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I have a system running an intel I7-2600 cpu (also 16 gigs ddr3), and am saving for the best gpu that won't get bottlenecked by this several years old system. Do you guys think it'll be okay, or should i settle for 1060? do you think i could go even further with a gtx 1080?

 

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A 1060 would bottleneck your system in a lot of games, especially the 3GB version (go figure). I would go for a 980ti, or 1070 if it were me!

 

I would say you could always spring for a 1080 if you plan on rebuilding in the next year or two, but with GPU prices being what they are, I wouldn't recommend that route.

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i7-2600 is fine for a 1070.  It will hold back a 1080 by just a bit depending on the game, but it would be fine otherwise.  A year or so down the road you could upgrade CPU/MB/RAM and get a bit of a boost without needing a new GPU again.

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id definitely like to upgrade down the road to a newer cpu (and company), so maybe ill save for a 1080. especially cause last week i swear i saw a 1080 or  1080 ti go cheaper than anything else >_> prices are so unbelievable. dark times...

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How can we know what botlenecks how much, if you don't tell us what software you use, and what settings?

Bottleneck depends completely on your Software.

It's impossible to generalize that for any hardware combination.

 

Either any GPU will bottleneck hard, or your CPU will hard, or both just alittle.
You can have scenarios, where it will bottleneck a GTX 1050 ti, and where it will NOT bottleneck a 1080 ti.

 

 

However, take a different approach to this.

Does your CPU deliver enough fps for you? If it doesn't, it doesn't matter what GPU you put in, you will never have enough fps. --> you need to replace your CPU.

Does your CPU deliver enough fps for you? Then why do you ask about the GPU? Just put the GPU in you can afford, or which performance you need.

 

You can't have any "too much GPU Power".

 

Example, your CPU can deliver 80 fps only, but that's enough for you.

A GTX 1080 might hit 100 fps --> but gets bottlenecked to 80 fps.

However, you can simply increase Graphic settings, so you get only 75-80 fps (no CPU bottleneck anymore) and you get better visuals.

 

 

I don't see any reason to just upgrade your CPU because some People say you should, without even knowing if it even makes ANY problems whatsoever. Except you like to throw money around. ^^

 

Why don't you just see for yourself how it works together?

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What res and games? I have problems with both of my cpu's but only in 2-3 games.

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The 1060 6Gb is not bottlenecked by this I7-2600K. I use it, plays games flawless. Wolfenstein 2 maxed out. 100+ FPS.

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1070/1070Ti/1080 is probably about the upper limit depending on the game.

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7 minutes ago, alphaproject said:

The 1060 6Gb is not bottlenecked by this I7-2600K

This is a non-K, so overclocking is not really an option.  4.2GHz at most.  

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Play at a higher res 1440 or 4k and you won't bottle neck any current cards including 1080ti.

2700 will only bottle neck at 1080p but who needs 200fps anyway.

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at 60fps only a handful of games will be bottlenecked by the 2600 (Dragon Age 3, ACU, Ashes of Benchmarks, Shadow of War), and expect newer games too, I had to run my 2600k back in the days at 4.5~ for Shadow of Mordor and DA3 to hit 60fps with a 970 (a bit worse than a 1060)

 

at 120fps it will bottleneck the card a decent amount (if u play on low-medium 1080p)

 

a 1060 is the max i'd go for a 2600 non-k. A potential upgrade would be a 3770k if you have a z77 board if you can find one used for cheaps.

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I have a i7 2600k OC to 4.4GHz paired with a GTX 1080 and so far it’s been fine with no issues. Don’t underestimate this warrior of a CPU, although definitely starting to show its age is still solid. I do know that I’m only going to get maybe two more years out of it if I’m very lucky but the price it would cost to upgrade right now (ram, mobo and obviously cpu) isn’t worth it in my opinion at this moment. Hopefully he can hold out just a bit longer :P

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Don't reduce yourself to a lower end graphic card, just because an old CPU. You can upgrade your Platform anytime later, if needed.

Just because of that to go 1060 max instead anything higher (if you want that performance and can afford it) is completely stupid. You won't gain ANYTHING with this.


You can ALWAYS br ing a GPU down.

 

You can have an overclocked titan X (pascal) and you won't even hit 30 fps in GTA 5 in 1080p. With just using the ingame settings.

There is no such thing as "too much GPU Performance".

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I doubt cpu bottle necks are obvious. Given the 1060 you listed I'm guessing you won't exceed 60fps?
If so then you don't have to worry about cpu bottlenecking.

