Vega 56 vs Vega 64?

[thvSPARK]

First off, I am only considering AMD cards. I have a Freesync monitor and I would like to take advantage of that. I have the Aorus Gaming 7 with the Ryzen 2700x as my mobo and CPU. I can afford either card, but my question is whether the extra $100 USD for the 64 is worth the upgrade. Also, is there a specific aftermarket card I should get, or is the Asus a good choice? 

 

Any advice appreciated

[EarthWormJM2]

In my opinion the 64 is worth the extra money for the performance boost ( and you can say you have the best GPU AMD makes, lol) That combined with your freesync monitor should be smooth sailing if you are sticking to 1080 and even most 1440p (if your monitor goes to 1440p). As far as brands, ASUS is good, but tend to be the most $$, I have bought MSI for my last few cards as they seem to have the best aftermarket cooling solutions for OC ( aside from water cooling). Specifically the MSI Gaming X model.

[thvSPARK]

2 minutes ago, EarthWormJM2 said:

In my opinion the 64 is worth the extra money for the performance boost ( and you can say you have the best GPU AMD makes, lol) That combined with your freesync monitor should be smooth sailing if you are sticking to 1080 and even most 1440p (if your monitor goes to 1440p). As far as brands, ASUS is good, but tend to be the most $$, I have bought MSI for my last few cards as they seem to have the best aftermarket cooling solutions for OC ( aside from water cooling). Specifically the MSI Gaming X model.

My monitor is 1920 x 1080, still worth it? Also, I can't find an MSI card, can you link one?

[GDRRiley]

this will be probably the best 64 you can find https://pcpartpicker.com/product/7nYWGX/asus-radeon-rx-vega-64-8gb-rog-strix-video-card-rog-strix-rxvega64-o8g-gaming

[thvSPARK]

1 minute ago, GDRRiley said:

this will be probably the best 64 you can find https://pcpartpicker.com/product/7nYWGX/asus-radeon-rx-vega-64-8gb-rog-strix-video-card-rog-strix-rxvega64-o8g-gaming

Good to know, that's what I was looking at

 

[EarthWormJM2]

4 minutes ago, Pyronyx said:

My monitor is 1920 x 1080, still worth it? Also, I can't find an MSI card, can you link one?

Please disregard my lapse in memory, I was thinking of the RX580 for the MSI one. I would go with an ASUS brand one for the best aftermarket cooling options for Vega. In your case the 56 will be more then enough at 1080p but the 64 will give you ~10 fps extra in games, so either one will be good. The 64 will getting a little bit more longevity out of it since its more powerful tho.

[thvSPARK]

1 minute ago, EarthWormJM2 said:

Please disregard my lapse in memory, I was thinking of the RX580 for the MSI one. I would go with an ASUS brand one for the best aftermarket cooling options for Vega. In your case the 56 will be more then enough at 1080p but the 64 will give you ~10 fps extra in games, so either one will be good. The 64 will getting a little bit more longevity out of it since its more powerful tho.

Good to know, it's no problem. Coming from mainly console and my Macbook for games, I think either would be a massive upgrade. However, how much longer would the 64 last? Looking to have this build last me a while.

[EarthWormJM2]

36 minutes ago, Pyronyx said:

Good to know, it's no problem. Coming from mainly console and my Macbook for games, I think either would be a massive upgrade. However, how much longer would the 64 last? Looking to have this build last me a while.

Yes, definitely a huge upgrade over consoles. The longevity is only a little bit stronger on the 64 because its a little bit more powerful, but its not going to be THAT much longer. Like in a few years it may be the difference between having just enough FPS to make a game playable the way you want and not having enough FPS to be playable (the more I talk about it, the more the 56 is looking like the more sensible option, lol) I just tend to buy the most powerful GPU i can afford at the time as I want the most performance I can get, sometimes that extra 10 fps makes a difference if it means 50 fps vs 60 fps and since you can afford both, I'd get the 64. Hopefully that is enough information to help you make a informed decision.

[thvSPARK]

3 minutes ago, EarthWormJM2 said:

Yes, definitely a huge upgrade over consoles. The longevity is only a little bit stronger on the 64 because its a little bit more powerful, but its not going to be THAT much longer. Like in a few years it may be the difference between having just enough FPS to make a game playable the way you want and not having enough FPS to be playable (the more I talk about it, the more the 56 is looking like the more sensible option, lol) I just tend to buy the most powerful GPU i can afford at the time as I want the most performance I can get, sometimes that extra 10 fps makes a difference if it means 50 fps vs 60 fps and since you can afford both, I'd get the 64. Hopefully that is enough information to help you make a informed decision.

