Performance is So So, What am I doing wrong?

[GMart84]

Hello,

 

I am a long time lurker, first time poster here so I apologize if I am doing this wrong.

 

I recently built myself a new PC with the following specs:

 

Intel i7-8700K 5.0Ghz @ 1.31 vCore

Asus Maximus X Hero Wi-Fi AC

16 GB Corsair Vengence RGB DDR4-3000

Corsair Force GT SSD Boot Drive

2TB Hitachi HDD for Storage

EVGA GTX 1080 SC

Corsair HX1000i

Dell 3415W running 3440x1440 @ 80 Hz

 

I previously had an RX 580 in the build and as prices have come down a bit I upgraded to the 1080.  I figured I was going to get a rather significant bump in performance across the board but have failed to realize that.  Basically I only play a few games on the system, Far Cry 5, Project Cars 2, and Homefront: The Revolution.  I am getting horrible FPS in all games with screen tearing and generally bad performance.  I have even been told that I need to turn down all the settings for the graphics.  Please tell me that the 1080 could handle that resolution at ultra detail levels otherwise it was not a good investment for me.

 

Performance:

Far Cry 5: Average FPS 70

Project Cars 2: Average FPS 68

Homefront: The Revolution: Average FPS 38

 

While they are all playable, I see much higher FPS from pretty much everyone I see online.  What other information can I provide that might help figure this out?

 

Thank you for your time.

 

 

[GDRRiley]

did you use DDU to remove your old GPU drivers? if so run it and get all your old drivers removed then reinstall the ones for your 1080

[Froody129]

With a 980ti I'm getting 100FPS with everything on ultra 1440p (16:9) PCars2. Obviously something is wrong. First thing to check is drivers. DDU and reinstall, maybe skip out on Geforce Experience for now

[thedude4bides]

I have an EVGA 1070ti and play Far Cry 5 at that resolution.  I get about the same average fps as you and since these cards are similar in gaming performance it sounds like you are in the ballpark for where you are supposed to be for that game.

 

Edit- just ran the benchmark in FarCry5 and on High settings average 67 fps with the 1070ti paired with in i5 8600k.

[GMart84]

When I upgraded the card I actually used the opportunity to do a completely fresh install of Windows I will DDU when I get home today and try again.  I have not overclocked the card yet, so I guess that is an option too.

 

I will also get rid of Geforce Experience now.  It is telling me that for Homefront I should be knocking all the settings down to Low.

[thedude4bides]

Do you enable vsync and still get screen tearing?

[GMart84]

When I enable V-Sync in the app I get mixed results, when I use the NVidia Control Panel to do it, the results are better but still it dips down into the high teens some times in all the games.

[jones177]

Hi

 

At 3440x1440 a GTX 1080 is only good for 60hz gaming.

 

My WS rig is close to your setup.

 

Intel i7-8700K 4.7Ghz

Asus Maximus X Hero 

16 GB G.SKILL Ripjaws V Series DDR4 3200

Crucial MX300 2.5" 1TB

EVGA GTX 1080 SC

CORSAIR AX Series AX860 860W

34" Samsung SE790 Curved Monitor running 3440x1440 @ 60 Hz

 

 

I replaced the GTX 1080 with a GTX 1080 ti. It is good for 100hz gaming at 3440X1440.

 

I did not like my GTX 1080. It is the only card that I have owned that I needed to use DDU for every update. If I didn't I got a performance hit.  Sometimes had to roll back drivers as well.  It was perfect on some games & a mess on others. It's reliability greatly improved after a bios update. Making it the only video card that I had to update the bios on.

 

I am not a fan of your I/O setup. HDs slow down SSDs. In some open world games this can cause performance issues. It is the reason I use a 1tb SSD & have storage on a USB HD. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[O9B0666]

5 hours ago, thedude4bides said:

I have an EVGA 1070ti and play Far Cry 5 at that resolution.  I get about the same average fps as you and since these cards are similar in gaming performance it sounds like you are in the ballpark for where you are supposed to be for that game.

