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Apple's new MacBook Pro lineup have a developed a way to repel dust away from the keyboard

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Apple MacBook Pros: https://www.apple.com/sg/macbook-pro/

 

Source: https://www.theverge.com/2018/7/13/17570538/apple-macbook-pro-keyboard-design-patent-dust-dirt-liquid-resistant-ifixit

 

 

Apple's new MacBook Pro's were announced yesterday, and many have speculated that while the keyboard has become quieter, the amount of dust gathered is still the same. Not today. iFixit reports that Apple's new keyboards now have a "silicon membrane" sitting under a key to avoid any dust or dirt from getting in.

 

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Apple’s new MacBook Pro keyboards are slightly quieter than the ones found in the previous iteration of the laptop. But the company’s silence on the mechanism’s widespread mechanical issues, which Apple first acknowledged with a repair program last month, has left many scratching their heads and wondering if the new laptop’s largely unchanged keyboard is susceptible to dust and crumb contamination under the hood.

 

Now, iFixit says it’s uncovered something that indicates that the new MacBook Pro keyboards use a silicone membrane underneath each individual key to keep dirt and other unsavory particles from finding their way under the keyboard and locking it up. The repair organization dismantled a new 15-inch MacBook Pro keyboard to discover the new mechanism

 

Great to see Apple actually doing something to prevent the dust and dirt reaching the keyboards. It has been an issue for a while and this seems like a step in the right direction.

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They gave the new switches foreskin and marketed it as making them more silent. 

 

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Hopefully it actually helps and doesn't get damaged when cleaning. 

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16 minutes ago, DrMacintosh said:

They gave the new switches foreskin and marketed it as making them more silent. 

 

Genius (not really)

 

Hopefully it actually helps and doesn't get damaged when cleaning. 

If they wanted to preserve the key feel (which could do with some improvement) then it probably would be damaged as it'd need to be pretty thin to not perceptibly alter it.

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Well at least they did something about it. Will have to see how it holds up. If it actually works then that's more compelling to get one

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1 minute ago, Dabombinable said:

If they wanted to preserve the key feel (which could do with some improvement) then it probably would be damaged as it'd need to be pretty thin to not perceptibly alter it.

They key, according to early hands on reviews, hasnt changed in feel. 

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2 minutes ago, DrMacintosh said:

They key, according to early hands on reviews, hasnt changed in feel. 

In that case. To anyone with a Macbook that has the new key version: Be bloody careful when cleaning as they just got more fragile.

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4 minutes ago, Dabombinable said:

In that case. To anyone with a Macbook that has the new key version: Be bloody careful when cleaning as they just got more fragile.

How would this affect the durability in the negative? And why does a similar feeling switch change anything?

 

If the cover tears then all you have done is made it the same as the 2016/2017 keyboards. 

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If it's an improvement, I'm not gonna make some anti Apple snarky response lol.

 

Outside of ridic laptops with mech keyboards, laptop keyboards in general are bad anyway haha

 

 

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Apple hasn't disclosed this but the MacBook Pro is only intended to be used in clean, sterilized rooms with HEPA filters like a operating room. xD

 

Someone should that that Jonathan Ive that scissor switches are still superior over his butterfly key switches.

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3 minutes ago, Dan Castellaneta said:

So it's uncircumcised? /s

I believe the proper term is "Intact" xD 

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17 minutes ago, DrMacintosh said:

How would this affect the durability in the negative?

The silicon membrane is now part of the keyboard and would be easily damaged via cleaning.

19 minutes ago, DrMacintosh said:

And why does a similar feeling switch change anything?

I thought the feeling was the same with the new keyboards-from what you've said.

20 minutes ago, DrMacintosh said:

If the cover tears then all you have done is made it the same as the 2016/2017 keyboards. 

Which have reliability issues.

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2 minutes ago, Dabombinable said:

The silicon membrane is now part of the keyboard and would be easily damaged via cleaning.

I thought the feeling was the same with the new keyboards-from what you've said.

