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Apple gets dragged into court by relatives in a plane crash, blaming an exploding iPhone

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S: Ladable | TMZ (yes don't worry, I know it's a shit publication) 

This is a weird one so bare with me, oh summoning our Apple resident @DrMacintosh for his input too.

 

Apple is being sued by some relatives of the people killed in the May 2016 Egypt Air plane crash that claimed the lives of 66 people. 

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An EgyptAir crash that killed 66 people could have been caused by an 'overheating Apple product', according to family members who have filed a lawsuit.

 

Now investigators in France are examining the claims that the plane crashed in May 2016 because of the pilot's overheated smartphone batteries.

 

Some industry experts have rubbished the theory, however, claiming that it is more likely a short circuit or other explosion took place below the cockpit, as reported by The Sun.

 

A source from the French aviation investigation suggested there could be a 'troubling parallel' between where the fire broke out in the cockpit and where the co-pilot left his iPhone, according to Le Parisien newspaper.

So the "PUBLICATION" TMZ have seen documents apparently and it's claiming the overheating in the iPhone led to an explosion in the cockpit and lead a chain of events that brought the plane down. 

 

Apple returned a comment to Ladbible when they reached out for comment

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A spokesman said: "We haven't been contacted by GTA or any authority investigating this tragic event. We have not seen the report but we understand there is no evidence to link this event to Apple products.

 

"If investigators have questions for us, we would of course assist in any way we can. 

 

"We rigorously test our products to ensure they meet or exceed international safety standards."

TMZ's article....

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The crash of EgyptAir flight 804 into the Mediterranean Sea that killed 66 people was caused by a hot Apple product ... according to a new suit.

 

The families of several of the victims of the May 19, 2016 crash claim the tragedy was due to the co-pilot's iPhone 6S or iPad mini overheating in the cockpit and catching fire.

 

According to the docs ... an investigation revealed the device ignited and led to a bigger fire in the cockpit, which ultimately took the plane down.

 

It should be noted, however -- some industry experts have questioned this phone theory ... and believe the fire on the plane started beneath the cockpit in the avionics bay due to a short circuit or some kind of explosion.

 

Still, the families believe there's enough evidence to hold Apple responsible for the deaths of their loved ones ... so they're suing for damages. The airline is also listed on the suit.

We reached out to Apple and EgyptAir ... so far, no word back.

Discuss friendos, I'm mehhhhhhhhhhh on this to be fair, but I'm very skeptical on this. 

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6 minutes ago, captain_to_fire said:

a part of me just died after seeing the letters tmz

im sorry :( 

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Lithium batteries can fail. Doesn't matter how good they are, when you store that much energy in what it literally a bag of volatile chemicals, there IS a risk that something can go wrong. 

 

IMO planes should have "unhappy lithium containment bags" since its a not anything that's going to be going away soon.

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alrightly. let's check the wording here

43 minutes ago, SC2Mitch said:

could have been caused by an 'overheating Apple product',

could also have been caused by the pilot farting

 

43 minutes ago, SC2Mitch said:

The families of several of the victims of the May 19, 2016 crash claim the tragedy was due to the co-pilot's iPhone 6S or iPad mini overheating in the cockpit and catching fire.

how the hell would the families know?

 

43 minutes ago, SC2Mitch said:

Still, the families believe there's enough evidence to hold Apple responsible

evidence would clear this up

 

43 minutes ago, SC2Mitch said:

Some industry experts have questioned this phone theory ... and believe the fire on the plane started beneath the cockpit in the avionics bay

so basically no one knows what took the plane down. seems a bit of a stretch to sue a company (even if it is apple) for something that still has not been proven. it seems more like a rumour or just crazy people trying to find a way to make quick money off the backs of deceased family members

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6 minutes ago, iamdarkyoshi said:

Lithium batteries can fail. Doesn't matter how good they are, when you store that much energy in what it literally a bag of volatile chemicals, there IS a risk that something can go wrong. 

 

IMO planes should have "unhappy lithium containment bags" since its a not anything that's going to be going away soon.

Samsung used to have booths in airports during the entire Galaxy Note 7 explosion thing. Which reminds me of a domestic flight that was delayed for 30 minutes because a jerkbag decides it's a good idea to bring a Galaxy Note 7 but thankfully someone ratted out the persomn.

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31 minutes ago, Sierra Fox said:

seems a bit of a stretch to sue a company for something that still has not been proven

Eh civil court doesn't have the same standard of guilt required by criminal court, more likely than not is generally sufficient and people have gotten settlements with less.

