Thanks for Your Advice, Here's Attempt #2 at My 1st Gaming PC

[TaylorDean16]

Hey guys, thanks for everyone's help on my original post! Using advice I got from there as well as from reddit, here is what I now have for my build. A lot about the pc itself has changed, and I've also decided to shell out the extra cash for a 144hz display. Huge credit goes to u/bewmsday on reddit with most of the actual pc stuff. Once again, are there any compatibility issues? Should I get more fans? Is this power supply good enough? Will there be any bottlenecking? Do you have a complete setup just as good or better at the same price? I Will add that I'm willing to spend a few extra bucks here and there if it means better performance. 

Thanks!!

 

PCPartPicker part list: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/LXPg3b

Price breakdown by merchant: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/LXPg3b/by_merchant/

 

CPU: Intel - Core i5-8600K 3.6GHz 6-Core Processor  ($238.99 @ Amazon) 

CPU Cooler: CRYORIG - H7 49.0 CFM CPU Cooler  ($34.99 @ Amazon) 

Thermal Compound: ARCTIC - MX4 4g Thermal Paste  ($4.29 @ SuperBiiz) 

Motherboard: MSI - Z370 TOMAHAWK ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($111.88 @ OutletPC) 

Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory  ($158.99 @ Newegg) 

Storage: Kingston - A400 120GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($38.31 @ Amazon) 

Storage: Seagate - Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($58.87 @ OutletPC) 

Video Card: MSI - GeForce GTX 1080 8GB GAMING X 8G Video Card  ($539.99 @ Newegg) 

Case: Corsair - Carbide SPEC-04 TG ATX Mid Tower Case  ($59.99 @ Amazon) 

Power Supply: EVGA - BQ 500W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($29.99 @ B&H) 

Wireless Network Adapter: TP-Link - TL-WDN4800 PCI-Express x1 802.11a/b/g/n Wi-Fi Adapter  ($35.85 @ Amazon) 

Case Fan: Corsair - ML120 Pro LED Red 75.0 CFM  120mm Fan  ($27.31 @ Amazon) 

Case Fan: Corsair - ML120 Pro LED Red 75.0 CFM  120mm Fan  ($27.31 @ Amazon) 

Total: $1366.76

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-06-21 10:36 EDT-0400

 

Other Stuff:

 

Keyboard

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=32N-001R-00021&cm_re=cherry_mx_blue-_-32N-001R-00021-_-Product

 

Mouse (I'm not a pro gamer so mouse performance isn't SUPER important. As long as it looks cool in black and red but is still actually a decent mouse)

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16826197148

 

144hz Display

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824011182&cm_re=monitor-_-24-011-182-_-Product

 

Mousepad

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00J2EF4K6/ref=as_li_qf_asin_il_tl?ie=UTF8&tag=pewdieproduct-20&creative=9325&linkCode=as2&creativeASIN=B00J2EF4K6&linkId=91abf2ece231d6b618d799120122a8dc

 

 

UPDATE

Based on everyone's suggestions, here are the changes I made.

1. Switched PSU to Corsair - CX (2017) 550W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply

2. Switched CPU from i5 8600k to 8400 (Had no noticeable difference in gaming, especially with my graphics card)

3. Bigger SSD

4. Better WiFi card

 

Everything's looking pretty good to me at this point. If anyone knows another cool case that will fit all this stuff for cheap, I'd love to hear it! Thanks for all the help guys!

Edited June 21, 2018 by TaylorDean16
Update on what's changed in the build without reading through all comments

[EarthWormJM2]

I think that is a very solid build. I don't see any incompatabilities there. I would say if you want to shell out the $$ a 1080ti will give you more performance, but that really only applies if you are looking to play in 4k or extremely high refresh rates. Maybe a larger SSD so you can fit some of the big games with long load times on it to speed up those load times. but neither of those are necessary. I'd say you done good kid.

[Taf the Ghost]

It's okay, but you might want to move up a tier or two in the PSU tier rankings.

 

 

Other thing: why the 8600k? Generally either the 8400 or the 8700(k) are the suggested options in the 8th Gen.

