Couple of ideas for next build.

[MrShinny]

Hey guys!

 

So I have given myself around a 3000 dollar budget on my next build (give or take), and I built this part list.

 

But I have been doubting myself, because I know that I could get more performance for the same price, if I just ditch the water cooling idea and go air. So I have a couple of ideas and I need some people to tell my insane mind if it's sane to do it or not.

 

I mainly game and stream. Some video editing, but not enough that I will really need a enthusiast CPU.

 

IDEA 1:

 

Full custom water loop, as I mentioned before. I already planned this out completely and I could order the parts right now. If you guys have any critics about it please tell me!

 

IDEA 2:

 

Dual PC setup. Sometimes for streaming, and also so I can move around the mouse and do stuff on the other PC while still in the game. Removes the inconvenience for me. (I am a frequent alt taber in games)

 

It will be a 8700k for the gaming PC and a 1st or 2nd gen ryzen for the second. I haven't made a part list yet, but they will both go into the yet to be released evolv X.

 

IDEA 3:

 

Same thing as above, but running a NAS server to synchronize the OS between the two?? Is that possible? Please enlighten me. I just don't want to have to figure out what to download and what PC to download them on, etc etc.

 

IDEA 4:

 

My last and final idea is to just go all out and build a threadripper or core i9 build, even though I don't really need it, but it will actually be an increase in "performance" overall rather than spending 1k on water cooling parts.

 

Guys, enlighten me. What is the best thing to do in this situation? Any other ideas? Help is greatly appreciated!

Thanks!

[Diamand_G]

Woops sorry post below

[Diamand_G]

21 minutes ago, MrShinny said:

Hey guys!

 

So I have given myself around a 3000 dollar budget on my next build (give or take), and I built this part list.

 

But I have been doubting myself, because I know that I could get more performance for the same price, if I just ditch the water cooling idea and go air. So I have a couple of ideas and I need some people to tell my insane mind if it's sane to do it or not.

 

I mainly game and stream. Some video editing, but not enough that I will really need a enthusiast CPU.

 

IDEA 1:

 

Full custom water loop, as I mentioned before. I already planned this out completely and I could order the parts right now. If you guys have any critics about it please tell me!

 

IDEA 2:

 

Dual PC setup. Sometimes for streaming, and also so I can move around the mouse and do stuff on the other PC while still in the game. Removes the inconvenience for me. (I am a frequent alt taber in games)

 

It will be a 8700k for the gaming PC and a 1st or 2nd gen ryzen for the second. I haven't made a part list yet, but they will both go into the yet to be released evolv X.

 

IDEA 3:

 

Same thing as above, but running a NAS server to synchronize the OS between the two?? Is that possible? Please enlighten me. I just don't want to have to figure out what to download and what PC to download them on, etc etc.

 

IDEA 4:

 

My last and final idea is to just go all out and build a threadripper or core i9 build, even though I don't really need it, but it will actually be an increase in "performance" overall rather than spending 1k on water cooling parts.

 

Guys, enlighten me. What is the best thing to do in this situation? Any other ideas? Help is greatly appreciated!

Thanks!

Oh wow I'm no PC builder and I really don't know what I'm talking about (I've learned everything off of YouTube videos and no experience) and really new when it comes to these things but I have a sort of opinion for each idea from an outsiders point of view.

 

Idea 1:

Wow, badass bragging rights PC my friend.

Idea 2:

Really smart and comparing idea 2 to idea 4, idea 2 is better. You really don't need an overkill pc. (Unless you want to use it for several several years) 

Idea 3:

I'm sorry I know little about networking. No opinion. ?

Idea 4:

even if your also going to be using better graphics card(s) you don't need these crazy specs unless you are consistently doing a heavy workload, or plan on not needing to buy a PC for a long time, go for this build.

 

But yeah I'm no pro ? good luck!

[GoldenLag]

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Threadripper 1950X 3.4GHz 16-Core Processor  ($774.00 @ Amazon) 
CPU Cooler: Noctua - NH-U14S TR4-SP3 140.2 CFM CPU Cooler  ($79.90 @ Amazon) 
CPU Cooler: NZXT - Kraken X72 Liquid CPU Cooler  ($180.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Motherboard: ASRock - X399 Taichi ATX TR4 Motherboard  ($283.88 @ OutletPC) 
Memory: G.Skill - Trident Z 16GB (4 x 4GB) DDR4-3200 Memory  ($200.98 @ Newegg Business) 
Memory: G.Skill - Trident Z 16GB (4 x 4GB) DDR4-3200 Memory  ($200.98 @ Newegg Business) 
Storage: Crucial - MX500 1TB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($192.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Storage: Seagate - Barracuda 3TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($68.09 @ Newegg Marketplace) 
Video Card: EVGA - GeForce GTX 1080 Ti 11GB SC Black Edition Video Card  ($729.99 @ B&H) 
Power Supply: SeaSonic - X Series 1050W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($159.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Total: $2871.79
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-08-01 12:22 EDT-0400

 

 

Threadripper suggestion

[MrShinny]

20 minutes ago, GoldenLag said:

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Really nice suggestion, thank you. But wouldn't the threadripper get way way way less frames than a 8700k? I'm not a pro streamer, just do it for fun. Do you still think it's worth it?

