12 KILOMETER Wi-Fi - SUCCESS!!!

[James]

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In an epic 6 month saga we set out to beam WiFi over distances way farther than it was ever supposed to go.

 

 

[Shreyas1]

Nice job. Now only if I could get WiFi to reach my room.

[ivoto]

ive done 40km mikrotik setup with 2 dishes 400mb in one direction before 6 years

[babadoctor]

i wonder how much interference it can handle before connection is cut

[3 Lions]

What a view...

 

[mark_cameron]

So what's the purpose of this if you need direct line of site?

 

What's the law governing this?

 

What frequencies are you using?

[Saik0Shinigami]

Get on my distance Linus. On days where nature cooperates I get upwards of 300 mbps. Not bad for living in the middle of nowhere... My neighbors get 1.5mbps dsl, when it wants to work.

[ERSCreeper]

26 minutes ago, mark_cameron said:

So what's the purpose of this if you need direct line of site?

 

What's the law governing this?

 

What frequencies are you using?

High speed internet over a long distance. We use this a lot in our business (ISP) to provide up to 100Mbps internet in locations where Fiber doesn't exist and there is only DSL with max speeds of around 6Mbps average.

 

Depending on the frequencies used. In my country 2.4Ghz & 5Ghz is free to use by public (Same as home WiFi freq) where as other frequencies are licensed. Consult your local authorities regarding public usable frequencies. (2.4Ghz & 5.8Ghz is usable in almost all countries as again home wireless uses these.)

 

Majority of Ubiquiti wireless gear is running on either 2.4Ghz or 5Ghz. Some of their products like AirFibre runs on 11Ghz and higher like 24Ghz

https://airmax.ubnt.com/.

 

The gear Linus was using ran on 5Ghz using the AirMax protocol. 

Radio: https://www.ubnt.com/airmax/rocket-prism-ac/

Antennae: https://www.ubnt.com/airmax/rocketdish-lw/

[AlexTheGreatish]

12 minutes ago, mark_cameron said:

So what's the purpose of this if you need direct line of site?

 

What's the law governing this?

 

What frequencies are you using?

- Put some dishes on towers, beam Wi-Fi.  I think they are primarily used for getting internet to places that would be otherwise difficult to get to (islands, up hills, places with little to no infrastructure etc.)

 

- In Canada I think you can just do it and no one will care, but in Europe they can be a bit more strict

 

- Not sure, think it's lower frequencies but don't quote me on that

[Bouzoo]

Not to go into this again, but what in the actual hell is that abomination in thumbnail?

[ERSCreeper]

1 hour ago, Shreyas1 said:

Nice job. Now only if I could get WiFi to reach my room.

If you need WiFi in a certain room that doesn't get signal I would suggest something like this https://www.ubnt.com/unifi/unifi-ap-ac-lite/

[Bananasplit_00]

2 minutes ago, Nicholas Marzio said:

If you need WiFi in a certain room that doesn't get signal I would suggest something like this https://www.ubnt.com/unifi/unifi-ap-ac-lite/

those are just amazing, dont have one myself but have helped setting some up in a building with meter thick concrete walls and wifi just works

[ERSCreeper]

Just now, Bananasplit_00 said:

those are just amazing, dont have one myself but have helped setting some up in a building with meter thick concrete walls and wifi just works

Yeah we install like 20+ a week if not more  Love them a lot

Running the older non AC models at home since I got them for free. Still get my full 50Mbps line speed over the 2.4Ghz wireless

[Aprime]

1 hour ago, LinusTechTipsFanFromDarlo said:

What a view...

 

On a good day (e.g. most of last year when we weren't getting smoked or rained on, dunno what's up this year with the low vis.) you can see Mt. Baker in the distance.

[adhisakti]

Use GPS Waypoints app from Playstore, you just input both coordinates and the app will find which way you must aim. I'm using this app for 10-25km link with Cambium PTP radio a few times and it's quite accurate.

[Edzel Yago]

44 minutes ago, adhisakti said:

Use GPS Waypoints app from Playstore, you just input both coordinates and the app will find which way you must aim. I'm using this app for 10-25km link with Cambium PTP radio a few times and it's quite accurate.

Aw, man. I was trying to figure out how to use the compass and our GPS coordinates to do it. Didn't figure it out in time and we settled with the reflector. =P

[AlexTheGreatish]

59 minutes ago, adhisakti said:

Use GPS Waypoints app from Playstore, you just input both coordinates and the app will find which way you must aim. I'm using this app for 10-25km link with Cambium PTP radio a few times and it's quite accurate.

We did something similar during the first day but only had a phone compass which isn't nearly accurate enough.

[DoctorWho1975]

That was painful to watch.

[ILFE]

9 hours ago, mark_cameron said:

So what's the purpose of this if you need direct line of site?

 

What's the law governing this?

 

What frequencies are you using?

Where I live, in Cambodia, many areas are not covered for internet access. Here, we are 5 Kilometers from the highway, and the nearest ISP access. Something like these dishes would be a bit overkill. We used two of these, for one of our ISPs.

 

Obviously, these are not Ubiquiti products. But I am sure Ubiquiti offers something similar.

[kwongsir]

Amazing

[Tcrumpen]

Should have used flares for location finding; don't think it's illegal to use a flare is it?

[mark_cameron]

14 hours ago, ILFE said:

Where I live, in Cambodia, many areas are not covered for internet access. Here, we are 5 Kilometers from the highway, and the nearest ISP access. Something like these dishes would be a bit overkill. We used two of these, for one of our ISPs.