Which have reliability issues.

I'm afraid I'm not following your reasoning except for your last point which is just a fact. 

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32 minutes ago, captain_to_fire said:

Apple hasn't disclosed this but the MacBook Pro is only intended to be used in clean, sterilized rooms with HEPA filters like a operating room. xD

 

Someone should that that Jonathan Ive that scissor switches are still superior over his butterfly key switches.

Who uses a MacBook Pro anywhere else? You need to keep to your warranty. 

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51 minutes ago, DrMacintosh said:

I'm afraid I'm not following your reasoning except for your last point which is just a fact. 

To keep the key feel the same the membrane has too be thin. Meaning that when cleaned it will break easily. Meaning that the keyboard is more fragile when cleaned so people need to be bloody careful. As the silicon membrane breaking would allow dust into the keys and cause them to start breaking again.

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5 minutes ago, VegetableStu said:

starbucks are apple genius bars in disguise o_o

Don't tell anyone please

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50 minutes ago, RorzNZ said:

Who uses a MacBook Pro anywhere else? You need to keep to your warranty. 

I'm pretty sure that "anywhere else" is defined differently by everyone. Apple's flimsy and fragile butterfly switches is already a red flag to people working in places that aren't always clean. Civil engineers and architects working at construction sites should definitely not buy the MacBook Pro for durability alone even though programs like AutoCAD are available for the Mac.

6 minutes ago, VegetableStu said:

starbucks are apple genius bars in disguise o_o

triple shot caramel macchiato while dealing with a flimsy keyboard

2 minutes ago, Christophe Corazza said:

Euhm... a keyboard condom.

Revolutionary.

I guess bricked butterfly keyboards is an example of a "debris transmitted disease". If only Apple knew that keyboard condoms don't give the same satisfying sensation as a proper mechanical/scissor switch.

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8 minutes ago, captain_to_fire said:

I'm pretty sure that "anywhere else" is defined differently by everyone. Apple's flimsy and fragile butterfly switches is already a red flag to people working in places that aren't always clean. Civil engineers and architects working at construction sites should definitely not buy the MacBook Pro for durability alone even though programs like AutoCAD are available for the Mac.

triple shot caramel macchiato while dealing with a flimsy keyboard

I guess bricked butterfly keyboards is an example of a "debris transmitted disease". If only Apple knew that keyboard condoms don't give the same satisfying sensation as a proper mechanical/scissor switch.

TBH its just a keyboard, if you keep your laptop clean and use it properly and keep it in mind its a very expensive machine its all good. 

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It makes sense they wouldn't advertise it fixing the keyboard (if it actually does that). It would open them up to be liable by actually admitting there was a problem. The current replacement program isn't an admission of guilt (technically anyway) but essentially a way of saying we'll fix if it breaks but it won't break because of the implication.

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2 hours ago, captain_to_fire said:

I guess bricked butterfly keyboards is an example of a "debris transmitted disease". If only Apple knew that keyboard condoms don't give the same satisfying sensation as a proper mechanical/scissor switch.

 

"debris transmitted disease" xDxD

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2 hours ago, RorzNZ said:

TBH its just a keyboard, if you keep your laptop clean and use it properly and keep it in mind its a very expensive machine its all good. 

 

Indeed, I completely agree.

Although accidents CAN happen, it really surprises me how the keyboard of some people ends up looking like after some time of use.

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i wonder if Apple will replace MBP 2016-7 models with this redesign topcase under the free keyboard replacement program. good time to bring my MBP in 

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Egads, some of the responses here... Apple apparently fixes the problem and they're still finding ways to complain (despite a lack of evidence for their claims).   It's almost as if they're not really interested in Apple fixing the flaw, and just want an excuse to attack the company. ?

 

Seriously, folks: we have no idea how well this new protection will hold up, but it is protection, and there's no immediate reason to believe that it'll fall apart under daily use.

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So will their replacement program for older devices use this new keyboard design then?

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