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3 hours ago, valdyrgramr said:

So, should id/Zenimax then sue PUBG's maker for making a FPS?

Yes they should sue. Why not.

 

 

2 hours ago, spartaman64 said:

they said they might sue epic games but they didnt carry through with the threat at the time

Well they better sue, sue sue sue sue.

 

 

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https://www.unrealengine.com/en-US/eula

 

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Epic may use your trademarks, service marks, trade names, and logos used with any Product, as well as publicly released screen shots and video content from the Product, in connection with Epic’s marketing, advertisement, and promotion of the Unreal® Engine in any and all media without restriction.

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1 minute ago, Peskanova said:

https://www.unrealengine.com/en-US/eula

 

For the people thinking that epic may used pubg for themselves

Might be misintepreting you, if so im sorry. But it looks like that clause is for advertising the Unreal Engine, not another Epic game. 

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6 hours ago, Mooshi said:

2) Would love to see the rights to use Unreal Engine revoked in response.

 

Epic will probably countersue for damages, what a salty snowflake Greene is. 

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Kinda interesting the company is called Bluehole.

First: they sound more green with envy.

Second: they missed the 'ass' in the middle of the name.

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Right, because they invented BR and such type of gameplay they have and nothing their game haves wasn't on games prior it, sure... 

Would be funny to see Epic Games revokes UE access to them. 

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This is hilarious!

 

PUBG Corp should start selling salt, they seem to be producing metric tons of them xD

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4 hours ago, Sauron said:

In other news, id software sues everyone ever.

Not before William Higinbotham comes back from the dead to sue them.

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My two cents:

 

PUBG was never optimized for multiple platforms, while Fortnite in a matter of weeks was already X-mixing players from all platforms. PUBG if it was the first it was never the last, it helped cement the foundation of the BR genre, Marketing dept from Epic is just better, even the sub reddit from fortnite has Staff listening to the audience 24/7. Overall Epic did a better job at giving to the people what they want and that is what ultimately sank PUBG who never listened to all that we. the players, had to say. 

 

 

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wasnt the whole koth battle royale thing in H1Z1 Also so maybe Daybreak should sue pubG

 

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1)  The shooter style we know and love is basically owned by id/zenimax, no grounds to sue.

2)  PUBG = a copy pasta and mod of Dayz, to use their argument against them.

3) The battle royale concept dates back to at least 1978 with Armor Battle, no grounds to sue.

4)  They're in contract with EPIC already by using their engine/sw, so they're basically fucking themselves.

5)  Are tickets to this lawsuit available?  I need to see more comedies.

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14 minutes ago, Darkmaster29 said:

 Overall Epic did a better job at giving to the people what they want and that is what ultimately sank PUBG who never listened to all that we. the players, had to say.

Basically, PUBG devs got too greedy for their own good and decided to milk the absolute crap out of it and even threatening litigation against other BR games they deem to be "imitations", while seemingly turning a deaf ear towards community requests and critique.

 

If PUBG falls, then they deserve it. They had a shot of being a trend that would last for years, like CS:GO and others, but instead of continuing to support the game by fixing its issues, optimizing the servers plus netcode along with implementing community requested features, they decided to follow the money and basically became an indie-version of EA and Activision combined, while also sometimes one-upping both of them.

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10 minutes ago, Eroda said:

wasnt the whole koth battle royale thing in H1Z1 Also so maybe Daybreak should sue pubG

 

Ya, this is a lawsuit on the grounds of PUBG looking in the mirror and saying, "go fuck yourself!"  xD  

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1 minute ago, D13H4RD2L1V3 said:

Basically, PUBG devs got too greedy for their own good and decided to milk the absolute crap out of it and even threatening litigation against other BR games they deem to be "imitations", while seemingly turning a deaf ear towards community requests and critique.

Exactly, "we're mad that you're doing better!  We have 0 grounds to sue therefore we're suing you for reasons!"

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1 minute ago, valdyrgramr said:

Exactly, "we're mad that you're doing better!  We have 0 grounds to sue therefore we're suing you for reasons!"

That's indeed what it is.

