120hz TN or 144hz IPS?

[lei]

Hey guys - just waffling between an MSI GS73 and the new Clevo PA71. Like many MSI products, the GS73 has a 120hz 92%NTSC TN display (N173HHE-G32) which has been highly rated on NotebookCheck (99% sRGB, 77% AdobeRGB), while the new Clevo PA71 allegedly has the same display as the Asus ROG G703, and Aorus X9 DT, and is also likely similar to the Aero15x and MSI GS65.

SO, just wondering if anybody has had any experience with any of the 120hz or 144hz screens side by side or one after the other? 

[Jurrunio]

Any price difference? Because IPS is generally considered to be better than TN as you dont get washed out colors when looking at a sharper angle. If IPS even has about the same refresh as TN, then there's no way the TN is considered, unless other stuff like hardware and price favour the one with TN much more.

[lei]

Cheers for the swift reply mate! No, price diff is negligible. the MSI screen gets really high marks on paper, but the 144hz panels coming out these days are getting well reviewed too, despite their seemingly weak performance on spectrum calibration. E.g., 
https://www.notebookcheck.net/MSI-GT75VR-7RF-Titan-Pro-i7-7820HK-GTX-1080-Laptop-Review.240904.0.html
vs
https://www.notebookcheck.net/Asus-ROG-Chimera-G703-i7-7820HK-GTX-1080-Full-HD-Laptop-Review.287134.0.html

So, it's all just a bit tough to discern which one would actually be better for design work, being that my last graphics monitor had about 75% AdobeRGB and was an IPS.

[sjb655]

I don't think anyone will notice the difference between 120hz and 144hz, but if you are moving to either of them from a 60hz screens, then it will be obvious.

[Guest]

8 minutes ago, lei said:

Cheers for the swift reply mate! No, price diff is negligible. the MSI screen gets really high marks on paper, but the 144hz panels coming out these days are getting well reviewed too, despite their seemingly weak performance on spectrum calibration. E.g., 
https://www.notebookcheck.net/MSI-GT75VR-7RF-Titan-Pro-i7-7820HK-GTX-1080-Laptop-Review.240904.0.html
vs
https://www.notebookcheck.net/Asus-ROG-Chimera-G703-i7-7820HK-GTX-1080-Full-HD-Laptop-Review.287134.0.html

So, it's all just a bit tough to discern which one would actually be better for design work, being that my last graphics monitor had about 75% AdobeRGB and was an IPS.

Then get the ips 

[Jurrunio]

@ZM Fong might have some comments on this.

[iiNNeX]

Never go TN if you have the option of purchasing IPS.

 

That said, high end TN panels are not as bad as people make them out to be.

[lei]

18 minutes ago, sjb655 said:

I don't think anyone will notice the difference between 120hz and 144hz, but if you are moving to either of them from a 60hz screens, then it will be obvious.

Not worried about refresh rate. Just wondering which one looks better in reality (which is highly subjective, I know). I've never seen either variation of screen, but if I were to see them side-by-side, I'd know real quick which one I prefer, so just wondering if anybody has had that advantage and can offer any opinions.

[lei]

6 minutes ago, iiNNeX said:

Never go TN if you have the option of purchasing IPS.

 

That said, high end TN panels are not as bad as people make them out to be.

Looks like that's the group consensus thus far! What's the basic reasoning for that preference?

[Zandvliet]

7 minutes ago, lei said:

Not worried about refresh rate. Just wondering which one looks better in reality (which is highly subjective, I know). I've never seen either variation of screen, but if I were to see them side-by-side, I'd know real quick which one I prefer, so just wondering if anybody has had that advantage and can offer any opinions.

I currently have the Asus MG279Q (IPS) and used to have a Asus VG278QE (TN) next to it and I can say that the difference is large in my opinion. When comparing the same picture on both monitors you'll clearly see a difference. I high prefered the IPS monitor.

 

So if the price is not much different between the two, get the IPS one. Note you do have a chance for backlight bleeding with the IPS.

[genexis_x]

1 hour ago, lei said:

MSI GS73 and the new Clevo PA71

Why don't go for P950 (CFL-H)? Much portable while not sacrificing thermals much. Better build quality than GSVR and optional high refresh rate panel. Buy from resellers that offers repaste like gentechpc and HIDevolution.