 

CPU bottlenecking is irrelevant for mainstream setups [eg 1080p 60hz gaming on medium/high settings], the only time it's obvious is more related to say high frame rate gaming [144-165+hz] where then only CPU limitations will show [Ryzen Vs Intel as an example similar tier chips]

 

also graphics cards are quite expensive, cpus otoh are cheap for what they are [the main powercore of the system]... i wouldn't gimp on the graphics card imo... wih 1060 messing up prices at the moment due to mining it's like as if buying a 1080/1080Ti [brand new] is much better :\ even though it sounds retarded/stupid to say.... at least thats what happened to me. initlaly wanted a 1070, ended up getting a 1080Ti due to price hikes bring it close to 1080Ti territory [200$+]

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I could bechmark a GTX 1080 and i7 with 16gb RAM for you if you'd like. It will be a few days though.

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4 hours ago, Darkseth said:

Don't reduce yourself to a lower end graphic card, just because an old CPU. You can upgrade your Platform anytime later, if needed.

This is the most important advice here.  A lot of people here use 'bottle necking' wrong.  They seem to think of it as a 'hard wall' where no matter how much GPU power so with a certian CPU, a 1080 will work 'no better' than a 1070.  No review for any CPU and GPU has ever shown this and there are are plenty benchmarks online where major sites have taken something like a 1080 or 1080to and benched it across many generations.  What you see is a decrease in EFFICIENCY.   As in 'This GPU gets 5% more frames with this newer CPU than this older one, but it still does better than the 1070 on the same CPU'.

 

A lot of 'bottle necking' suggestions I see on this forum are usually people suggesting that someone under buy for fear of 'bottle necking'.  In almost every game, a 1080 with an i7 2600 will run 'great', and it'll run better than a 1060 or 1070 on the same CPU.  But hey, I'm someone who literally strapped a GTX 1080 to a MOBILE i7 2630qm and then ran GTA5 at 4K on it.  It didn't run ultra, mostly 'normal' or 'normal-high' settings but it hit 60fps pretty well.  And that's a laptop CPU with a 2.0ghz baseclock which the desktop 2600 would run laps around.

If you buy a 1080 today too, as you said, you can also use it on your NEXT CPU and get 2-3 years of life out of that GPU easily.

 

Of course, there is the question lately of weather someone, with ANY desktop, should buy a 1080 or something with the prices they go for right now. :/

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I have rigs that are hardcore bottlenecked, there is no practical difference between a GTX 960 and a Titan v in them.  Granted, they use CPU's that are nearly a decade old at this point.

 

SB and above are "fast enough" for pretty much any GPU in most cases.  The number of games that are significantly CPU limited by them is quite small unless you are looking for 100+ FPS.

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5 hours ago, Darkseth said:

 

 

Example, your CPU can deliver 80 fps only, but that's enough for you.

A GTX 1080 might hit 100 fps --> but gets bottlenecked to 80 fps.

However, you can simply increase Graphic settings, so you get only 75-80 fps (no CPU bottleneck anymore) and you get better visuals.

That's not how it works. Increasing the graphics settings would just make your CPU bottleneck even harder. 

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1 minute ago, Apepa said:

That's not how it works. Increasing the graphics settings would just make your CPU bottleneck even harder. 

Not true.

 

Graphics settings rarely hit the CPU.  I have a spare rig with a pair of 10 year old CPU's in it, I would know.

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2 hours ago, KarathKasun said:

Not true.

 

Graphics settings rarely hit the CPU.  I have a spare rig with a pair of 10 year old CPU's in it, I would know.

I have a spare rig with a Phenom X4 that I ended up using with my 1060 last month while I was waiting for a replacement motherboard for my Coffeelake machine. It's true.

 

There are also hundreds of benchmarks out there that demonstrate it. Resolution and texture quality won't have much impact on the CPU, but most other settings will.

 

Don't make a fool of yourself.

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3 hours ago, KarathKasun said:

Not true.

 

Graphics settings rarely hit the CPU.  I have a spare rig with a pair of 10 year old CPU's in it, I would know.

some settings do hit the cpu, usually has to do with post-processing and physics.

 

At 60fps though, it's...rare.

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5 hours ago, Apepa said:

I have a spare rig with a Phenom X4 that I ended up using with my 1060 last month while I was waiting for a replacement motherboard for my Coffeelake machine. It's true.

 

There are also hundreds of benchmarks out there that demonstrate it. Resolution and texture quality won't have much impact on the CPU, but most other settings will.

 

Don't make a fool of yourself.

Noone has to, you are doing it already...

 

You are completely mistaken there, buddy.

 

There are just a few Settings, that impact CPU. Shadows, Object count/distance etc. That's far from beeing most.

 

But Resolution, Textures, Anti aliasing? Nope.

 

You have way too much GPU Power? Increase resolution (DSR), increase Anti Aliasing, increase textures for example. use a better Ambient Occlusion, 

 

Even by increasing the settings overall, the stress on the GPU rises by FAR stronger, than the stress on the CPU by smaller things like objects.

