8700k, 8600k, or R7 1700. Looking to build gaming + (maybe) productivity itx PC to take overseas

[LaboonTheWhale]

Hey guys

 

So last week I was able to acquire the 8700k for $299 new and an 8600k for $175 open box. I also have a Ryzen 1700 on hand that I was replacing with the 8700k as I was basically purely gaming before i discovered I may be moving overseas. Was going to sell the 1700 to recoup some costs. I'll probably be gone for 3 years and wouldn't be upgrading. (PC Prices in the country are stupid high) 

 

Where I am moving to, I was thinking of doing some video editing (not super intense) of some footage I may try to take on some adventures on holiday. So its not so much purely gaming anymore. 

 

So since Microcenter has a nice return policy, I got the 8700k when it was on sale for $299. but then I saw an 8600k available for $175 a few days later so I held onto both just in case. The 8700k is definitely the most costly option but probably the best performing. 8600k may lose to the 1700 in productivity but best it in gaming. 1700 is already a sunk cost as I purchased it a year ago though. The 8600k or 8700k OC'd will be very hot beasts to tame unless I delid and Liquid metal them. I was able to test and OC the 8700k and 8600k to 5GHz @ 1.35v cooled under a noctua U14s but that will not fit in a portable itx build. 

 

The case I may use is DanCase A4, Ncase M1, Ghost S1, Node 202. So tower coolers are not available for hefty cooling. 

 

Costs

• 8700k: $299 + $113 STRIX Mobo + Delidding
  • Pros: Probably best gaming + productivity (in many programs I think?)
  • Cons: Most expensive option 
  • Can return to get money back 
• 8600k: $175 + $113 STRIX Mobo + Delidding
  • Pros: Very good gaming performance, decent productivity
  • Cons: no hyperthreading
  • Can return to get money back 
• Ryzen 7 1700: $140 Asrock Mobo (CPU already acquired) 
  • Pros: Cheapest option , good productivity
  • Cons: Worse performing for gaming but probably not a huge margin
  • Could sell for $170-180 to a friend to recoup costs 

 

What this build will be paired with: 

• Z370 or X370 Itx mobo
• CL14 3200Mhz ram
• GTX 1080 Ti FTW 3
• Corsair SF600
• CPU Cooler: maybe Scythe Big shuriken 2 rev b (120 TDP) 

Which would seem the better route to go with to you guys? 

[TahoeDust]

If you are not working under real cost restraints, 8700k all the way.

[SpencerC]

How soon do you want to build? Ryzen 2.0 is supposed to be launching in a few weeks on April 19th from everything we know. Unless you are also going to be transporting a 144-240hz monitor around with you the gaming difference will be minimal to none.

[hconverse02]

6 minutes ago, SpencerC said:

How soon do you want to build? Ryzen 2.0 is supposed to be launching in a few weeks on April 19th from everything we know. Unless you are also going to be transporting a 144-240hz monitor around with you the gaming difference will be minimal to none.

Given it's video editing and intel will most likely come out on top over ryzen 2.0 by a small margin, it's not worth it to wait for ryzen 2.0 when he has an 8700k on his hands.  Like @TahoeDust, if cost isn't a huge constraint, make the itx i7 8700k system, it will demolish in gaming and video editing 1080p for a long time, more than 3 years unless some magical technology is invented between now and then  

[TahoeDust]

8 minutes ago, SpencerC said:

How soon do you want to build? Ryzen 2.0 is supposed to be launching in a few weeks on April 19th from everything we know. Unless you are also going to be transporting a 144-240hz monitor around with you the gaming difference will be minimal to none.

So...what advantages would you expect Ryzen 2.0 to have over a oveclocked 8700k in the usage case stated?

[LaboonTheWhale]

2 minutes ago, SpencerC said:

How soon do you want to build? Ryzen 2.0 is supposed to be launching in a few weeks on April 19th from everything we know. Unless you are also going to be transporting a 144-240hz monitor around with you the gaming difference will be minimal to none.

but is it really worth upgrading over an R7 1700? its an already sunk cost vs buying a new $300 (maybe?) 2700 processor. 

[hconverse02]

3 minutes ago, TahoeDust said:

So...what advantages would you expect Ryzen 2.0 to have over a oveclocked 8700k in the usage case stated?

Faster ipc clocks, better (marginal) video editing performance, better gaming performance.  These are things I already see with the ryzen 1700 against the 8700k and I doubt the jump from ryzen 1.0-2.0 will be as great as the jump from kaby lake to coffee lake was.

 

EDIT: READ!!! I meant 8700k over ryzen 2.0!!!!

[hconverse02]

1 minute ago, LaboonTheWhale said:

but is it really worth upgrading over an R7 1700? its an already sunk cost vs buying a new $300 (maybe?) 2700 processor. 