 

I can't see it as anything other than Bluehole shooting themselves in the foot and getting fucked over by their own short-sightedness from their sheer greed, especially since the developers of Fortnite. Epic, also develops the Unreal Engine, the core engine that powers PUBG.

 

Suing the developers of an engine that you got a license for pretty much almost guarantees that you'll probably end up on some sort of naughty list

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There's plenty of folk justifying the lawsuit. While ultimately, it'd be nice to have a videogame specific precedent (if we don't already have one that is) that says 'No you can't really sue for copycats, only direct infringement' you guys don't seem to realize how often this happens.

 

I'll give you an example: One of my favorite TV shows it's kind of a guilty pleasure: Law & Order. This show goes waaaay back to a time where many of you were either toddlers or not born. The show was very successful and his producer, Dick Wolf decided to create spin-off shows himself with the now hit and on-going show Law & Order: SVU and the far better but acquired taste version Law & Order: Criminal Intent (Seriously Vincent D'Onofrio fucking rules and replacing him with Jeff Goldblum was kind of genius but I digress)

 

This is such a common practice now that later on, another hit show CSI decided to almost immediately launch it's spin off show CSI: Miami and this time the producers of the show stated they did so specifically because they knew they had a very successful formula that was fresh so they anticipated they would have copycat shows so they just decided to do those copy shows themselves the very next year after the initial season and then the New York show as a third just 4 years into the original show.

 

You see when you create something rather innovative it can create a brand new market. The entertainment history has so much experience with this that they can actually anticipate this and try to get ahead of the increased demand before competitors try to saturate the market and wrestle control away.

 

They realize this is a much more effective and profitable way to deal with the problem of copycats than just suing and waiting years and years for a resolution. They also realize that if they already have the success of the first show and the momentum they've got to utilize it.

 

This are lessons that guys like Activision, Ubi or EA already know but that indie devs looking at the success of PUBG need to learn: you need to be ready to either very rapidly expand and capitalize on the success of your release or to be happy with the more moderate success and just use it not as a direct push for a new market but as a launching platform for future endevours.

 

Suing is a big boys move and honestly PlayerUnknown isn't big enough but could manage the other trick and saturate the market himself.

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There's plenty of folk justifying the lawsuit. While ultimately, it'd be nice to have a videogame specific precedent (if we don't already have one that is) that says 'No you can't really sue for copycats, only direct infringement' you guys don't seem to realize how often this is.

 

I'll give you an example: One of my favorite TV shows it's kind of a guilty pleasure: Law & Order. This show goes waaaay back to a time where many of you were either toddlers or not born. The show was very successful and his producer, Dick Wolf decided to create spin-off shows himself with the now hit and on-going show Law & Order: SVU and the far better but acquired taste version Law & Order: Criminal Intent (Seriously Vincent D'Onofrio fucking rules and replacing him with Jeff Goldblum was kind of genius but I digress)

 

This is such a common practice now that later on, another hit show CSI decided to almost immediately launch it's spin off show CSI: Miami and this time the producers of the show stated they did so specifically because they knew they had a very successful formula that was fresh so they anticipated they would have copycat shows so they just decided to do those copy shows themselves the very next year after the initial season and then the New York show as a third just 4 years into the original show.

 

You see when you create something rather innovative it can create a brand new market. The entertainment history has so much experience with this that they can actually anticipate this and try to get ahead of the increased demand before competitors try to saturate the market and wrestle control away.

 

They realize this is a much more effective and profitable way to deal with the problem of copycats than just suing and waiting years and years for a resolution. They also realize that if they already have the success of the first show and the momentum they've got to utilize it.

 

This are lessons that guys like Activision, Ubi or EA already know but that indie devs looking at the success of PUBG need to learn: you need to be ready to either very rapidly expand and capitalize on the success of your release or to be happy with the more moderate success and just use it not as a direct push for a new market but as a launching platform for future endevours.

 

Suing is a big boys move and honestly PlayerUnknown isn't big enough.