[MrShinny]

24 minutes ago, Diamand_G said:

Oh wow I'm no PC builder and I really don't know what I'm talking about (I've learned everything off of YouTube videos and no experience) and really new when it comes to these things but I have a sort of opinion for each idea from an outsiders point of view.

 

Idea 1:

Wow, badass bragging rights PC my friend.

Idea 2:

Really smart and comparing idea 2 to idea 4, idea 2 is better. You really don't need an overkill pc. (Unless you want to use it for several several years) 

Idea 3:

I'm sorry I know little about networking. No opinion. ?

Idea 4:

even if your also going to be using better graphics card(s) you don't need these crazy specs unless you are consistently doing a heavy workload, or plan on not needing to buy a PC for a long time, go for this build.

 

But yeah I'm no pro ? good luck!

Don't we all learn everythig from yt?

 

I might go for an SLI setup as well, but still not 100% sure as 1180s may come out sooner than later, which will probs make me very upset about spending 1500+ on a SLI setup.

[GoldenLag]

1 minute ago, MrShinny said:

Really nice suggestion, thank you. But wouldn't the threadripper get way way way less frames than a 8700k? I'm not a pro streamer, just do it for fun. Do you still think it's worth it?

More of a casual streamer an 2700x would be a better choice. 1950x is more for bragging rights really. The threadripper gets decent amount of frames. Less than an 8700k, but you wont need to swap the CPU for a long while. 

 

Again a 2700x would be a better an more economical choice

[GoldenLag]

2 minutes ago, MrShinny said:

Don't we all learn everythig from yt?

 

I might go for an SLI setup as well, but still not 100% sure as 1180s may come out sooner than later, which will probs make me very upset about spending 1500+ on a SLI setup.

SLI is a waste of money in todays gaming world. Better to just spend on 1 GPU and splurge elsewhere

[MrShinny]

Just now, GoldenLag said:

SLI is a waste of money in todays gaming world. Better to just spend on 1 GPU and splurge elsewhere

Yeah, that's what I was thinking but I still see people building them too.

[MrShinny]

5 minutes ago, GoldenLag said:

SLI is a waste of money in todays gaming world. Better to just spend on 1 GPU and splurge elsewhere

What about a 7900xe?

 

[GoldenLag]

2 minutes ago, MrShinny said:

What about a 7900xe?

 

at that point its better to buy a threadripper. the 7900xe doesnt overclock that well and is just generally a worse buy thatn the threadrippers. the threadrippers still offer a good framerate. just not as many as the 8700k. 

[GoldenLag]

7 minutes ago, MrShinny said:

Yeah, that's what I was thinking but I still see people building them too.

they are in a tiny minority of the minority. SLI is pretty much dead. the support for it is also just getting worse by the year

[MrShinny]

Just now, GoldenLag said:

at that point its better to buy a threadripper. the 7900xe doesnt overclock that well and is just generally a worse buy thatn the threadrippers. the threadrippers still offer a good framerate. just not as many as the 8700k. 

So 2700x + 8700k is also a bad idea as well? I feel like it would be better performing and be more convenient.

[GoldenLag]

1 minute ago, MrShinny said:

So 2700x + 8700k is also a bad idea as well? I feel like it would be better performing and be more convenient.

it will be a better idea. either that, it will be a mix of both worlds. the 2700x will also offer a good upgrade path if you so choose so. combine those two build with synergy to minimize the setup

[MrShinny]

Just now, GoldenLag said:

it will be a better idea. either that, it will be a mix of both worlds. the 2700x will also offer a good upgrade path if you so choose so. combine those two build with synergy to minimize the setup

How will synergy work exactly? I know it sync the mouse and stuff, but will it sync the files, etc?

[GoldenLag]

8 minutes ago, MrShinny said:

How will synergy work exactly? I know it sync the mouse and stuff, but will it sync the files, etc?

it allows the transfer of files between the PCs. as far as i know it doesnt sunc files, but you can set up one of the PCs as a NAS, that way it will sync files. and files will be retriavable from both PCs

[MrShinny]

Just now, GoldenLag said:

it allows the transfer of files between the PCs. as far as i know it doesnt sunc files, but you can set up one of the PCs as a NAS, that way it will sync files. and files will be retriavable from both PCs

Okay... let me make sure I am understanding you correctly

 

Intel Main PC/NAS server > Storage drives connected to main PC 

V

Lan > Router > Goes to mini PC = Synced OS + Synergy?