[Lurick]

Swapped the PSU to something of better quality and the WiFi card around to allow more functionality down the road.

Changed the SSD to a bigger SSD for a few bucks more.

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i5-8600K 3.6GHz 6-Core Processor  ($238.99 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: CRYORIG - H7 49.0 CFM CPU Cooler  ($34.99 @ Amazon)
Thermal Compound: ARCTIC - MX4 4g Thermal Paste  ($4.29 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: MSI - Z370 TOMAHAWK ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($111.88 @ OutletPC)
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory  ($158.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Team - L5 LITE 3D 240GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate - Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($58.87 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: MSI - GeForce GTX 1080 8GB GAMING X 8G Video Card  ($539.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Corsair - Carbide SPEC-04 TG ATX Mid Tower Case  ($59.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: Corsair - CX (2017) 550W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply  ($29.99 @ Newegg)
Wireless Network Adapter: Gigabyte - GC-WB867D-I PCI-Express x1 802.11a/b/g/n/ac Wi-Fi Adapter  ($33.89 @ OutletPC)
Case Fan: Corsair - ML120 Pro LED Red 75.0 CFM  120mm Fan  ($27.31 @ Amazon)
Case Fan: Corsair - ML120 Pro LED Red 75.0 CFM  120mm Fan  ($27.31 @ Amazon)
Total: $1376.48
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-06-21 11:13 EDT-0400

[EarthWormJM2]

Also, you may what a higher resolution monitor. With that cpu/gpu combo, you can really push 60+ fps at 1440p (2k) with max settings in almost every game. The increased resolution may be worth it, unless you really want to be hitting that 144hz.

[Olagine]

Yup. Still though, in my opinion the case isnt the best - it's not too pretty and if you have this kind of hardware, shell out 10 or 20 bucks more, it'll do you good. 

[Olagine]

7 minutes ago, EarthWormJM2 said:

Also, you may what a higher resolution monitor. With that cpu/gpu combo, you can really push 60+ fps at 1440p (2k) with max settings in almost every game. The increased resolution may be worth it, unless you really want to be hitting that 144hz.

He can always get a secondary display down the line. 21:9 1440p perhaps?

[TaylorDean16]

32 minutes ago, EarthWormJM2 said:

I think that is a very solid build. I don't see any incompatabilities there. I would say if you want to shell out the $$ a 1080ti will give you more performance, but that really only applies if you are looking to play in 4k or extremely high refresh rates. Maybe a larger SSD so you can fit some of the big games with long load times on it to speed up those load times. but neither of those are necessary. I'd say you done good kid.

Thanks! I might upgrade to a better graphics card down the road, but this should be plenty for me right now. Since it's my first setup, I also have to worry about getting a monitor and keyboard which I probably won't worry about for a long time. And I know SSDs give faster load times, so why don't people only use an SSD as their only storage device? Is it just because storing stuff besides some games and the OS is just overkill for the price? Either way, I'll definitely look into a larger SSD.

[TaylorDean16]

35 minutes ago, Lurick said:

Swapped the PSU to something of better quality and the WiFi card around to allow more functionality down the road.

Changed the SSD to a bigger SSD for a few bucks more.

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i5-8600K 3.6GHz 6-Core Processor  ($238.99 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: CRYORIG - H7 49.0 CFM CPU Cooler  ($34.99 @ Amazon)
Thermal Compound: ARCTIC - MX4 4g Thermal Paste  ($4.29 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: MSI - Z370 TOMAHAWK ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($111.88 @ OutletPC)
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory  ($158.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Team - L5 LITE 3D 240GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate - Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($58.87 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: MSI - GeForce GTX 1080 8GB GAMING X 8G Video Card  ($539.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Corsair - Carbide SPEC-04 TG ATX Mid Tower Case  ($59.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: Corsair - CX (2017) 550W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply  ($29.99 @ Newegg)
Wireless Network Adapter: Gigabyte - GC-WB867D-I PCI-Express x1 802.11a/b/g/n/ac Wi-Fi Adapter  ($33.89 @ OutletPC)
Case Fan: Corsair - ML120 Pro LED Red 75.0 CFM  120mm Fan  ($27.31 @ Amazon)
Case Fan: Corsair - ML120 Pro LED Red 75.0 CFM  120mm Fan  ($27.31 @ Amazon)
Total: $1376.48
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-06-21 11:13 EDT-0400

Looks solid to me! I forgot to change the PSU, a few people recommended it before too. As for the wifi card, I'll trust you on it, but what do you mean by allowing it to have more functionality down the road? Is it just faster?

