How do I explain to a friend looking to get into PC gaming in easy wording that they do not NEED an i7 for Battlefield 1

[LaboonTheWhale]

Hey guys. Its the argument that happens over and over again. i7 is best, you have to have an i7 for gaming. 

 

So I have an xbox elitest friend thats caving and getting into PC gaming. He is a big battlefield 1 fan and is going to focus on that. He doesnt have much money so I'm trying to help him out as the monetary difference of an i5 and i7 could easily be put elsewhere. 

 

The recommended specs call for an i7 4790 which is 3 years old now. But he thinks all i7 are equal so he needs to get the 8700k. 

 

Whats an easier way to explain theres generational gaps in performance. I'm sure an i5 8600 could do everything that the i7-4790k calls for. But they dont seem to understand. They are only following what the BF1 spec sheet says. 

[LaboonTheWhale]

1 minute ago, CUDA_Cores said:

tell them they're stupid. 

I do give them an hourly reminder about that. 

[LienusLateTips]

Give him strict CPU benchmarks. i7 4790 vs i5 8600K.
 

 

Civilization 6, Cinebench, etc.

 

Or just buy him a 4790 used and call it a day.

[LaboonTheWhale]

1 minute ago, JDE said:

Give him strict CPU benchmarks. i7 4790 vs i5 8600K.
 

 

Civilization 6, Cinebench, etc.

 

Or just buy him a 4790 used and call it a day.

they're looking at best buy prebuilts ill look for benchmarks though. 

[WolfGar]

first off their not stupid.  Second, what games are they playing, what other things are they going to do.  

 

1. Ram. 16 gig is very helpful

2. SSD faster loads and runs.

3. i5 or i7 I still have a system with a 6700k and smokes all the games still. 

4. GPU.  I have one system with 780 GTX and works great

 

Older system still smoken the baddies

 

[LaboonTheWhale]

9 minutes ago, CUDA_Cores said:

Like when my mom was considering getting a mac and I told her she would lose tech support from me. 

Oof that is probably the biggest threat i could throw at my mom. 

 

9 minutes ago, WolfGar said:

first off their not stupid.  Second, what games are they playing, what other things are they going to do.  

 

1. Ram. 16 gig is very helpful

2. SSD faster loads and runs.

3. i5 or i7 I still have a system with a 6700k and smokes all the games still. 

4. GPU.  I have one system with 780 GTX and works great

 

Older system still smoken the baddies

 

Oh I told them they're stupid before getting into PC's. Thats what friends do right? 

[LienusLateTips]

1 minute ago, CUDA_Cores said:

Tell them if they choose an i7 they will lose your support if they choose to build a gaming PC around it. 

 

Works every time. 

 

Like when my mom was considering getting a mac and I told her she would lose tech support from me. 

Can recommend, 10/10. I'd told my mom that too when she tried to buy a A8 system from Best Buy for like $600 or something.

[Tokeegee]

You can't.

[Clem Fandango]

My nephew asked the same thing 3 years ago, because his friend had an i7-xxxx K he thought he needed one.

So I asked him if he knew anything about overclocking 'No' was his answer. So I put a high end quad core Xeon in his gaming rig. Haven't heard from him since....

[Jurrunio]

It's his money, and it's his choice. On the good side, using an 8700k means the system wont need a CPU upgrade for a very long time.

3 minutes ago, Clem Fandango said:

My nephew asked the same thing 3 years ago, because his friend had an i7-xxxx K he thought he needed one.

So I asked him did he know anything about overclocking 'No' was his answer. So I put a high end quad core Xeon in his gaming rig. Haven't heard from him since....

Good choice on the Xeon. His friend probably dont know anything about Xeon so he cant talk back as an argument like 'your PC sucks!!!'. I wonder if he think's it's just some witch craft that also runs games...

[Ginger_]

2 minutes ago, JDE said:

Can recommend, 10/10. I'd told my mom that too when she tried to buy a A8 system from Best Buy for like $600 or something.

I think I would never talk to someone again if they bought an A8 system for that much today.

 

12 minutes ago, LaboonTheWhale said:

They are only following what the BF1 spec sheet says

Just tell them a Ryzen 7 is the equivalent of an i7, and buy him a 1700. They're super cheap now with 2nd gen Ryzen coming out

[Princess Luna]

It is very simple, the i5 8600k has 6 present day cores, the i7 4790k has 4 old cores.

