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The State of Hawaii, Connecticut, North Carolina, Minnesota, Georgia, Washington, and potentially other US States are considering passing new Bills to ban Loot Boxes in Games for Minors under 21.

 

In Hawaii, this has been primarily lead by Chris Lee, a state legislator in the State of Hawaii which has reached out to some other US state legislators.

 

Opinion: Awesome! Now we just need more states and countries passing bills to ban video games sales for minors and those who may be vulnerable to the addictive nature of gambling.

 

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Its to hash to me I get under 16 or something but once you can take can drive you should be able to handle loot boxes.

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10 hours ago, GDRRiley said:

Its to hash to me I get under 16 or something but once you can take can drive you should be able to handle loot boxes.

Loot boxes are generally of an addictive nature, exploiting physiological tendencies, and several Gambling Commission around the world have already classified loot boxes in video games as gambling.

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i can assure you those players who play loot boxes are above 21 years old

 

I admit i spent a few thousands of real money worth of loot boxes

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1 minute ago, AluminiumTech said:

Loot boxes are generally of an addictive nature, exploiting physiological tendencies, and several Gambling Commission around the world including the Belgium Gambling Commission and the UK Gambling Commission have already classified loot boxes in video games as gambling.

many things are I don't see those get age restrictions, ex sugar caffeine 

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8 minutes ago, dragoon20005 said:

i can assure you those players who play loot boxes are above 21 years old

 

I admit i spent a few thousands of real money worth of loot boxes

your assurance means nothing when you are part of the dark side!!!

 

I shall smite you in the name of the almighty goodness in me.

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hmm yes setting an age restriction.. cuz M rated games are only played by people above the age of 17 right?

sounds great in theory, but realistically, it wont change anything,

 

The only way to actually fix the problem, is for the ESRB(and other outlets) to make loot boxes equivalent to in game gambling, which would make the game require an AO rating.  That would put a permanent end to the issue.

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this also seems like a way to fix bad parenting. maybe you shouldn't give you kid the credit card or check in on what their doing. 

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7 minutes ago, GDRRiley said:

this also seems like a way to fix bad parenting. maybe you shouldn't give you kid the credit card or check in on what their doing. 

To play devil's advocate, I doubt most parent's recognize loot boxes are an issue. 

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29 minutes ago, Tsuki said:

hmm yes setting an age restriction.. cuz M rated games are only played by people above the age of 17 right?

sounds great in theory, but realistically, it wont change anything,

 

The only way to actually fix the problem, is for the ESRB(and other outlets) to make loot boxes equivalent to in game gambling, which would make the game require an AO rating.  That would put a permanent end to the issue.

thats what they're trying to get it to

 

ESRB already has gambling in AO category so its only a matter of either legislatures making lootboxes fall under that category by force or companies make a proposal via self regulation

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1 hour ago, AluminiumTech said:

Loot boxes are generally of an addictive nature, exploiting physiological tendencies, and several Gambling Commission around the world including the Belgium Gambling Commission and the UK Gambling Commission have already classified loot boxes in video games as gambling.

The UK gambling commission said it couldn't class them as gambling as UK law requires a way to cash out your winnings for it to be classed as gambling.

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So it changes nothing? Cool. 

Aot of games with loot boxes already have T or M ratings. Doesn't stop kids from playing them. Most parents don't see an issue with it because we're from a generation where we ourselves played violent video games. This is basically more of a show for votes than anything else. "Look! We care! We thought about the children and did somerhikg great!" 

 

1 hour ago, GDRRiley said:

Its to hash to me I get under 16 or something but once you can take can drive you should be able to handle loot boxes.

You can't buy alcohol, an addictive substance though right? Or cigarettes?

1 hour ago, dragoon20005 said:

i can assure you those players who play loot boxes are above 21 years old

 

I admit i spent a few thousands of real money worth of loot boxes

Haha, agreed. The publicized acts are kids stealing their parents credit cards. 

 

On the flipside, it's more protecting their developing brain than it is anything else. Loot boxes alone isn't the issue, it's loot boxes and children. 

1 hour ago, GDRRiley said:

many things are I don't see those get age restrictions, ex sugar caffeine 

I haven't seen caffeine costing thousands in a single transaction that's not fatal though ;)

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3 minutes ago, dizmo said:

So it changes nothing? Cool. 

Aot of games with loot boxes already have T or M ratings. Doesn't stop kids from playing them. Most parents don't see an issue with it because we're from a generation where we ourselves played violent video games. This is basically more of a show for votes than anything else. "Look! We care! We thought about the children and did somerhikg great!" 