Alright, thanks for the info! Based on this, I'll probably go with the Vega 56. Personally, I don't think 10 frames is worth $100 to me, and especially because the 1080 outperforms the Vega 64 for less, I might save the $100 to upgrade to a Gsync monitor later down the line. One question though: If I did switch to Nvidia and buy a 1080, with my 144hz monitor, would I get much tearing even without an Adaptive Sync? 

[EarthWormJM2]

4 minutes ago, Pyronyx said:

Alright, thanks for the info! Based on this, I'll probably go with the Vega 56. Personally, I don't think 10 frames is worth $100 to me, and especially because the 1080 outperforms the Vega 64 for less, I might save the $100 to upgrade to a Gsync monitor later down the line. One question though: If I did switch to Nvidia and buy a 1080, with my 144hz monitor, would I get much tearing even without an Adaptive Sync? 

I've been waiting for g-sync monitors to drop in price for awhile, the mark up on g-sync compared to freesync is ridiculous, lol. But as far as tearing, on 144hz monitors, there should be a setting in the monitor itself to limit the refresh rate to 60hz, 72hz, 100hz, or something like that. So then if you turn on v-sync in a game, it should lock to one of those settings and you wont have screen tearing. Some people say if the fps is 90+ they don't see any tearing on their 144hz monitors, but that hasn't been the case for me. But then again I am a bit picky, lol.

[thvSPARK]

2 minutes ago, EarthWormJM2 said:

I've been waiting for g-sync monitors to drop in price for awhile, the mark up on g-sync compared to freesync is ridiculous, lol. But as far as tearing, on 144hz monitors, there should be a setting in the monitor itself to limit the refresh rate to 60hz, 72hz, 100hz, or something like that. So then if you turn on v-sync in a game, it should lock to one of those settings and you wont have screen tearing. Some people say if the fps is 90+ they don't see any tearing on their 144hz monitors, but that hasn't been the case for me. But then again I am a bit picky, lol.

That is definitely something to think about. As far as I can tell, a GTX 1080 is better than an RX Vega 64 in every way (Even price!) and the only upside for a Vega 64 is that it supports Freesync. Also, especially coming from console and sometimes playing games on my Macbook, I'm not really the picky type, so do you think that the 1080 would be a better choice for me? It also does save me some money which I could use to put towards a Gsync monitor if needed.

[EarthWormJM2]

2 minutes ago, Pyronyx said:

That is definitely something to think about. As far as I can tell, a GTX 1080 is better than an RX Vega 64 in every way (Even price!) and the only upside for a Vega 64 is that it supports Freesync. Also, especially coming from console and sometimes playing games on my Macbook, I'm not really the picky type, so do you think that the 1080 would be a better choice for me? It also does save me some money which I could use to put towards a Gsync monitor if needed.

In my main rig I have this 1080: https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814137084 and I love it. But currently I am only playing on a 4k samsung tv at 60hz, no g-sync (so i have to tweak settings to get a locked 60 fps or play at 1440p). Since you have a freesync monitor already, getting a 56 is not a bad option. I dunno if you have seen freesync or g-sync live in action, but unless you start getting below ~40fps, it makes everything look buttery smooth. Which lets you push your settings a little further on the card while keeping the visual quality.

[thvSPARK]

7 minutes ago, EarthWormJM2 said:

In my main rig I have this 1080: https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814137084 and I love it. But currently I am only playing on a 4k samsung tv at 60hz, no g-sync (so i have to tweak settings to get a locked 60 fps or play at 1440p). Since you have a freesync monitor already, getting a 56 is not a bad option. I dunno if you have seen freesync or g-sync live in action, but unless you start getting below ~40fps, it makes everything look buttery smooth. Which lets you push your settings a little further on the card while keeping the visual quality.

Seeing the performance of the 1080 is far superior to both the Vega cards, and pricewise it lands right in the middle, I think it is the best choice for me. I have never played with Gsync or Freesync before, so I wouldn't be missing it, to put it one way. Also, the card you recommended has a promo right now where it comes with a $20 Steam card, so that's pretty nice.

[thvSPARK]

14 minutes ago, EarthWormJM2 said:

In my main rig I have this 1080: https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814137084 and I love it. But currently I am only playing on a 4k samsung tv at 60hz, no g-sync (so i have to tweak settings to get a locked 60 fps or play at 1440p). Since you have a freesync monitor already, getting a 56 is not a bad option. I dunno if you have seen freesync or g-sync live in action, but unless you start getting below ~40fps, it makes everything look buttery smooth. Which lets you push your settings a little further on the card while keeping the visual quality.