 

You won't notice a big difference between 120Hz and 144Hz. Only get a good TN panel if it has better colour coverage (and you need it), you want the lower response times, you don't mind the viewing angles and you're willing to do a manual display calibration (usually they have blue cast). Otherwise go for a good IPS.

[Stefan Payne]

1 hour ago, lei said:

SO, just wondering if anybody has had any experience with any of the 120hz or 144hz screens side by side or one after the other? 

HZ aren't that important, the viewing angle of the Panel, Color and other stuff is...

 

Had a couple of screens in my life and if the color change when you move your head (or your chair) a bit, that is really annoying. And that's what you get with a TN Panel.

 

With an IPS Panel, you have better viewing angles...

[lei]

Cool cool - pretty unanimous then. After watching a few YT videos, and everybody's input, it sounds like a no-brainer on the IPS despite the seemingly lesser NTSC coverage. Man, got that sorted out with a quickness. Thanks a ton everybody - IPS it is! 

[Stefan Payne]

3 minutes ago, lei said:

Cool cool - pretty unanimous then. After watching a few YT videos, and everybody's input, it sounds like a no-brainer on the IPS despite the seemingly lesser NTSC coverage. Man, got that sorted out with a quickness. Thanks a ton everybody - IPS it is! 

Do you have a big electronics store somewhere near you?

 

If you do, go to the Monitor section and do some sqats (one or two or so) and you see what we are talking about...

[lei]

10 minutes ago, ZM Fong said:

Why don't go for P950 (CFL-H)? Much portable while not sacrificing thermals much. Better build quality than GSVR and optional high refresh rate panel. Buy from resellers that offers repaste like gentechpc and HIDevolution.

 

You won't notice a big difference between 120Hz and 144Hz. Only get a good TN panel if it has better colour coverage (and you need it), you want the lower response times, you don't mind the viewing angles and you're willing to do a manual display calibration (usually they have blue cast). Otherwise go for a good IPS.

I had originally been looking at that one, but I'll honestly take every inch I can get at 1080p, and the PA71 has the Thunderbolt 3 support and the styling is a little cooler, IMO. 17" is still portable enough and my pen input graphics monitor is around the same size anyhow.

Thermals on the P70 were really good, and I'm going to be getting the works at HIDevolution when I pull the trigger regardless (repasted CPU/GPU, color-calibrated screen, no dead pixels warranty, etc), so that should see me running cool during long sessions. 

Additionally, as sleek as the GS73 formfactor is, it looks a bit hard to service + maintain due to the CPU + GPU + cooling system being on the other side of the MOBO when you have the bottom panel off. A 3-year HID warranty on Clevo/Evoc is the same price as a 2-year on the MSI as well, so another win there.

[lei]

4 minutes ago, Stefan Payne said:

Do you have a big electronics store somewhere near you?

 

If you do, go to the Monitor section and do some sqats (one or two or so) and you see what we are talking about...

Yeah, I could go to Best Buy, but honestly after watching these two videos (and everybodys input), I'm pretty well convinced that the color consistency is more important the the NTSC rating.
 

 

 

[ILiketoMobit]

16 hours ago, sjb655 said:

I don't think anyone will notice the difference between 120hz and 144hz, but if you are moving to either of them from a 60hz screens, then it will be obvious.

noticeable to eyes keen enough. it should be considered.

[JoostinOnline]

19 hours ago, iiNNeX said:

That said, high end TN panels are not as bad as people make them out to be.

Agreed, but it doesn't just apply to TN. I got a lower end 144hz TN monitor for Christmas (lower end being relative), and the colors are just terrible. I've tweaked the hell out of the settings, but everything is still a little pale. One of my laptops has a TN one) panel and it's gorgeous. Better than my other laptop's IPS panel.

 

It's all on a spectrum. The lowest end IPS panels are much better than the lowest end TN ones, but you should never assume that it's better because it's IPS.

[sKetchyy]

On 01/05/2018 at 11:25 AM, iiNNeX said:

Never go TN if you have the option of purchasing IPS.

 

That said, high end TN panels are not as bad as people make them out to be.

I have no issues with my TN. Like most people have said if you can afford the IPS option it's the go to.