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[TVwazhere]

14 minutes ago, Bitter said:

It'll be a race to see which engine shits the bed first!

 

Pentastar has valve seat and rod bolt stretch problems, haven't heard a lot about the 2.7 from Ford yet.

Hopefully more reliable.

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The Second Generation of the 2.7L EcoBoost Engine

Ford introduced the 2018 model year Ford F-150 with the second generation 2.7L EcoBoost V6 engine. The upgraded engine got a number of changes similar to the second gen 3.5 EcoBoost. The most important changes include the direct injection combined with port injection, a new high-pressure exhaust gas recirculation system (EGR), dual-chain camshaft drive system with new lightweight camshafts, new turbochargers with an electrically actuated wastegate, and an electronically controlled variable-displacement oil pump. Together with other small changes, including those aimed at friction reduction, new 2.7L V6 engines became more efficient and reliable than the previous generation.

Source (I have no idea if this site is good or not)

[MadyTehWolfie]

4 hours ago, Bitter said:

It'll be a race to see which engine shits the bed first!

 

Pentastar has valve seat and rod bolt stretch problems, haven't heard a lot about the 2.7 from Ford yet.

2.7's issues were more or less fixed with the second gen having dual injection. That being said carbon build up is a issue on all engines with DI only. I'd recommend anyone with a DI engine getting the valves cleaned between 50-80k miles for the carbon build up. I see a lot of keeps at work with well over 200k miles on them I'd say they are both decently reliable.

3 hours ago, TVwazhere said:

Hopefully more reliable.

Early ones had carbon build up issues just like the first gen 3.5 after they added the dual injection they were fine. 

6 hours ago, AlwaysFSX said:

2.7 is a more compact engine I believe. Would fit better.

The 2.7 and 3.5 were both used in the F150 and are about the same "size" roughly.

[AlwaysFSX]

39 minutes ago, MadyTehWolfie said:

The 2.7 and 3.5 were both used in the F150

Irrelevant, Bronco is based off of the Ranger platform, not the F-150.

[vetali]

10 hours ago, TVwazhere said:

Cant believe no one's brought up the Bronco Yet. Y'all must be on discord  

https://www.ford.com/bronco/

[MadyTehWolfie]

31 minutes ago, AlwaysFSX said:

Irrelevant, Bronco is based off of the Ranger platform, not the F-150.

Ok then

[TVwazhere]

12 hours ago, vetali said:

 

Spoiler

 

I knew it

[bcredeur97]

honestly I like the bronco (non sport) as a little offroad vehicle with the 2.3L and the 7 speed manual. Though admittedly the V6 would be better if you needed to tow little things. Also, the possible approach angle with the big tires looks insane. Prob will be pretty good offroad

I don't care for the Bronco Sport. I think it's a "I live in the city but I want everyone to see I have a Bronco" kinda car.

[XGoodGuyFitz]

I personally like the new bronco. Not the Bronco Sport though. They should have made it a bit more off-roady, but otherwise its design is nice.

 

[JoaoPRSousa]

Coyote swapped Bronco when? If that even fits

[PandaCopyRight]

39 minutes ago, JoaoPRSousa said:

Coyote swapped Bronco when? If that even fits

if it doesnt fit you need a bigger hammer ... 

[GDRRiley]

On 7/14/2020 at 11:53 AM, TVwazhere said:

Hopefully more reliable.

its a ford made in the last 30 years it won't be.

[bcredeur97]

2 hours ago, JoaoPRSousa said:

Coyote swapped Bronco when? If that even fits

Funny thing is it should bolt right up to the transmission since the mustang 2.3 uses the same exact manual transmission as the 5.0 

[MadyTehWolfie]

On 7/15/2020 at 8:06 AM, TVwazhere said:

I knew it

Too bad it was just a concept vehicle that will probably never be put into production and if it did it would be very limited majority of buyers would probably not even buy one. That being said I'd take the better gas milage and the better torque numbers of the 2.7 over the 5.7 hemi. Simple intake tune and downpipe and the power at the wheels would be a lot more for not that much money.

[MadyTehWolfie]

3 hours ago, bcredeur97 said:

Funny thing is it should bolt right up to the transmission since the mustang 2.3 uses the same exact manual transmission as the 5.0 

Not sure why you would when you can get the same hp and a lot more torque with simple mods and a tune with the 2.7 while getting better gas milage. If I'm not mistaken isn't rock crawling and off road more dependent on low end torque? If so a twin turbo v6 is going to make a lot more down low with very few mods then the 5.0 engine without boost. 5.0 isn't exactly a torque monster down low.

