or higher speed ram. It will boost performance by some margin, its worth the relativly small cost. 

 

The skylake X lineup is just not worth it. They are meant for workstations and even then most of the CPUs are outranked. For gaming they offer absulutely nothing except a higher price tag, more exoencive mobo and worse performance. 

[gbergeron]

18 minutes ago, GoldenLag said:

Do not encourage people to buy the Skylake X CPUs for gaming. They are awful set of CPUs, especially the lower skues. 

calm down the guy just showed his builkd which is perfectyly fine. if he wants to spend the money its his business.

 

And yeah there are other options as well probably better options

[GoldenLag]

Just now, gbergeron said:

calm down the guy just showed his builkd which is perfectyly fine.

He asked for advice. I gave him advice. And sorry im vocal about making people stay away from skylake X, but im serious. They are are a bad range of CPUs with one excpetion (which is the 7980xe). I will try my best to make people avoid spending money on a dead plattform that will give them a sour taste in their mouth once they realize what they spent their money on. 

[Spotty]

2 minutes ago, gbergeron said:

calm down the guy just showed his builkd which is perfectyly fine. if he wants to spend the money its his business.

 

And yeah there are other options as well probably better options

 

33 minutes ago, Stormer3 said:

Hello Everyone.

 

I was looking for some advice on a upcoming build I'm planning.

I'm looking to maximize performance with minimal bottle-necking.

OP came here asking for advice on the parts they have selected, so it makes sense that users are commenting and offering advice. 

 

24 minutes ago, GoldenLag said:

Stay away from the CPU you picked. It is from the skylake X series of CPUs. They are bad value and dont game well for what they cost. 

 

Edit: tl;dr for most people: STAY AWAY FROM SKYLAKE X

I think your tldr was too long ?

 

Intel fight club:

Rule #1 we do not recommend skylake X for gaming

Rule #2 we do not talk about 10nm

Rule #3 we do not recommend skylake X for gaming

[seon123]

28 minutes ago, gbergeron said:

How can there be a bottleneck when you select all the best parts on the market

Simple. A 970 Pro will be bottlenecked in games by a Titan V. LTT hast a video on bottlenecking, you should check it out. 

19 minutes ago, Stormer3 said:

The reason why i picked the CPU is that the 8700k doesn't support Quad Channel memory. I don't actually need the cores. The CPU was only like $20 more. Do you think Quad Channel memory will give me more performance compared to the 8700K with Dual Channel Only. Is single core strength really just that much better on 8700K?

Why do you want quad channel? The 8700K generally overclocks quite a bit higher than Skylake X, especially if you're a bit lucky. 

 

What will you use the PC for? Hope it's not gaming, as the build doesn't make sense at all for that usecase. 

[GoldenLag]

26 minutes ago, Spotty said:

Intel fight club:

Rule #1 we do not recommend skylake X for gaming

Rule #2 we do not talk about 10nm

Rule #3 we do not recommend skylake X for gaming

AMD fight club:

 

Rule #1 Ryzen is for productivity and mid and low budget gaming

Rule #2 talk about 7nm

Rule #3 sway people from buying skylake X (prefferably into threadripper)

Edited August 12, 2018 by GoldenLag

[Stormer3]

So I made some changes to the build based on all of the advice. By the way Thank you for taking the time to give me that advice :). 

This new build doesn't actually have 32GB of memory its about $285 for 16GB of the same memory for some reason PC Part Picker doesn't have 16GB option

 

My one concern with this build is i planned to raid 0 all 3 of the M.2 SSD's the board "Supports" it but I'm not sure if i will actually get more performance. I'm not sure if the Busses on the board can actually support 3 SSD going at 3000MB read at one time.

[GoldenLag]

6 minutes ago, Stormer3 said:

So I made some changes to the build based on all of the advice. By the way Thank you for taking the time to give me that advice :). 

This new build doesn't actually have 32GB of memory its about $285 for 16GB of the same memory for some reason PC Part Picker doesn't have 16GB option

 

My one concern with this build is i planned to raid 0 all 3 of the M.2 SSD's the board "Supports" it but I'm not sure if i will actually get more performance. I'm not sure if the Busses on the board can actually support 3 SSD going at 3000MB read at one time.

Swap the ram for 2x8GB sticks of DDR4 3200 mhz ram. The DDR4 4000mhz isnt worth it for the massive jump in price. 3200mhz is where you will get the most for your money, any more and you are pretty much wasting it.