 

Simple math is not that hard is it? 6 > 4?

[Clem Fandango]

Just now, Jurrunio said:

 

Good choice on the Xeon. His friend probably dont know anything about Xeon so he cant talk back as an argument like 'your's suck!!!'. I wonder if he think's it's just some witch craft that also runs games...

I doubt his friend knew what the 'K' meant on his i7 CPU. I tried to explain it to my nephew but he switched off after 5 minutes and his eyes rolled back in his head. That's gratitude for you

[Clem Fandango]

18 minutes ago, LaboonTheWhale said:

 

So I have an xbox elitest......

Save yourselves an argument and tell him to stick to his Xbox

[LaboonTheWhale]

Found a benchmark with the 8600k and 4790k included. 4790k hovering around 130. while the 8600k was at 180. hopefully this is good enough... ~40% difference? 

[Jurrunio]

1 minute ago, Clem Fandango said:

I doubt his friend knew what the 'K' meant on his i7 CPU.

Having the 'K' means better? Kid's logic...

[NumLock21]

3 minutes ago, Princess Cadence said:

It is very simple, the i5 8600k has 6 present day cores, the i7 4790k has 4 old cores.

 

Simple math is not that hard is it? 6 > 4?

8T vs 6T

8T > 6T

[Clem Fandango]

Just now, Jurrunio said:

Having the 'K' means better? Kid's logic...

I'm with you on that

[Jurrunio]

1 minute ago, NumLock21 said:

8T vs 6T

8T > 6T

Tell them those extra threads are just virtual cores

[Clyne]

There are cases where you'd want minimum FPS, for 144HZ or whatever. The video you linked showed the 4790K around 130 FPS, while the 8700K is around 180 FPS. I bought a 7700K for 60HZ gaming because there are cases where I'd need single thread. 

[LaboonTheWhale]

1 minute ago, Bubblewhale said:

There are cases where you'd want minimum FPS, for 144HZ or whatever. The video you linked showed the 4790K around 130 FPS, while the 8700K is around 180 FPS. I bought a 7700K for 60HZ gaming because there are cases where I'd need single thread. 

I'm just trying to break the stigma to him that "I need the 8700k because BF1 says I need an i7". Its more so trying to save him money as to be honest he doesnt have that much to waste.  

[Princess Luna]

7 minutes ago, NumLock21 said:

8T vs 6T

8T > 6T

Hyper-Threading in the best case scenario improves the core performance by 30%, it is as @Jurrunio mentioned virtual, you simply create 2 paths of data into the core instead of a single path, so you have 2 lines of data with Hyper-Threading decreasing any possible latency to near zero which increases the core performance, however you still only have 1 core processing every thing.

 

So count it by threads is pointless, you count for cores and then if the processors have the same core count, use threads as an untie point, like for real just go see why 4c/4t is better than 2c/4t.

 

[Clyne]

4 minutes ago, LaboonTheWhale said:

I'm just trying to break the stigma to him that "I need the 8700k because BF1 says I need an i7". Its more so trying to save him money as to be honest he doesnt have that much to waste.  

Well you should, I'm sure the i5 would do perfectly fine but it's his money. You do realize getting 1151 is actually more expensive than 1150 right, expensive DDR4 prices still makes Haswell still viable. A used 4790K goes around 200-220, 8600K for 250. Boards for 1150 are around sub 100, and DDR3 ram is generally around 80 for 16GB. 

[LaboonTheWhale]

2 minutes ago, Bubblewhale said:

Well you should, I'm sure the i5 would do perfectly fine but it's his money. You do realize getting 1151 is actually more expensive than 1150 right, expensive DDR4 prices still makes Haswell still viable. A used 4790K goes around 200-220, 8600K for 250. Boards for 1150 are around sub 100, and DDR3 ram is generally around 80 for 16GB. 

He's looking at pre-builts only right now which is where I'm trying to get him away from an 8700k prebuilt. plenty of other better deals I'm trying to hunt down for him. 

[dcgreen2k]

Tell him that the CPU technology hasn't changed that much and he would be overpaying for something that won't make as much a difference as he thinks. If he wants cores, tell him to go check out Ryzen.