Gtx 650 working but 1050 Ti isn't

[LookAss]

Specs:

i5 2500

1050 Ti

450W Blueberry PSU

HP H67 Motherboard

8GB ram

1TB HDD

120GB SSD

 

Problem

I started to upgrade my old pc. Got an i5 2500 and a 1050 Ti. Without the gpu PC Works perfectly fine but when i plug in my 1050 it first beeps once and then after 20 seconds one time long and 3 times short. I tried to reset my CMOS, Update BIOS, Update every possible driver on win 10 and 7. Dvi and HDMI cable. And then my cousin came to my house with his PC. We plugged my 1050 Ti in his PC (Replacing a 650) and it worked perfectly good. Then i plugged his 650 in my PC and it worked. Now im like wtf is this. Can anyone help?

 

[monjessenstein]

Have you looked up the beep codes for your motherboard? Could be a good starting point. Aside from that I'd say check the power cables.

[Spotty]

Which 1050ti? (Maker and model #)
Which HP H67 motherboard? (Model #)

Which 450W Blueberry PSU (Model #)

 

[Demolishdude]

What is the maximum power output of the PCI connector for the gpu on your motherboard? Assuming it's an OEM unit meant for business desktops, they don't always support a full 75 watts (also assuming the 1050 ti unit isn't using the PSU).

 

Also, I looked on HP support and the two things I could find on those beep codes was either

1)

3 short beeps and 1 long beep

CPU configuration error or CPU type is not compatible

 

2)

4, 5, 6, 7 (# of beeps)

Fatal errors related to the operation of critical motherboard components - such as the CPU.

[Spotty]

15 minutes ago, Demolishdude said:

What is the maximum power output of the PCI connector for the gpu on your motherboard? Assuming it's an OEM unit meant for business desktops, they don't always support a full 75 watts (also assuming the 1050 ti unit isn't using the PSU).

I'm also thinking it's a power issue.
Those el'cheapo power supplies in prebuilt PCs aren't known for having great support when it comes to upgrading parts. If the 1050ti requires additional power but the PSU doesn't have PCIe connectors and/or OP isn't plugging them in then it could be the cause of the issue.

@LookAss Some models of the 1050ti require additional power from the power supply which requires plugging in a cable to the graphics card. Does your card require additional power? You can tell by checking whether or not the card has a plug on either the front or side of it like pictured below.

[LookAss]

22 minutes ago, Spotty said:

I'm also thinking it's a power issue.
Those el'cheapo power supplies in prebuilt PCs aren't known for having great support when it comes to upgrading parts. If the 1050ti requires additional power but the PSU doesn't have PCIe connectors and/or OP isn't plugging them in then it could be the cause of the issue.

@LookAss Some models of the 1050ti require additional power from the power supply which requires plugging in a cable to the graphics card. Does your card require additional power? You can tell by checking whether or not the card has a plug on either the front or side of it like pictured below.

Its a 1050 Ti Low profile. It doesn't require any aditional power. My pc works perfeclty without the gpu and with the 650. I made sure that every cable is connected properly.

[LookAss]

48 minutes ago, Spotty said:

Which 1050ti? (Maker and model #)
Which HP H67 motherboard? (Model #)

Which 450W Blueberry PSU (Model #)

 

1050 Ti MSI Low Profile

The mobo originaly came from a hp pavilion p6755a

The PSU model is PSB450

[Spotty]

4 minutes ago, LookAss said:

1050 Ti MSI Low Profile

The mobo originaly came from a hp pavilion p6755a

The PSU model is PSB450

As you mentioned that card does not require additional power from the PSU, so you're good on that front. Out of curiosity, does your cousins GTX 650 use additional power from the PSU with a 6pin connector that needs to be plugged in to the graphics card?

Checked the motherboard spec sheet and I can't see anything that would be a major issue https://support.hp.com/au-en/document/c02668523

I checked to see if there was any BIOS updates for the board, but the only BIOS version listed on HP website for it was from 2011.

 

It's getting pretty late for me here, and I'm not really sure what the cause is, so I'll have to leave it for someone else to help you out.

[LookAss]

1 minute ago, Spotty said:

As you mentioned that card does not require additional power from the PSU, so you're good on that front. Out of curiosity, does your cousins GTX 650 use additional power from the PSU with a 6pin connector that needs to be plugged in to the graphics card?

Checked the motherboard spec sheet and I can't see anything that would be a major issue https://support.hp.com/au-en/document/c02668523

I checked to see if there was any BIOS updates for the board, but the only BIOS version listed on HP website for it was from 2011.