 

Edit- just ran the benchmark in FarCry5 and on High settings average 67 fps with the 1070ti paired with in i5 8600k.

Your system is wonky too cause with my lil old rx470 4g in far cry I get 75-85fps everything max 

[gbergeron]

8 hours ago, Froody129 said:

With a 980ti I'm getting 100FPS with everything on ultra 1440p (16:9) PCars2. Obviously something is wrong. First thing to check is drivers. DDU and reinstall, maybe skip out on Geforce Experience for now

His resolution is higher than 1440p tho... he is 3440X1440 no 2560X1440

 

2 hours ago, O9B0666 said:

Your system is wonky too cause with my lil old rx470 4g in far cry I get 75-85fps everything max 

It depens on the resolution and graphics settings come on ......
RX470

[thedude4bides]

14 minutes ago, O9B0666 said:

Your system is wonky too cause with my lil old rx470 4g in far cry I get 75-85fps everything max 

What resolution?  I'm at 3440x1440

[GMart84]

I did the DDU Uninstall of all graphics drivers on the system and started Fresh with the Nvidia Driver 398.36 and am still in the same FPS range on those games.  I will play with settings more to see if there is something I can do to effect this.

 

Current Benchmarks

Heaven: 47.8 FPS, 1227 Score

Cinebench: 1550 Score

 

I guess I thought I would be scoring higher in these benchmarks as well.  Now that I am really playing with it.  I think I have some work to do on my CPU overclock too.

 

3 hours ago, jones177 said:

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That being said, I wish I could go back and just get a bigger SSD but i pulled all of those out of my previous rig targeting the GPU and CPU for upgrades this time around.  If the 1080 really is only good for 60Hz then I really hope that the next gen launches soon while I can still participate in the EVGA trade up program.

[Froody129]

Do you not perhaps have some sort of supersampling or crazy MSAA turned on? You don't really need that much AA at that resolution

[thedude4bides]

7 hours ago, GMart84 said:

I did the DDU Uninstall of all graphics drivers on the system and started Fresh with the Nvidia Driver 398.36 and am still in the same FPS range on those games.  I will play with settings more to see if there is something I can do to effect this.

 

Current Benchmarks

Heaven: 47.8 FPS, 1227 Score

Cinebench: 1550 Score

 

I guess I thought I would be scoring higher in these benchmarks as well.  Now that I am really playing with it.  I think I have some work to do on my CPU overclock too.

 

That being said, I wish I could go back and just get a bigger SSD but i pulled all of those out of my previous rig targeting the GPU and CPU for upgrades this time around.  If the 1080 really is only good for 60Hz then I really hope that the next gen launches soon while I can still participate in the EVGA trade up program.

Heaven seems low but hard to say without knowing what settings you are running...

[GMart84]

4 hours ago, thedude4bides said:

Heaven seems low but hard to say without knowing what settings you are running...

I was running Heaven at 3440x1440 at Ultra and Extreme settings with AA set to 8x.

[GMart84]

9 hours ago, Froody129 said:

Do you not perhaps have some sort of supersampling or crazy MSAA turned on? You don't really need that much AA at that resolution

That is a good idea, I will turn all of that off and see what happens.  Thank you for the hint.

[Froody129]

2 hours ago, GMart84 said:

That is a good idea, I will turn all of that off and see what happens.  Thank you for the hint.

There's an SSAA option in the Nvidia Control Panel. Might be there 

[GMart84]

I turned off the AA in the games themselves and in the benchmark as the setting in the Nvidia control panel was application set.  I Then reran the benchmarks and got the following.

 

Heaven:1768 Score and 67.8 FPS

Far Cry 5 Ultra Settings: 71 FPS

Far Cry 5 High Settings: 77 FPS

[Duskie]

Those numbers sound a lot like what I get at 3440x1440 on my 1080, I don't think there's an issue with your system, 3440x1440 is just difficult to drive even with a 1080.

[thedude4bides]

Yeah, numbers looks reasonable.  Do you still get tearing or stuttering?  Or things smooth out?