[TaylorDean16]

33 minutes ago, Olagine said:

Yup. Still though, in my opinion the case isnt the best - it's not too pretty and if you have this kind of hardware, she'll our 10 or 20 bucks more, it'll do you good. 

Do you have any kind of recommendations for cases that fit all this stuff in it? I'm definitely no expert on who makes the good ones or where to find a cool one.

[TaylorDean16]

38 minutes ago, EarthWormJM2 said:

Also, you may what a higher resolution monitor. With that cpu/gpu combo, you can really push 60+ fps at 1440p (2k) with max settings in almost every game. The increased resolution may be worth it, unless you really want to be hitting that 144hz.

I usually prefer the 144hz stuff. I can definitely tell the difference in how much nicer a 4k display looks than a 1080p one, but I'm usually more interested in higher fps. It might be a combo of growing up with playing graphically challenged nintendo consoles (compared to xbox and playstation) and a little bit of ptsd from playing every single game I own at 20fps with the lowest settings on my laptop.

[TaylorDean16]

44 minutes ago, Taf the Ghost said:

It's okay, but you might want to move up a tier or two in the PSU tier rankings.

 

 

Other thing: why the 8600k? Generally either the 8400 or the 8700(k) are the suggested options in the 8th Gen.

Added a better PSU, and I did some very basic research when I picked the 8600k. I just read around a bit on random sites and came to the conclusion that I want an 8th gen chip, the i7 is really expensive, and multiple sites said the 8th gen i5 was good for gaming. From there I saw that the 8400k had a stock clock speed of 2.8GHz and the 8600k had 3.6GHz, so I went for the higher clock speed. If you have a better explanation on why I should choose which chip, I'd love to hear it! That was just my super basic thought process.

[Taf the Ghost]

2 minutes ago, TaylorDean16 said:

Added a better PSU, and I did some very basic research when I picked the 8600k. I just read around a bit on random sites and came to the conclusion that I want an 8th gen chip, the i7 is really expensive, and multiple sites said the 8th gen i5 was good for gaming. From there I saw that the 8400k had a stock clock speed of 2.8GHz and the 8600k had 3.6GHz, so I went for the higher clock speed. If you have a better explanation on why I should choose which chip, I'd love to hear it! That was just my super basic thought process.

4.0 Ghz single core on the 8400 vs 4.3 Ghz single core on the 8600k. Unless you're OC'ing hard, the 8600k brings almost no testable gaming performance difference.

[Lurick]

22 minutes ago, TaylorDean16 said:

Looks solid to me! I forgot to change the PSU, a few people recommended it before too. As for the wifi card, I'll trust you on it, but what do you mean by allowing it to have more functionality down the road? Is it just faster?

Yah, if you upgrade to an AC capable router it will be able to take advantage of that without any new hardware needed in the PC itself.

[TaylorDean16]

4 minutes ago, Taf the Ghost said:

4.0 Ghz single core on the 8400 vs 4.3 Ghz single core on the 8600k. Unless you're OC'ing hard, the 8600k brings almost no testable gaming performance difference.

Ah I see. Yeah this is going to primarily be for gaming so if there isn't a real difference for that, then I'm down to save a few extra bucks. How much of a difference will overclocking make? and I'm guessing that you're basing their similar performance on them both being overclocked?

[TaylorDean16]

3 minutes ago, Lurick said:

Yah, if you upgrade to an AC capable router it will be able to take advantage of that without any new hardware needed in the PC itself.

Oh gotcha. Works for me then, thanks!