 

Otherwise, in 4k Ultra, you would have a stronger CPU Bottleneck, than at 1080p Medium. But that's completely false.

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7 hours ago, Apepa said:

a Phenom X4

Of course, let's not forget that the Phenom X4 is an exceptionally slow CPU overall.  I have one, well, I have an A8-3870K, which is just a Phenom II 4X at 3.0ghz with some Radeon cores bolted to it.  Let's go compare my history of Cinebench scores:

 

287 in R15.  Literally my 15w dual core i7 7500u has a score of 298.  i5 2300?  404.  Mobile i7 2630qm?  422.  That's 422 for a 2.0ghz base clock quad core hyper threaded CPU.  The desktop i7 2600 would be a good bit faster but I don't have any exact tests for a 2600.  Well, let's go to the internet: 

616 on a stock i7 2600.

 

A quad core AMD Phenom and quad core Intel Sandy Bridge are simply NOT comparable.  So yes, you will definitely see huge sinks in efficiency with a CPU that is that slow but we are talking about a Sandy Bridge build, not a Phenom build.

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2 minutes ago, Darkseth said:

You are completely mistaken there, buddy.

I have a spare rig with a Phenom X4 that I ended up using with my 1060 last month while I was waiting for a replacement motherboard for my Coffeelake machine.

 

I have a spare rig with a Phenom X4 that I ended up using with my 1060 last month while I was waiting for a replacement motherboard for my Coffeelake machine.

 

I have a spare rig with a Phenom X4 that I ended up using with my 1060 last month while I was waiting for a replacement motherboard for my Coffeelake machine.

 

I have a spare rig with a Phenom X4 that I ended up using with my 1060 last month while I was waiting for a replacement motherboard for my Coffeelake machine.

 

 

 

5 minutes ago, Darkseth said:

There are just a few Settings, that impact CPU. Shadows, Object count/distance etc. That's far from beeing most.

 

But Resolution, Textures, Anti aliasing? Nope.

Erm...

6 hours ago, Apepa said:

Resolution and texture quality won't have much impact on the CPU, but most other settings will.

Oh, and yes, most settings in games aren't Res, textures, AA. Shadows, additional lighting, mesh quality, particle effects, draw distance, grass, object density.

 

You are being a Donald right now.

 

26 minutes ago, Darkseth said:

You have way too much GPU Power? Increase resolution (DSR), increase Anti Aliasing, increase textures for example. use a better Ambient Occlusion, 

 

 

Yeah, increasing resolution beyond native and increasing AA aren't going to have anywhere near the improvement in image quality as the other settings I mentioned will.

 

32 minutes ago, Darkseth said:

 

Even by increasing the settings overall, the stress on the GPU rises by FAR stronger, than the stress on the CPU by smaller things like objects.

 

The effect of which is going to be relative to the power of your CPU vs the power of your GPU.

 

1 hour ago, Darkseth said:

Otherwise, in 4k Ultra, you would have a stronger CPU Bottleneck, than at 1080p Medium. But that's completely false.

Except your main bottleneck at 4K Ultra is going to be the GPU by a wide margin, even on a 1080Ti.

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17 minutes ago, AshleyAshes said:

Of course, let's not forget that the Phenom X4 is an exceptionally slow CPU overall.  I have one, well, I have an A8-3870K, which is just a Phenom II 4X at 3.0ghz with some Radeon cores bolted to it.  Let's go compare my history of Cinebench scores:

 

287 in R15.  Literally my 15w dual core i7 7500u has a score of 298.  i5 2300?  404.  Mobile i7 2630qm?  422.  That's 422 for a 2.0ghz base clock quad core hyper threaded CPU.  The desktop i7 2600 would be a good bit faster but I don't have any exact tests for a 2600.  Well, let's go to the internet: 

616 on a stock i7 2600.

 

A quad core AMD Phenom and quad core Intel Sandy Bridge are simply NOT comparable.  So yes, you will definitely see huge sinks in efficiency with a CPU that is that slow but we are talking about a Sandy Bridge build, not a Phenom build.

Please, for the love of god, read the thread first.

 

I mentioned the Phenom II because someone else said:

10 hours ago, KarathKasun said:

Not true.

 

Graphics settings rarely hit the CPU.  I have a spare rig with a pair of 10 year old CPU's in it, I would know.

10-year old CPU. Apples to Apples.

 

I'm not comparing Sandy Bridge to a Phenom, I'm commenting on the fact that increasing graphics settings will make a CPU bottleneck even worse.

 

Good Lord. The humanity.

 

EDIT: And that even goes for old games from when the Phenom was relevant. TESTED

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