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7 minutes ago, AresKrieger said:

Eh civil court doesn't have the same standard of guilt required by criminal court, more likely than not is generally sufficient and people have gotten settlements with less.

our world is stupid

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this is completely fake news... i've had an iPhone battery catch fire in my iphone 4. Lithium batteries swell crack the screen then the smell is very strong.

its not going to be unnoticed it did catch fire in the sense of a thermal run away but it takes time. i very much noticed the smell in the house 20 minutes before.

 

In a small space like a cockpit you are going to smell that in minutes and i am sure the CVR is going to pick that up.

 

 

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No proof no Case. If there is proof bring it to the court and sue to your hearts content. But if they are just trying to capitalize on this and maybe get a settlement then I’m disgusted. 

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After doing a few minutes worth of research (the same amount most news outlets do for their news articles), it's hard for me to believe a fire caused by a malfunctioning iPhone battery could've possibly taken down a plane the way MS804 went down. No mayday call was ever made which is odd because in the last two instances where an aircraft was brought down by fire that I could think of (UPS 6 and Swiss Air 111), the crew were at least able to declare an emergency and continue flying for some time before impact. Swiss Air 111 was an electrical fire right behind the pilots and UPS 6 was a fire involving a pallet of over 81,000 lithium batteries in the cargo hold. If the crews in both of those scenarios were able to declare an emergency when a fire broke out, there has to something else to cause the pilots of MS804 to act the way they did. A simple iPhone battery fire in the cabin can't possibly cause such catastrophic damage to the aircraft that would cut sever all communications with the ground. 

 

Keep in mind the investigation into MS804 is still ongoing so the actual cause to the disaster is still unknown. But, in my opinion, exploding iPhones is an unlikely cause. 

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This feels like Clean Label Project handing out class-actions to every pet food maker that they can just to see what sticks. No actual evidence attached to the documents for the courts to look at, no independent results, and tons of charts with changed measurements (milligrams to micrograms, for example) without providing the full chart. Then people read the class action and think "oh hey, they're right, this is junk" when half of the information is omitted or altered for the sake of frightening consumers. 

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If only Mythbusters was still here.. they'd replicate this and prove its not possible. Planes are not packed with combustable material. there would be only a short time of heat from the battery to start a fire and its hard to spread a fire with no heat at the source and everything non combustable. the plane fires mentioned were 10,000+ batteries...

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1 hour ago, Maticks said:

If only Mythbusters was still here.. they'd replicate this and prove its not possible. Planes are not packed with combustable material. there would be only a short time of heat from the battery to start a fire and its hard to spread a fire with no heat at the source and everything non combustable. the plane fires mentioned were 10,000+ batteries...

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It's Apple who cares?

 

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4 hours ago, SC2Mitch said:

Damn son... that's cold 

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I hate when people try to make money on the backs of dead relatives with this kind of stupid thing. Like Paul wokers daughter sued porche for her fathers death. His friend was going 120-150 mph in place where legaly you could only drive 5 times less speed and ran into a tree what is porches fault here? It's very sad when people die but what you can do. If you have evidance well then good for you you can sue if you whant money, but this is very stupid!

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2 hours ago, DrMacintosh said:

No proof no Case. If there is proof bring it to the court and sue to your hearts content. But if they are just trying to capitalize on this and maybe get a settlement then I’m disgusted. 

i believe it would be very difficult for the investigative team to prove it but they still have to present their findings as a likely theory. Maybe some American here can clarify if a judge would go for it just based on a solid theory by credible investigators or if you'd really need a 100% certainty (and i say any American because i assume they are suing there?! )

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1 hour ago, asus killer said:

i believe it would be very difficult for the investigative team to prove it but they still have to present their findings as a likely theory. Maybe some American here can clarify if a judge would go for it just based on a solid theory by credible investigators or if you'd really need a 100% certainty (and i say any American because i assume they are suing there?! )

Those “credible investigators” would need some evidence to base their theory on. They can’t just say it. The judge would throw them out for not having a case. 

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6 minutes ago, DrMacintosh said:

Those “credible investigators” would need some evidence to base their theory on. They can’t just say it. The judge would throw them out for not having a case. 

A source from the French aviation investigation suggested there could be a 'troubling parallel' between where the fire broke out in the cockpit and where the co-pilot left his iPhone, according to Le Parisien newspaper.

The paper said: "The images very clearly indicate that the Egyptian co-pilot put his telephone, tablet and bottles of perfume bought before boarding on the glare-shield."

"The investigators hence note a troubling parallel between the placing of these items that are fed by lithium batteries and the triggering of alarms during the flight," Le Parisien added.

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5 hours ago, BlueChinchillaEatingDorito said:

 

If his iPhone burnt, he couldn't call the land duh! ;)

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