This card https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814487244&ignorebbr=1&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-PCPartPicker, LLC-_-na-_-na-_-na&cm_sp=&AID=10446076&PID=3938566&SID= comes with a free power supply! How about it?

[Guanzo]

TDP of Vega 64 is 295W

 

Not worth to buy Fail 64. Just buy 1070ti better. 

[EarthWormJM2]

7 minutes ago, Pyronyx said:

Seeing the performance of the 1080 is far superior to both the Vega cards, and pricewise it lands right in the middle, I think it is the best choice for me. I have never played with Gsync or Freesync before, so I wouldn't be missing it, to put it one way. Also, the card you recommended has a promo right now where it comes with a $20 Steam card, so that's pretty nice.

Yea, It is hard to justify the cost of AMD cards when nvidia cards are coming down in price now. I wasn't trying to convert you to nvidia as you stated you wanted AMD, but sometimes it just makes more sense. look at it this way, the vega 64 is roughly on par with the 1080 (slightly slower is most cases) BUT with freesync, those performance drops won't be noticed on the screen and with freesync it gives you the ability to push your card to the same visual quality as the 1080 (maybe even slightly higher) while maintaining smoothness. In terms or raw power and a better price point, yes the 1080 wins. However, if you go g-sync in the future, everything i just said goes out the window and nvidia wins lol.

11 minutes ago, Pyronyx said:

This card https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814487244&ignorebbr=1&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-PCPartPicker, LLC-_-na-_-na-_-na&cm_sp=&AID=10446076&PID=3938566&SID= comes with a free power supply! How about it?

That's not a bad deal if you need a psu. and a decent 1080, I personally just prefer MSI's cooling solutions better. but, I run my 1080 on a corsair cx 500 watt and have both cpu and gpu overclocked without and power issues, just fyi.

[thvSPARK]

2 minutes ago, Guanzo said:

TDP of Vega 64 is 295W

 

Not worth to buy Fail 64. Just buy 1070ti better. 

Mah gawd thats a lot of watts. Also, 1070 ti actually seems like a great card for my situation

[thvSPARK]

2 minutes ago, EarthWormJM2 said:

Yea, It is hard to justify the cost of AMD cards when nvidia cards are coming down in price now. I wasn't trying to convert you to nvidia as you stated you wanted AMD, but sometimes it just makes more sense. look at it this way, the vega 64 is roughly on par with the 1080 (slightly slower is most cases) BUT with freesync, those performance drops won't be noticed on the screen and with freesync it gives you the ability to push your card to the same visual quality as the 1080 (maybe even slightly higher) while maintaining smoothness. In terms or raw power and a better price point, yes the 1080 wins. However, if you go g-sync in the future, everything i just said goes out the window and nvidia wins lol.

Yeah, I'm glad you pointed all of this out to me, Nvidia does seem to be the better option, even though I have a Freesync monitor. The Vega cards seem to just be way too much money for what they are. Based on all of this, I probably will get Gsync in the future, so Nvidia seems to be the clear winner for me.

[thvSPARK]

6 minutes ago, EarthWormJM2 said:

That's not a bad deal if you need a psu. and a decent 1080, I personally just prefer MSI's cooling solutions better. but, I run my 1080 on a corsair cx 500 watt and have both cpu and gpu overclocked without and power issues, just fyi.

I do appreciate keeping hardware cool, and if 500 watts is enough, I could get the cooler GPU and save some on a higher quality PSU.

[thvSPARK]

18 minutes ago, EarthWormJM2 said:

That's not a bad deal if you need a psu. and a decent 1080, I personally just prefer MSI's cooling solutions better. but, I run my 1080 on a corsair cx 500 watt and have both cpu and gpu overclocked without and power issues, just fyi.

How's this build?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/p7RDzY

The SeaSonic 550W and 650W are the same price right now, so I just went with the higher one. The MSI 1080 and 1070 Ti were within around $40, and I feel that's justified.

[EarthWormJM2]

15 hours ago, Pyronyx said:

How's this build?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/p7RDzY

The SeaSonic 550W and 650W are the same price right now, so I just went with the higher one. The MSI 1080 and 1070 Ti were within around $40, and I feel that's justified.

If this is in your budget, Then this is a very solid build. Something like this should last you a couple of years. Especially since we have no idea when the next gen of GPUs are coming out. AMD is ALMOST there, maybe their next gen GPUs will be more worth it. But glad I could help!

[thvSPARK]

3 hours ago, EarthWormJM2 said:

If this is in your budget, Then this is a very solid build. Something like this should last you a couple of years. Especially since we have no idea when the next gen of GPUs are coming out. AMD is ALMOST there, maybe their next gen GPUs will be more worth it. But glad I could help!

Yeah, thanks a lot!