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Car Enthusiast Club [Now Motorcycle friendly!] - First thread to 100k! ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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26 minutes ago, Drak3 said:

Don't lump me in with them. I'm an enthusiast of mechanic design, be it engines, weaponry, or productive machinery. Not a guy with a wrench that reads the marketing garbage AFE/insert other "enthusiast" brand that can't legally warranty half of their products.

 

I fail to see a correlation between people screeching variations of "forced induction is more efficient!!! Reclaimed energy!!!" and anything I've said.

If you can't be civil. Please leave

 

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you really should.  there's more to mileage then just how the engine handles it.  there's all the bushings, ball joints, and suspension pieces, tons of random plastic bits in the engine bay that need to stay not cracked, tons hoses, belts, etc.  it may be an $11k car, but replacement parts are still based on the original $60k (or whatever it was) pricetag.  there are certain parts that have come down in price, but most is still expensive.  you'd be better off buying a 100-150k M5 for $15kish then a 200k car for 11..

 

 

auto NA, way over priced

 

 

does the throttle delay bug you enough to throw 300 bucks at the problem?  its really up to you.  its not exactly going to give you a performance increase, more driveability change of quicker throttle response.

 

 

these actually work.  they're quite popular with European cars, especially with people who track or autox them and need more direct throttle control and not the delayed DBW that a lot of modern Euro cars have...  not saying only Euro cars have this, but its definitely more common with them.

 

 

this is a sleeper (vid below)... 220hp is not a sleeper unless the car is sub 2000lb... GS300 is just an average car in terms of speed. not that there's anything wrong with a GS300, if you want one go for it, its just not a sleeper in stock form.  

although its a very good candidate to be a sleeper, it has a 2JZ in it, the NA version is nearly as strong as the Turbo block, it can easily handle 600hp if you throw a turbo on there (blacked out intercooler for stealth status :D).  only thing that stock tranny won't be able to handle much power, you'll either have to swap in a manual or an auto that can handle the power...

 

I'd be doing much more to a GS300, more than likely go turbo, but as a base, I feel like the GS300 would be a good start

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@warmmilk it's kind of annoying how when I floor the accelerator, it sometimes takes a second to do anything. I want the car to respond, and move when I floor it

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I'd be doing much more to a GS300, more than likely go turbo, but as a base, I feel like the GS300 would be a good start

 

in that case, yes, GS300 is good for a potential sleeper build.  based on your original post on the subject I thought you were saying it was a sleeper in stock form

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@warmmilk it's kind of annoying how when I floor the accelerator, it sometimes takes a second to do anything. I want the car to respond, and move when I floor it

 

C250's are all auto's, right?

is the second delay actual throttle, or the time it takes for your transmission to downshift?  if its the time it takes your transmission to downshift, this module won't do anything about it.  if you're talking about when you're already in the right gear and the floor it, and it still takes a second to get going, this is what the sprint module will fix.

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Id go for a G35 (aka Skyline :P) over a GS300.

VQ is just as reputable as a 2J, it's less of a boat, it's rwd, and it came with more power stock.

Those cars are under appreciated...

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Id go for a G35 (aka Skyline :P) over a GS300.

VQ is just as reputable as a 2J, it's less of a boat, it's rwd, and it came with more power stock.

Those cars are under appreciated...

 

hahhahahahahahhaahahhahahh

 

not even close man, not even within 10 leagues...

 

high power VQ's are notoriously unreliable, even when built with forged everything... stock or near stock, they're fine... low boost sc they're fine... once you're pushing past 350-400 wheel hp is issue after issue...

 

local guy had a fully built 700whp 350Z for about 2 years, in that 2 year time period he drove it maybe 3 months, the rest of the time it spend in the shop... he got fed up with it eventually and sold it for a vette ZR1.  but sweet holy balls that thing was fast when it was working right!

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hahhahahahahahhaahahhahahh

 

not even close man, not even within 10 leagues...