[AlwaysFSX]

20 minutes ago, MadyTehWolfie said:

Not sure why you would when you can get the same hp and a lot more torque with simple mods and a tune with the 2.7 while getting better gas milage. If I'm not mistaken isn't rock crawling and off road more dependent on low end torque? If so a twin turbo v6 is going to make a lot more down low then the 5.0 engine without boost. 5.0 isn't exactly a torque monster down low.

I'm skeptical a 2.7L engine can make more torque at very low rpm than a 5.0L engine.

[JoaoPRSousa]

3 hours ago, bcredeur97 said:

Funny thing is it should bolt right up to the transmission since the mustang 2.3 uses the same exact manual transmission as the 5.0 

 

Oh wow, I can just imagine then

[MadyTehWolfie]

15 minutes ago, AlwaysFSX said:

I'm skeptical a 2.7L engine can make more torque at very low rpm than a 5.0L engine.

It can and will with a few mods. Should edit my last post. 

[JoaoPRSousa]

Imagine making peak boost the instant you press the throttle

[Ae86]

46 minutes ago, MadyTehWolfie said:

Not sure why you would when you can get the same hp and a lot more torque with simple mods and a tune with the 2.7 while getting better gas milage. If I'm not mistaken isn't rock crawling and off road more dependent on low end torque? If so a twin turbo v6 is going to make a lot more down low with very few mods then the 5.0 engine without boost. 5.0 isn't exactly a torque monster down low.

You realize that turbos need exhaust pressure to spool and make boost...? A turbo engine is usually lacking in low end power. An NA engine is usually better for low end grunt, or a supercharged engine if you want a mix of both making compromises at both rnds of the powerband.

[AlwaysFSX]

12 minutes ago, MadyTehWolfie said:

It can and will with a few mods. Should edit my last post. 

So now we gotta mod a brand new vehicle instead of just... putting an engine in that makes more torque. Mod it all you want, unless those turbos are spooling, you aren't making more torque.

[AlwaysFSX]

12 minutes ago, JoaoPRSousa said:

Imagine making peak boost the instant you press the throttle

[Ae86]

17 minutes ago, JoaoPRSousa said:

Imagine making peak boost the instant you press the throttle

Naturally aspirated engines make peak boost at idle DUH

[MadyTehWolfie]

10 minutes ago, AlwaysFSX said:

So now we gotta mod a brand new vehicle instead of just... putting an engine in that makes more torque. Mod it all you want, unless those turbos are spooling, you aren't making more torque.

Mod to make more stock GT only makes 430tw at the crank the 2.7 makes 400. Still going to make the torque sooner then the 5.0. 5.0 doesn't make peak tq till around 3.5-4k rpm. 2.7 makes it sooner same with the 2.3 I had before I got my GT. 2.3 with just a intake tune and downpipe made more tq at the wheels sooner then the GT stock. I'd bet you'd match stock 5.0 tq with just a tune that you can get from Ford racing that wouldn't void your warranty. Truth is unless your at WOT with the 5.0 your not making the tq numbers it's advertised at either what's your point?

[MadyTehWolfie]

27 minutes ago, Ae86 said:

You realize that turbos need exhaust pressure to spool and make boost...? A turbo engine is usually lacking in low end power. An NA engine is usually better for low end grunt, or a supercharged engine if you want a mix of both making compromises at both rnds of the powerband.

There is a peddle on the right press it. N/A motors don't make their peak HP and TQ unless your opening the throttle buddy.

[AlwaysFSX]

23 minutes ago, MadyTehWolfie said:

-snips-. Truth is unless your at WOT with the 5.0 your not making the tq numbers it's advertised at either what's your point?

Point is you need turbos to spool to make torque, low speed stuff you're not always running at mid-high rpms. Modding is a dumb argument, when you're buying a vehicle straight from the manufacturer you shouldn't have to mod it to make it better than an option they could have done otherwise.

 

It's very clear when you drive these trucks with these engines that the turbo ones are dogs.

Exp:

3 gens of 5.4
2 gens of 3.5
2.7
2 gens of 4.6

Guess which ones suck off the line? The turbo engines.