Well given the processor would be 'free' from you selling or returning the other parts to get a 2700. (not the best decision imo)

[LaboonTheWhale]

Just now, hconverse02 said:

Well given the processor would be 'free' from you selling or returning the other parts to get a 2700. (not the best decision imo)

that is true. but probably a ~5-10% bump maybe? I didn't look into the official numbers 

[Imbellis]

The 1700 is alright; however, AMD is known to have chips produce more heat - regardless of TDP ratings. The SCBSK-2 is a great cooler for it's profile; however, I doubt you could run the 1700 at its full potential.

What case do you really want to work with? This would give me a better idea regarding what cooling you could use.

Beyond the A4(SFF Labs), M1(SFF Labs), S1, S4(SFF Labs), and the Node 202, I'd recommend the SG13B, The Sentry, and the RV/ML Silverstone cases.

 

S4 - 4.47L

Sentry - 6.96L

A4 - 7.1L

S1- 8.48L

Node 202 - 10.2L

SG13B - 11.45L

RV/ML 12.25L

M1- 13.12L

Personally, I'd recommend the SG13B, the S4, the M1, and the A4.

Quote

• With the ATX PSU, the SG13B advertizes 61mm
• With the right propper config with SFX PSU, you can get ~74mm
• With attaching the SFX PSU to the ATX Brackets at the top (leaving a small slit in the back of the case), you can get around 85mm for CPU cooler.

 

 

Edit: With you stating that you already have the 1700, I'd just stick with it. There's no telling when other prices will come down and you've already got it on hand.

Another thing, I'd recommend getting a SFX-L PSU instead of SFX. You get a full 120mm fan instead of a 82mm (?) for better airflow. This means they're quite a lot more quiet and also help the case breathe more.

[Jurrunio]

What monitor will you use? CFL is only noticeably better than Ryzen at 1080p and 1440p when frame rates are sky high. Otherwise the difference aren't that great.

 

My choice will be 8700k for high refresh rate monitor, Ryzen 7 1700 for other setups.

[hconverse02]

3 minutes ago, Imbellis said:

The 1700 is alright; however, AMD is known to have chips produce more heat

LOL have you seen Coffee Lake temps  

[LaboonTheWhale]

2 minutes ago, Imbellis said:

~snip~

 

what you quoted, is that for the SG13B? A problem with some cube cases will be trying to fit the 1080 Ti FTW 3 into it as that's a 300mm gpu. says up to 266mm supported  

 

[LaboonTheWhale]

5 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

What monitor will you use? CFL is only noticeably better than Ryzen at 1080p and 1440p when frame rates are sky high. Otherwise the difference aren't that great.

 

My choice will be 8700k for high refresh rate monitor, Ryzen 7 1700 for other setups.

Whatever I can find over there. I've been spoiled at home with the AW3418dw so it'll be hard to live up to that for the meantime 

[Mooshi]

With a 1080 Ti, you're going to be gaming above 1080p which makes the CPU choice moot 1440p and above. Either go 1700 or 8700k for added production tbh

[PSP.]

1440p . 4k intel or AMD both same 

 

but with 1080p intel won

 

is very simple if you like oc cpu go with intel but dont get 1080p

 

1440p + oc = best

[Imbellis]

8 hours ago, LaboonTheWhale said:

what you quoted, is that for the SG13B? A problem with some cube cases will be trying to fit the 1080 Ti FTW 3 into it as that's a 300mm gpu. says up to 266mm supported  

 

Yeah, what I quoted is for the SG13B.

You're right regarding GPU lengths - the case supports up to ~270mm cards.

[Ebony Falcon]

10 hours ago, Fahad ALme said:

1440p . 4k intel or AMD both same 

 

but with 1080p intel won

 

is very simple if you like oc cpu go with intel but dont get 1080p

 

1440p + oc = best

8700k and 2 1070's perform a lot better at 1440p than my 1700 does 

[Ebony Falcon]

10 hours ago, Mooshi said:

With a 1080 Ti, you're going to be gaming above 1080p which makes the CPU choice moot 1440p and above. Either go 1700 or 8700k for added production tbh

U get more out of the 1080ti at 1440p 144hz

not everyone plays at ultra 

when u start dropping a few settings to high to chase the higher frames the 8700k pull ahead as it does at 1080p

 

i have both cpus in hand and oc tested it a lot 

 

1080ti and a 1700 at ultra 1440p is fine but it's kind of the limit of the cpu it doesn't have a lot left to offer to gaming,

 

hence my comment above when I drop a few settings to high to chase better frames the 8700k pulls back ahead which kinda points towards Intel pulling even further ahead In more cpu intensive games in the future but that's not always the case as proven by adored tv in the coffelake con job video.