 

high power VQ's are notoriously unreliable, even when built with forged everything... stock or near stock, they're fine... low boost sc they're fine... once you're pushing past 350-400 wheel hp is issue after issue...

 

local guy had a fully built 700whp 350Z for about 2 years, in that 2 year time period he drove it maybe 3 months, the rest of the time it spend in the shop... he got fed up with it eventually and sold it for a vette ZR1.  but sweet holy balls that thing was fast when it was working right!

the only reason i would ever drive one with a vq engine is because of the noise. it sounds really nice and that's really all. i never was a big fan of v6s. only like inline 4s, inline 6s, v8s, v10s, and v12s. but i never liked v6s. i associate them with low power outputs.

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the only reason i would ever drive one with a vq engine is because of the noise. it sounds really nice and that's really all. i never was a big fan of v6s. only like inline 4s, inline 6s, v8s, v10s, and v12s. but i never liked v6s. i associate them with low power outputs.

 

yeah, they do sound good with the right exhaust... only V6 I know of that sounds like a straight 6

 

I guess vw's VR6 also sounds like an I6, but its closer to an I6 then a V6

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hahhahahahahahhaahahhahahh

 

not even close man, not even within 10 leagues...

 

high power VQ's are notoriously unreliable, even when built with forged everything... stock or near stock, they're fine... low boost sc they're fine... once you're pushing past 350-400 wheel hp is issue after issue...

 

local guy had a fully built 700whp 350Z for about 2 years, in that 2 year time period he drove it maybe 3 months, the rest of the time it spend in the shop... he got fed up with it eventually and sold it for a vette ZR1.  but sweet holy balls that thing was fast when it was working right!

 

The VQ was never meant to be turboed unlike the 2J... 

Stock v stock, I'd easily go for the VQ.

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The VQ was never meant to be turboed unlike the 2J... 

Stock v stock, I'd easily go for the VQ.

 

my bad, I thought you were refering to a high power VQ since we were talking sleepers and 600 hp 2JZ's and all.. :D

 

stock or near stock the VQ is a good engine, well VQ35HR and later, the DE variants are pretty pathetic in any form...

 

if we're going VQ vs the NA 2JZ thats in the GS300 and similar, yes the VQ is better (even the DE).  But the turbo 2JZ-GTE is better than any VQ, stock or not.

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If you're going to have a high-output VQ, it better be built for N/A performance. Gosh I would love to do that to my dads car. It's so expensive to do a N/A build though.

And @warmmilk the VQ35DE isn't that bad... The revup model at least. They consume oil though with age. But they still sound amazing and are better than a stock 2JZ (they are actually decent on mpg too lol)

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More PC parts in this one :D

 

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So I send him the link to some polyurathane front sway bar and endlink bushings. (with grease fittiings so they won't squeak like a bitch!)

TBH they do look good in red. (+50 hp)

 

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oh boy, the urge to do an ls swap is real

 

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If you're going to have a high-output VQ, it better be built for N/A performance. Gosh I would love to do that to my dads car. It's so expensive to do a N/A build though.

And @warmmilk the VQ35DE isn't that bad... The revup model at least. They consume oil though with age. But they still sound amazing and are better than a stock 2JZ (they are actually decent on mpg too lol)

 

better then an NA version of an engine that was designed from the ground up to be a turbo engine, that's a decade older is a really low target...

 

it sounds good and it makes ok power, but horrible specific power output.  Even the revups at best made something like 240-250whp... for a 3.5 liter.. that supposed to be an engine that goes into a sports car...  I mean thats ok for a minivan or a family car, but not for a sports car engine.  not to mention they run hot, if you wanna track it you absolutely need an oil cooler.  and NA build? really? this is possibly the worst engine for an NA build...  a complete full NA build will make around 310 whp... you might be able to squeeze up to to about 350 if you run race gas all the time and give it the compression to take advantage of that along with a really aggressive tune.  and a build like this will cost you 10k absolute minimum, prolly closer to 15...  thats pretty pathetic power output for a 3.5 liter.  

and if you go bolt on's only, the only 2 mods that give you any real power is the plenum spacer and SG longtube headers...  with both of those and a tune you might be able to pick up 15ish whp.  between those 2 parts, osiris to tune it, and the actual tune, you'll looking at about 4k... and you'll want a good catback exhaust to go along with that.  so all said and done you're looking at 270whp if you're lucky and you're out 4-5k on parts alone.