 

It's getting pretty late for me here, and I'm not really sure what the cause is, so I'll have to leave it for someone else to help you out.

The 650 doesn't require any external power, I have the latest BIOS.

 

[LookAss]

On 02. 07. 2018. at 7:13 PM, Demolishdude said:

What is the maximum power output of the PCI connector for the gpu on your motherboard? Assuming it's an OEM unit meant for business desktops, they don't always support a full 75 watts (also assuming the 1050 ti unit isn't using the PSU).

 

Also, I looked on HP support and the two things I could find on those beep codes was either

1)

3 short beeps and 1 long beep

CPU configuration error or CPU type is not compatible

 

2)

4, 5, 6, 7 (# of beeps)

Fatal errors related to the operation of critical motherboard components - such as the CPU.

I swithched the PSU's (tried with my cousins psu which works with the 1050 Ti) and still the same thing. Tried with his old lga 1155 CPU and it didn't boot with any gpu.

[LookAss]

Any other idea?

 

[LookAss]

23 hours ago, Spotty said:

As you mentioned that card does not require additional power from the PSU, so you're good on that front. Out of curiosity, does your cousins GTX 650 use additional power from the PSU with a 6pin connector that needs to be plugged in to the graphics card?

Checked the motherboard spec sheet and I can't see anything that would be a major issue https://support.hp.com/au-en/document/c02668523

I checked to see if there was any BIOS updates for the board, but the only BIOS version listed on HP website for it was from 2011.

 

It's getting pretty late for me here, and I'm not really sure what the cause is, so I'll have to leave it for someone else to help you out.

I even switched the PSU, and still nothing. Any other idea what it could be?

[Jay Deah]

could be a BIOS incompatibility issue. that era of HP prebuilts have either Legacy bios or some sort of very early UEFI setup. and nvidia stopped full support for legacy bios at the 600 series

 

guy i was helping over email had the same problem recently when upgrading his 650ti system. in the end he had to buy a 600 series card (He bought a 670) for it to work with his PC even tho it technically had a UEFI bios, just the earliest ugliest looking one ive ever seen. for him he had the exact same bios error beep sequence you describe 

 

so i suyggedt you either buy a 670/680 second hand or look at upgrading the whole system

[LookAss]

5 hours ago, Jay Deah said:

could be a BIOS incompatibility issue. that era of HP prebuilts have either Legacy bios or some sort of very early UEFI setup. and nvidia stopped full support for legacy bios at the 600 series

 

guy i was helping over email had the same problem recently when upgrading his 650ti system. in the end he had to buy a 600 series card (He bought a 670) for it to work with his PC even tho it technically had a UEFI bios, just the earliest ugliest looking one ive ever seen. for him he had the exact same bios error beep sequence you describe 

 

so i suyggedt you either buy a 670/680 second hand or look at upgrading the whole system

I spent all of my money on this already. And a 680 requires a new psu.

I'm gonna try with my friends 1050(not Ti)  and then take my PC to a PC service. I could sell my current GPU and buy a 680 and a PSU.

[LookAss]

3 minutes ago, LookAss said:

I spent all of my money on this already. And a 680 requires a new psu.

I'm gonna try with my friends 1050(not Ti)  and then take my PC to a PC service. I could sell my current GPU and buy a 680 and a PSU.

I did update the BIOS to the latest version.

[LookAss]

8 minutes ago, LookAss said:

I spent all of my money on this already. And a 680 requires a new psu.

I'm gonna try with my friends 1050(not Ti)  and then take my PC to a PC service. I could sell my current GPU and buy a 680 and a PSU.

 

6 hours ago, Jay Deah said:

could be a BIOS incompatibility issue. that era of HP prebuilts have either Legacy bios or some sort of very early UEFI setup. and nvidia stopped full support for legacy bios at the 600 series

 

guy i was helping over email had the same problem recently when upgrading his 650ti system. in the end he had to buy a 600 series card (He bought a 670) for it to work with his PC even tho it technically had a UEFI bios, just the earliest ugliest looking one ive ever seen. for him he had the exact same bios error beep sequence you describe 

 

so i suyggedt you either buy a 670/680 second hand or look at upgrading the whole system

My cousin also has a shit HP motherboard and it works on his motherboard.

[Stefan Payne]

On 2.7.2018 at 7:02 PM, LookAss said:

450W Blueberry PSU

Could you pls make a picture of it and upload it here?

 

Its possible that that is the problem because of low quality components and lack of filtering.