[GMart84]

I get a little bit of tearing still, but it is much smoother without the AA on.  I am a bit disappointed, as the difference between my old RX580 and the GTX 1080 was not as much as I had hoped.  the RX 580 I had would run the Far Cry 5 at the same settings at 62 FPS, given that it is a mid-range card I figured I was getting significantly better with teh 1080 even though it was not a Ti.  I always saw comparisons between the GTX 1060 or 1070 so I think I may have to use my step up from EVGA prior to the launch of the next generation cards.

[thedude4bides]

35 minutes ago, GMart84 said:

I get a little bit of tearing still, but it is much smoother without the AA on.  I am a bit disappointed, as the difference between my old RX580 and the GTX 1080 was not as much as I had hoped.  the RX 580 I had would run the Far Cry 5 at the same settings at 62 FPS, given that it is a mid-range card I figured I was getting significantly better with teh 1080 even though it was not a Ti.  I always saw comparisons between the GTX 1060 or 1070 so I think I may have to use my step up from EVGA prior to the launch of the next generation cards.

https://www.techspot.com/article/1600-far-cry-5-benchmarks/page2.html

 

77 fps over 61 is a 26% increase.  Not bad.  The link shows your 580 was getting better performance than what they tested so maybe you just had a real good card or drivers were updated or something but the 1080 is right in line with what they benchmarked.

 

Regarding the other stuff... stuttering/tearing... maybe try different ports or use DP vs HDMI/vice versa... make sure HDMI cable is latest version your monitor accepts if you are using that.  Maybe search google to see if others with your monitor have same issue?

 

 

[ShoshinUK]

On 7/16/2018 at 8:49 PM, GMart84 said:

I will also get rid of Geforce Experience now.

yes, do not use this for optimising your rig to certain games etc.

[GMart84]

3 hours ago, thedude4bides said:

https://www.techspot.com/article/1600-far-cry-5-benchmarks/page2.html

 

77 fps over 61 is a 26% increase.  Not bad.  The link shows your 580 was getting better performance than what they tested so maybe you just had a real good card or drivers were updated or something but the 1080 is right in line with what they benchmarked.

 

Regarding the other stuff... stuttering/tearing... maybe try different ports or use DP vs HDMI/vice versa... make sure HDMI cable is latest version your monitor accepts if you are using that.  Maybe search google to see if others with your monitor have same issue?

 

 

Thank you for putting that in perspective, I guess I was just expecting the sky since I was spending $580 on a video card for the firs time in my life.  It is definitely better than the 580 I just needed to readjust my perspective.  As for the RX 580 being a good card.  I would tend to agree with you, despite being power hungry it did most of what I asked with ease on dual 1080p monitors, it was when I went ultra-wide that it started struggling.  It OC'ed a decent amount too, in the range of 140 Hz on the Core and 225 on the Memory.  Using the old parts from this rig plus the 580 I am working on a 1080p racing rig just for sim racing.  It should be able to handle that fine.  The new rig will be my primary gaming location, so all those parts are just kind of sitting there right now waiting while I figure this one out.

[thedude4bides]

1 hour ago, GMart84 said:

Thank you for putting that in perspective, I guess I was just expecting the sky since I was spending $580 on a video card for the firs time in my life.  It is definitely better than the 580 I just needed to readjust my perspective.  As for the RX 580 being a good card.  I would tend to agree with you, despite being power hungry it did most of what I asked with ease on dual 1080p monitors, it was when I went ultra-wide that it started struggling.  It OC'ed a decent amount too, in the range of 140 Hz on the Core and 225 on the Memory.  Using the old parts from this rig plus the 580 I am working on a 1080p racing rig just for sim racing.  It should be able to handle that fine.  The new rig will be my primary gaming location, so all those parts are just kind of sitting there right now waiting while I figure this one out.

I hear ya man.  I'm a little confused about your next move... you'll have a rig with the gtx 1080 using the 34 ultra wide and then another setup with the rx580 driving two 1080p montitors for racing games?  If so, sounds pretty awesome!