I mean it would be ok if it came with family car reliability along with that family car power, but most of them eat oil like a Subaru...  the only thing the DE has going for it is the sound and flat torque curve... but the flat torque curve to to be expected with the displacement and pedestrian power output...

 

Keep in mind, I've owned a 350Z... but it was an HR :D  its really much more of a difference the the 10 hp on paper... I raced a bunch of full bolt on DE's, revup and non revup, walked them all no problem when I was still completely stock.  but this was before SG came along and brought his longtube headers, with those it'd prolly be a lot closer.

 

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oh boy, the urge to do an ls swap is real

 

why swap an ls, when you can swap a bmw s62?

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oh boy, the urge to do an ls swap is real

 

 

ablurgfadsoijwermdsf   :wub:  :wub:  :wub:  you're giving me bad idea's for the 328i daily I just bought...

 

speaking of LS1's, an LS1 swap is prolly the most cost affective and most reliable way to increase power significantly in a Z or G35...

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why swap an ls, when you can swap a bmw s62?

reliability. It would be awesome, but it costs allot more as well as not being nearly as easy to implement. There is already a ton of documentation out there when it comes to ls swaps and i can buy pre made engine mounts.

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why swap an ls, when you can swap a bmw s62?

1. dat idle

2. torque

3. dat idle

4. much higher power potential NA

5. dat idle

6. its prolly cheaper

7. dat idle

8. torque

9. dat idle

10. can't say for sure, but I'd be willing to bet the LS1 is lighter

11. dat idle

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why swap an ls, when you can swap a bmw s62?

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That looks good. 5.7 is still pretty big IMO. How's fuel economy compared to a 5.3 or 4.8? Probably more about gearing? If I ever end up doing the swap, I'd most likely lean towards an L33, because the smaller displacement, but still an aluminum block... or an S62 :P

 

The VQ was never meant to be turboed unlike the 2J... 

Stock v stock, I'd easily go for the VQ.

Nissan made a VQ30DET from factory for a few JDM models. That being said, they ran super low boost.. maybe I should turbo mine  :ph34r:

 

oh boy, the urge to do an ls swap is real

 

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1. dat idle

2. torque

3. dat idle

4. much higher power potential NA

5. dat idle

6. its prolly cheaper

7. dat idle

8. torque

9. dat idle

10. can't say for sure, but I'd be willing to bet the LS1 is lighter

11. dat idle

LS1's are lighter than S62's. And it is significantly cheaper, especially when factoring upkeep/maintenance into the picture. And like you said, it'll make power loads easier. That being said, I'd rather have an S62 in my car than an LS1. Putting a pushrod American engine into a German luxury car seems a bit sacrilegious :P S62's are also arguably one of the best power plants BMW has ever created. It would feel odd not to put it into a BMW that you're planning on V8 swapping, or at least considering it as an option

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LS1's are lighter than S62's. And it is significantly cheaper, especially when factoring upkeep/maintenance into the picture. And like you said, it'll make power loads easier. That being said, I'd rather have an S62 in my car than an LS1. Putting a pushrod American engine into a German luxury car seems a bit sacrilegious :P S62's are also arguably one of the best power plants BMW has ever created. It would feel odd not to put it into a BMW that you're planning on V8 swapping, or at least considering it as an option

 

I like the concept of a brute force American engine in a "sophisticated" German car...

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I like the concept of a brute force American engine in a "sophisticated" German car...

That E39 wagon you post is on my list of top ten wanted cars  :wub:

I dont know. It bugs my OCD a bit. I like keeping it in-brand. But LS's may be an exception, since they're so common/cheap/powerful/reliable.

 

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