Because auf the power saving mechanisms that might let the voltages go down and the PC crash.

 

Or the GPU is broken.

But I'd like to see a picture of the PSU Label to confirm my fears.

[Spotty]

49 minutes ago, Stefan Payne said:

Could you pls make a picture of it and upload it here?

 

On 7/3/2018 at 4:04 AM, LookAss said:

The PSU model is PSB450

It's just the typical garbage that gets thrown in to pre-builts. The issue isn't that it's crashing while in use/under load, the problem is the computer won't even POST when the card is installed.
http://www.blueberry-eu.com/uploads/downloads/psb450_productsheet.pdf

 

2 hours ago, LookAss said:

I did update the BIOS to the latest version.

The latest, and only, BIOS version for your motherboard I could find is from 2011.


https://support.hp.com/us-en/drivers/selfservice/HP-Pavilion-p6000-Desktop-PC-series/5035348/model/5036187

 

 

2 hours ago, LookAss said:

My cousin also has a shit HP motherboard and it works on his motherboard.

What model motherboard does your cousin have that it worked on?
It really does seem like it is a compatibility issue with the motherboard/BIOS. Unfortunately HP isn't going to be releasing any updates for their 7 year old motherboards so if that is indeed the case, there won't be a lot you can do short of buying a new motherboard.

 

[Pip313]

It’s the bios, sorry. But old dell’s of that gen work, hp’s don’t. We get this question a lot.

[Stefan Payne]

3 hours ago, Spotty said:

 

It's just the typical garbage that gets thrown in to pre-builts. The issue isn't that it's crashing while in use/under load, the problem is the computer won't even POST when the card is installed.
http://www.blueberry-eu.com/uploads/downloads/psb450_productsheet.pdf

 

 

Urgh, its worse than I thought. 16A on +12V really doesn't look promising. That one should be replaced ASAP...

[homeap5]

I was similar problem once. It was mainboard, some crappy old Gigabyte with not enough power comes to pci-e for run any better or modern GPU. Replaced with old used Asus for 25$ and works great.

 

I think your HP mobo is even more crap than my old Gigabyte.

[LookAss]

It's the BIOS/UEFI problem. My cousins BIOS is from 2014. On another forum some guy said that EVGA will recognise a legacy BIOS. I tried it with a Gigabyte 1050 and it didn't work. I have a friend with an XFX Rx 560. Is there any possibility that AMD could work? Also my cousin is buying a 1050 Ti soon and what brand could work for me. We will switch if there is one. Or at least try out one that could work.

[Stefan Payne]

5 hours ago, LookAss said:

It's the BIOS/UEFI problem. My cousins BIOS is from 2014. On another forum some guy said that EVGA will recognise a legacy BIOS. I tried it with a Gigabyte 1050 and it didn't work. I have a friend with an XFX Rx 560. Is there any possibility that AMD could work? Also my cousin is buying a 1050 Ti soon and what brand could work for me. We will switch if there is one. Or at least try out one that could work.

You should replace the PSU anyway...

[LookAss]

On 04. 07. 2018. at 5:50 AM, Spotty said:

 

It's just the typical garbage that gets thrown in to pre-builts. The issue isn't that it's crashing while in use/under load, the problem is the computer won't even POST when the card is installed.
http://www.blueberry-eu.com/uploads/downloads/psb450_productsheet.pdf

 

The latest, and only, BIOS version for your motherboard I could find is from 2011.


https://support.hp.com/us-en/drivers/selfservice/HP-Pavilion-p6000-Desktop-PC-series/5035348/model/5036187

 

 

What model motherboard does your cousin have that it worked on?
It really does seem like it is a compatibility issue with the motherboard/BIOS. Unfortunately HP isn't going to be releasing any updates for their 7 year old motherboards so if that is indeed the case, there won't be a lot you can do short of buying a new motherboard.

 

Hey the guy who sold me the motherboard is really nice and wants to switch the motherboard. He has a DELL one at a simmilar price range and will it work with a 1050 Ti?

[Spotty]

2 minutes ago, LookAss said:

Hey the guy who sold me the motherboard is really nice and wants to switch the motherboard. He has a DELL one at a simmilar price range and will it work with a 1050 Ti?

I honestly have no idea. I wouldn't count on it; DELL isn't that much better than HP when it comes to updating their old BIOS's for OEM boards.

Are you trading with the seller in person? Would it be possible to take the graphics card and other system parts to them and test whether it will work in the other motherboard before you purchase it?