[Taf the Ghost]

1 minute ago, TaylorDean16 said:

Ah I see. Yeah this is going to primarily be for gaming so if there isn't a real difference for that, then I'm down to save a few extra bucks. How much of a difference will overclocking make? and I'm guessing that you're basing their similar performance on them both being overclocked?

Without a 1080 Ti, almost none. That's why we recommend saving the 50USD and getting the 8400. Or going up a little further for the 8700 (non-k). In the past, the x600k part had enough space from the ones below to make a useful purchase. Isn't really true in this generation.

[Taf the Ghost]

https://www.techspot.com/review/1613-amd-ryzen-2700x-2600x/page3.html

 

Has the 8700k, 8600k and 8400 on there. Can also see what little it does, with a 1080 Ti, cranking them up to 5.2 Ghz.

[TaylorDean16]

5 minutes ago, Taf the Ghost said:

Without a 1080 Ti, almost none. That's why we recommend saving the 50USD and getting the 8400. Or going up a little further for the 8700 (non-k). In the past, the x600k part had enough space from the ones below to make a useful purchase. Isn't really true in this generation.

Ok so it seems like the 8600 isn't the way to go. If it were you, do you think it would be worth it to pay extra for the 8700 to future proof a little bit (new graphics card down the road) or just save the money now since the 8400 is just fine for this build? How often do people upgrade their graphics card, and would the 8400 still be strong enough that it wouldn't bottleneck a newer graphics card maybe a year or two down the road?

[Taf the Ghost]

2 minutes ago, TaylorDean16 said:

Ok so it seems like the 8600 isn't the way to go. If it were you, do you think it would be worth it to pay extra for the 8700 to future proof a little bit (new graphics card down the road) or just save the money now since the 8400 is just fine for this build? How often do people upgrade their graphics card, and would the 8400 still be strong enough that it wouldn't bottleneck a newer graphics card maybe a year or two down the road?

For maximum utility in gaming, I'd get the 8700 (non-k) on a Z370 and push the memory timings as far as I could get. 3200 or 3400 with really tight timings (would take some hand-tuning) will extra maximum performance from at least the next full generation of GPUs. Likely 2 full generations. After that, improvements in I/O will allow new CPUs to perform better.

[TaylorDean16]

4 minutes ago, Taf the Ghost said:

https://www.techspot.com/review/1613-amd-ryzen-2700x-2600x/page3.html

 

Yeah it looked like at MOST, there was maybe a 10fps difference between the two, but usually the same give or take 1fps, and that was with the 1080 ti giving them all the room in the world to run at their max potential. Anyways, my pc gaming life has always consisted of cranking all settings to minimum in 720p with 45fps max in the worlds most optimized game from 2012. Definitely seems like the 8400 is the way to go here, thank you!

[TaylorDean16]

8 minutes ago, Taf the Ghost said:

For maximum utility in gaming, I'd get the 8700 (non-k) on a Z370 and push the memory timings as far as I could get. 3200 or 3400 with really tight timings (would take some hand-tuning) will extra maximum performance from at least the next full generation of GPUs. Likely 2 full generations. After that, improvements in I/O will allow new CPUs to perform better.

Gotcha. I think the 8400 will end up lasting long enough to me. By the time I feel the need to upgrade the graphics card, I'll probably need to upgrade a lot more stuff in there anyways. Thanks!

[Taf the Ghost]

1 minute ago, TaylorDean16 said:

Gotcha. I think the 8400 will end up lasting long enough to me. By the time I feel the need to upgrade the graphics card, I'll probably need to upgrade a lot more stuff in there anyways. Thanks!

It'll have a good life. It'll be a while before it's just bad code that'll cause it issues.

[TaylorDean16]

3 minutes ago, Taf the Ghost said:

It'll have a good life. It'll be a while before it's just bad code that'll cause it issues.

Sweet! By the way, another guy was saying to get a different case. Do you have any cases that you'd recommend? In particular, I was going for a black and red look, but not one that's too expensive. Any ideas?

[Jtalk4456]

My Case Recommendation

http://www.coolermaster.com/case/mid-tower/masterbox-mb600l/

part picker says it's $50 on newegg