Problem is that PUBG didn't create this style, they didn't create the shooter, they didn't create video games, they didn't innovate shit, and they're suing the company that they are licensed to use sw to run and make their own damn game.   It's not a copycat of anything they own, and they're just as guilty of copying quite a few others. 

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Problem is that PUBG didn't create this style, they didn't create the shooter, they didn't create video games, they didn't innovate shit, and they're suing the company that they are licensed to use sw to run and make their own damn game.   It's not a copycat of anything they own, and they're just as guilty of copying quite a few others. 

Indeed, they didn't create anything, but they did re-popularize it.

 

But instead of capitalizing on that newfound glory, they decided to be asshats about it

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Just now, D13H4RD2L1V3 said:

Indeed, they didn't create anything, but they did re-popularize it.

 

But instead of capitalizing on that newfound glory, they decided to be asshats about it

Did they, though?  It was just a mod and copycat of Dayz.

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Just now, valdyrgramr said:

Did they, though?  It was just a mod and copycat of Dayz.

Well, to my eyes, yeah. Everyone in my circles doesn't stop talking about it and Battle Royale became a trend after.

 

With all that said, I wish people wouldn't equate BR to just PUBG.

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Just now, D13H4RD2L1V3 said:

Well, to my eyes, yeah. Everyone in my circles doesn't stop talking about it and Battle Royale became a trend after.

 

With all that said, I wish people wouldn't equate BR to just PUBG.

Well, PUBG is trying to act like they created the BR which the whole lawsuit is being argued over.  PUBG is literally arguing that they created the Battle Royale, and that's why they're suing Epic games.  PUBG was just a mod of DayZ, and H1Z1 and Dayz were things before PUBG was, so it's not like it was the one that brought it back from the dead.  Sure, it might have helped with popularity...but it's not the one that made it popular.

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23 minutes ago, Eroda said:

wasnt the whole koth battle royale thing in H1Z1 Also so maybe Daybreak should sue pubG

 

The person that started the Battle royale mode for H1Z1 is the person that made pubg, why would he sue himself?

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9 minutes ago, valdyrgramr said:

Problem is that PUBG didn't create this style, they didn't create the shooter, they didn't create video games, they didn't innovate shit, and they're suing the company that they are licensed to use sw to run and make their own damn game.   It's not a copycat of anything they own, and they're just as guilty of copying quite a few others. 

CSI didn't create the cop drama either. In fact about the only thing new it did with it was "Focusing" (a.k.a. misrepresenting) on the crime scene lab and that drama.

 

But yes: this goes to show that my proposed strategy would work far better than a petty lawsuit that will get them nowhere. The problem is that PUBG was developed as an indie game and it shows: they had no plan to follow it up quickly and efficiently.

 

Say what you want about AAA Publishers but they're making as much money as they make today because they do foresee every new franchise as a potential long stream of sequels or otherwise copycat games to keep themselves locked to that genre.

 

Truth to be told just about anybody could do what Battlefield or specially CoD do but nobody has their success and brand to do it yearly so they basically have build niches of their style not via lawsuits because they also did nothing new themselves aside from combining a few aspects that existed elsewhere but they capitalized on it.

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4 minutes ago, Misanthrope said:

CSI didn't create the cop drama either. In fact about the only thing new it did with it was "Focusing" (a.k.a. misrepresenting) on the crime scene lab and that drama.

 

But yes: this goes to show that my proposed strategy would work far better than a petty lawsuit that will get them nowhere. The problem is that PUBG was developed as an indie game and it shows: they had no plan to follow it up quickly and efficiently.

 

Say what you want about AAA Publishers but they're making as much money as they make today because they do foresee every new franchise as a potential long stream of sequels or otherwise copycat games to keep themselves locked to that genre.

 

Truth to be told just about anybody could do what Battlefield or specially CoD but nobody has their success and brand to do it yearly so they basically have build niches of their style not via lawsuits because they also did nothing new themselves aside from combining a few aspects that existed elsewhere but they capitalized on it.

I'm just going to die of laughter when this gets thrown out of court.  This would be like Valve suing id for making an FPS.  Cuz Valve not only used an engine that John Carmack made, but id also had a massive impact on the shooter genre.

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