[GoldenLag]

1 minute ago, MrShinny said:

Okay... let me make sure I am understanding you correctly

 

Intel Main PC/NAS server > Storage drives connected to main PC 

V

Lan > Router > Goes to mini PC = Synced OS + Synergy?

pretty much. id set the secondary PC as a NAS as you will have to send files over ethernet almost regardless of how you do it. i think synergy transfers them fast anyway. 

 

i dont actually have many details. i would recommend you look into it for yourself

[MrShinny]

2 minutes ago, GoldenLag said:

pretty much. id set the secondary PC as a NAS as you will have to send files over ethernet almost regardless of how you do it. i think synergy transfers them fast anyway. 

 

i dont actually have many details. i would recommend you look into it for yourself

Okay! Thanks for all the help!

 

If I make the main PC the NAS though, wouldn't it be much faster, as gigabyte ethernet would be the bottlecap?

 

EDIT: What I mean is wouldn't it be faster for the main PC, as that is what I would game with.

[pcmr2066]

1 hour ago, GoldenLag said:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Threadripper 1950X 3.4GHz 16-Core Processor  ($774.00 @ Amazon) 
CPU Cooler: Noctua - NH-U14S TR4-SP3 140.2 CFM CPU Cooler  ($79.90 @ Amazon) 
CPU Cooler: NZXT - Kraken X72 Liquid CPU Cooler  ($180.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Motherboard: ASRock - X399 Taichi ATX TR4 Motherboard  ($283.88 @ OutletPC) 
Memory: G.Skill - Trident Z 16GB (4 x 4GB) DDR4-3200 Memory  ($200.98 @ Newegg Business) 
Memory: G.Skill - Trident Z 16GB (4 x 4GB) DDR4-3200 Memory  ($200.98 @ Newegg Business) 
Storage: Crucial - MX500 1TB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($192.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Storage: Seagate - Barracuda 3TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($68.09 @ Newegg Marketplace) 
Video Card: EVGA - GeForce GTX 1080 Ti 11GB SC Black Edition Video Card  ($729.99 @ B&H) 
Power Supply: SeaSonic - X Series 1050W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($159.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Total: $2871.79
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-08-01 12:22 EDT-0400

 

 

Threadripper suggestion

Hey.. Just wanna ask. Did you accidentally choose 2 CPU coolers, or is there a purpose for it? Just curious  

[GoldenLag]

1 minute ago, pcmr2066 said:

Hey.. Just wanna ask. Did you accidentally choose 2 CPU coolers, or is there a purpose for it? Just curious  

oh damn. i guess PCpartpicker doesnt remove the coolers as they are technically elligably for Dualsocket Epyc servers. i did know about that caviat, bu i forgot about it.

 

 

also i forgot to mention that he should choose the case he wants

[MrShinny]

Just now, GoldenLag said:

oh damn. i guess PCpartpicker doesnt remove the coolers as they are technically elligably for Dualsocket Epyc servers. i did know about that caviat, bu i forgot about it.

 

 

also i forgot to mention that he should choose the case he wants

Evolv X  thanks though

[GoldenLag]

3 minutes ago, MrShinny said:

Okay! Thanks for all the help!

 

If I make the main PC the NAS though, wouldn't it be much faster, as gigabyte ethernet would be the bottlecap?

 

EDIT: What I mean is wouldn't it be faster for the main PC, as that is what I would game with.

get a 10Gbit network card to link the two PCs. it will never be the bottleck then. they cost a bit, but your budget has quite a bit of headroom as the secondary PC doesnt need a beefy GPU. 

[MrShinny]

Just now, GoldenLag said:

get a 10Gbit network card to link the two PCs. it will never be the bottleck then. they cost a bit, but your budget has quite a bit of headroom as the secondary PC doesnt need a beefy GPU. 

So basically just link the two with LAN, but with 2 10 gbit pcie adapters?

 

Main PC > PCIE adapter > LAN > PCIE adapter > 2nd PC

V

Storage

V

NAS software

 

Now I just gotta figure out how to do this in one case.

[GoldenLag]

Just now, MrShinny said:

So basically just link the two with LAN, but with 2 10 gbit pcie adapters?

 

Main PC > PCIE adapter > LAN > PCIE adapter > 2nd PC

V

Storage

V

NAS software

 

Now I just gotta figure out how to do this in one case.

there are dualsystem Cases. though usually a ATX mobo and then mATX or ITX

 

couple of cases: http://www.phanteks.com/Enthoo-MiniXL-DS.html

 

i found one

but there are plenty of others out there