 

Obviously, these are not Ubiquiti products. But I am sure Ubiquiti offers something similar.

Thanks.

 

I'm in the UK and here the spectrum is heavily regulated. If you cause interference or use the spectrum allocated to others you can face two years in jail.

 

I realise wifi is technically 2.4ghz and 5ghz but it's also an offence to interfere with signals in the UK. So I was wondering if these would interfere with other people's wifi or radio.

 

To show I'm not exaggerating there is a huge issue with PL networking causing interference as the power lines being used aren't shielded enough.

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/mediatechnologyandtelecoms/telecoms/11325914/You-could-be-prosecuted-over-your-broadband-thanks-to-GCHQ.html

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Ofcom proposes that people with "power line" networking equipment could face prosecution if it interferes with radio signals
Thousands of homeowners could face prosecution if their broadband persistently interferes with radio signals, under Ofcom proposals published after lobbying by intelligence agency GCHQ.

The Government agency has become increasingly concerned in recent years about "power line" networking equipment. This allows people to use the mains wiring in their homes to transmit data, as an alternative to a Wi-Fi network, and has been distributed to BT and TalkTalk customers to connect their television set-top boxes to broadband.

Ofcom, the communications watchdog, published a consultation on Monday on new regulations that would allow its officials to issue enforcement notices to shut down such networks when the electromagnetic radiation they can emit interferes with radio signals. Those who fail to comply will face criminal prosecution.

....

Ofcom said: “Communications networks form an important part of the UK’s national infrastructure, both directly and as an input to other services including safety and security services, utilities and industry (e.g. banking).

“Communications networks are a key aspect on which these services depend for their organisation and operation, and therefore it is important to protect their correct function from undue interference.”

GCHQ is particularly sensitive to interference because part of its role involves monitoring international military radio signals that can be very weak when they reach its receivers.

As well as networking adapters, Ofcom said that in the past two years it had received complaints of electromagnetic interference from TV aerial amplifiers, electrical transformers, high voltage power cables and lighting, among other equipment.

Under the regulator's proposals, those who do not comply with an order to stop their equipment causing “undue interference” face prosecution and fines of up to £5,000 in England and Wales in the most serious circumstances, where lives could be threatened. In Scotland and Northern Ireland the worst offenders face up to three months in prison.

 

[mark_cameron]

On 23/05/2018 at 8:56 PM, Nicholas Marzio said:

High speed internet over a long distance. We use this a lot in our business (ISP) to provide up to 100Mbps internet in locations where Fiber doesn't exist and there is only DSL with max speeds of around 6Mbps average.

 

Depending on the frequencies used. In my country 2.4Ghz & 5Ghz is free to use by public (Same as home WiFi freq) where as other frequencies are licensed. Consult your local authorities regarding public usable frequencies. (2.4Ghz & 5.8Ghz is usable in almost all countries as again home wireless uses these.)

 

Majority of Ubiquiti wireless gear is running on either 2.4Ghz or 5Ghz. Some of their products like AirFibre runs on 11Ghz and higher like 24Ghz

https://airmax.ubnt.com/.

 

The gear Linus was using ran on 5Ghz using the AirMax protocol. 

Radio: https://www.ubnt.com/airmax/rocket-prism-ac/

Antennae: https://www.ubnt.com/airmax/rocketdish-lw/

Some areas of the UK have had 5Ghz region allocated to mobile phone networks

 

Hence my concern

 

https://www.ofcom.org.uk/manage-your-licence/radiocommunication-licences/pmse/pmse-technical-info/video-links/5-ghzhttps://www.ofcom.org.uk/manage-your-licence/radiocommunication-licences/pmse/pmse-technical-info/video-links/5-ghz

 

And

 

https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2017/07/ofcom-speeds-uk-wi-fi-networks-adding-5-8ghz-spectrum-

 

Fixed outdoor use in 5Ghz is banned 

 

Also this:

 

Says some equipment legal in the United States in 5Ghz region band C (5.8Ghz etc)

 

Is illegal in EU/UK without a licence

 

https://www.solwise.co.uk/downloads/files/intheuk5ghz.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwiV0fS6i5_bAhWrI8AKHVsrDmAQFjAGegQIABAB&usg=AOvVaw2Tbc2Z4wlI_jmMenVUgjzD

 

You can use 5.8ghz unlicensed indoors

 

Limited to 200mW power

 

But not fixed outdoors. Which you might be able to do in US/Canada.

 

Without a licence for UK

 

Also Linus sent his signal 12Km which implies he exceeded 200mW power at 5.8Ghz. As they say you can get 10km at 4W power.

 

I think what he did in Canada would be technically illegal in EU/UK unless it was in 2.4Ghz region.

 

https://www.ofcom.org.uk/manage-your-licence/radiocommunication-licences/fixed-wireless-access

 

[mark_cameron]

I think @LinusSebastian needs to make it clear.

 

What he did may have been perfectly legal in the US or Canada 

 

But before trying it at home. Check it's legal.

 

I don't think it legal here in Europe.

 

It's using same frequencies used by weather and military radars. There are power restrictions in place. Which is why you need a licence using out doors or above 200mW power. So you couldnt get 12Km Wifi in Europe without a licence

[Zodiark1593]

On 5/23/2018 at 12:42 PM, mark_cameron said:

So what's the purpose of this if you need direct line of site?

 

What's the law governing this?

 

What frequencies are you using?

My grandparents live in a rural area where their neighbors can get high speed internet, but they'e stuck on 1.5 mbps DSL. Long range wifi would fix this with minimal hassle and expense.