 

I wouldnt recommend getting 3 drives in RAID0. Id grab a 1TB Crucial mx 500 and a 3TB HDD similar to what i picked in my suggestion. It is a nice balance between storage capacity and read and write speeds (though 1TB SSD can be seen as a slight overkill)

 

SSD: https://pcpartpicker.com/product/h3tQzy/crucial-mx500-1tb-25-solid-state-drive-ct1000mx500ssd1

 

HDD: https://pcpartpicker.com/product/gwBv6h/seagate-internal-hard-drive-st3000dm001

 

The increase in reads and writes for RAID0 is rarely worth the increased failure rate.

 

Ramkit: https://pcpartpicker.com/product/MYs8TW/team-night-hawk-rgb-16gb-2-x-8gb-ddr4-3200-memory-tf1d416g3200hc16cdc01

[GoldenLag]

12 minutes ago, Stormer3 said:

This new build doesn't actually have 32GB of memory its about $285 for 16GB of the same memory for some reason PC Part Picker doesn't have 16GB option

You might have clicked on a filter or something, try removing all the ramkits you had in the build. Just grab a cheap 3000/3200mhz kit of ramstick you like the look of. You dont need more than 16GB. Grab 2 8GB sticks for the possibility of a future upgrade

[GoldenLag]

Sorry if i came of as rude in the beginning. I just dont want people to waste money unknowingly

[Stormer3]

So i'm not worried about fail rate on the SSD's their actually really cheap compared to a couple years ago. Plus I don''t store anything important on my computer. All on external backups.  But i did change the memory. It was close to $100 difference. Wish i could see how much a performance difference 800MHZ actually is. 

 

Couldn't find this version of memory in PC part picker either just took a screenshot.

 

 

[Stormer3]

Also is there anyway to find out if the busses on the board with support 3 SSD's in raid 0

[GoldenLag]

3 minutes ago, Stormer3 said:

So i'm not worried about fail rate on the SSD's their actually really cheap compared to a couple years ago. Plus I don''t store anything important on my computer. All on external backups.  But i did change the memory. It was close to $100 difference. Wish i could see how much a performance difference 800MHZ actually is. 

 

Couldn't find this version of memory in PC part picker either just took a screenshot.

 

 

If you arent worried id still just grab my combo as it offers more storage, you really wont notice much of a difference unless you are doing professional work. The 800mhz difference is almost nothing in terms of performance. The real difference is when going from 2400mhz to 3200mhz. After that its very little to gain and the cost skyrockets. 

 

Here is some good RGB ram you can go with: https://pcpartpicker.com/product/qjM323/gskill-trident-z-rgb-16gb-2-x-8gb-ddr3-3000-memory-f4-3000c16d-16gtzr

 

3000mhz and 3200 mhz is also almpst interchangable

[GoldenLag]

5 minutes ago, Stormer3 said:

Also is there anyway to find out if the busses on the board with support 3 SSD's in raid 0

Look at the board how many m.2 slots it has. You might dissable some Sata ports when all the slots are occupied as the 8700k doesnt have the gratest ammount of PCIe lanes, but you should be fine. Worst case scenario you grab a expansion card for relativly cheap

[Stormer3]

oh i just noticed i linked the wrong build.

[Stormer3]

i don't think i need the other 500GB SSD. 

 

Thoughts on this.

[Stormer3]

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/Stormer3/saved/y9K3bv

 

[GoldenLag]

1 minute ago, Stormer3 said:

i don't think i need the other 500GB SSD. 

 

Thoughts on this.

Just noticed the mobo, swap it out for a ASrock taichi board or a Asus board

 

Asus board: https://pcpartpicker.com/product/8sRFf7/asus-rog-strix-z370-e-gaming-atx-lga1151-motherboard-strix-z370-e-gaming

 

ASrock Board: https://pcpartpicker.com/product/KbNypg/asrock-z370-taichi-atx-lga1151-motherboard-z370-taichi

 

The Aorus board is just not a good board. Its VRMs arent the greatest, if you ever plan on overclocking the board will dissapoint you

[Spotty]

Just supporting the things @GoldenLag had already mentioned. It's very good advice and I'd recommend taking it.

 

Go with a 2x8gb 3200mhz kit. 4000mhz won't give noticeable improvement in most real world scenarios. If you're curious if you could probably overclock a decent set of 3000/3200mhz ram a bit anyway.

 

Don't go for RAID0 with nvme ssds. It's really pointless and nvme drives are fast enough as it is. Using RAID0 will give little to no benefit but greatly increases the cost and also increase failure risk.  Even if you don't care about losing your OS install and data, it still creates a hassle of having to reinstall windows and download all your programs and drivers.