 

You can't buy alcohol, an addictive substance though right? Or cigarettes?

Haha, agreed. The publicized acts are kids stealing their parents credit cards. 

 

On the flipside, it's more protecting their developing brain than it is anything else. Loot boxes alone isn't the issue, it's loot boxes and children. 

I haven't seen caffeine costing thousands in a single transaction that's not fatal though ;)

minimum age for alcohol and cigarettes consumption and use is 18. Some countries including Singapore is moving it to 21 soon.

But smoking and drinking is a habit, once you start you cant really stop

 

The biggest problem is that parents let kids play their iPad or iPhone to keep them quiet when they are crying or making a scene on the public transport. Some of the games the kids play are free to play but has the pay for faster unlock system aka Loot boxes or Gachapon. And because the Credit card is always linked to the devices. The kid just need the passcode to purchase gold or "extra lives"

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3378667/Boy-charges-4-000-father-s-Apple-account-game-purchases.html

 

i say is just lazy parenting for the younger generations.

 

I grew up without toys to speak off and gets tons of caning for things i do and flunking exams, etc.

 

Parents nowaday just let the kids run wild in shopping centres and scream the top of their voice in the bus or train unless they have what they want.

 

Even the simple of cleaning up after you eat as fast food joints, i hardly see anyone do that anymore.

 

smh

 

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1 hour ago, Tsuki said:

The only way to actually fix the problem, is for the ESRB(and other outlets) to make loot boxes equivalent to in game gambling, which would make the game require an AO rating.  That would put a permanent end to the issue.

That probably end lootboxes in every game since most retailers like Bestbuy, or Walmart won't stock AO games...
So it be limited to Digital distribution, and even then Microsoft, and Sony's policies do not let AO games on their storefronts (most AO games are for PC anyway.)
As for Valve... I don't think they have a single AO game on Steam  but they certainly have games that would likely get an AO rating, even in their censored states... So I guess it would have to matter on Valve's stance on Gambling.

EDIT: Oh Hatred is on Steam never mind.
Almost forgot about that since its one of the very few AO games that isn't rated that for sexual content.

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I think the age restriction is too high. I was going to point out that you can buy alcohol earlier than you can buy lootbox but apparently the legal drinking age is 21 in all of those states, which I think is crazy. Are you seriously telling me that an 18 year old isn't allowed to drink in these states? 

 

I haven't read the bill, but judging by the title I really don't like it.

1) Age restriction is too high. The US seems to have this really weird view of legal limits where I think everything is too high, except a few things which are too low. No sex until you're 18? No drinking until you're 21? But you are allowed to drive cars at 16? Where is the logic in that?

 

2) This can do some serious damage to games which handle loot boxes well. Games such as Hearthstone where they are easy to earn in-game through regular gameplay. Games like Rainbow 6 Siege where it is only cosmetics (at least from what I know, correct me if I'm wrong).

 

3) Chances are this bill won't actually do anything.

 

4) If something happens, such as a 21 year old rating on games, then chances are it might scare parents off for the wrong reasons. A game like GTA where you do drugs, have sex and kill people? Let's give that a rating of 17. Hearthstone which is a cartoony card game very similar to the Pokemon card game nobody ever had any issues with? Let's slap a 21+ rating on that!

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1 minute ago, Sypran said:

That probably end lootboxes in every game since most retailers like Bestbuy, or Walmart won't stock AO games...
So it be limited to Digital distribution, and I am not sure of Microsoft, or Sony's policies on AO games.
As for Valve... I don't think they have a single AO game on Steam, but they certainly have games that would likely get an AO rating, even in their censored states... So I guess it would have to matter on Valve's stance on Gambling.

thats the exact point i was making. :)   nobody stocks AO games, it would end it instantly.

1 minute ago, LAwLz said:

I think the age restriction is too high. I was going to point out that you can buy alcohol earlier than you can buy lootbox but apparently the legal drinking age is 21 in all of those states, which I think is crazy. Are you seriously telling me that an 18 year old isn't allowed to drink in these states? 

 

I haven't read the bill, but judging by the title I really don't like it.

1) Age restriction is too high. The US seems to have this really weird view of legal limits where I think everything is too high, except a few things which are too low. No sex until you're 18? No drinking until you're 21? But you are allowed to drive cars at 16? Where is the logic in that?

 

2) This can do some serious damage to games which handle loot boxes well. Games such as Hearthstone where they are easy to earn in-game through regular gameplay. Games like Rainbow 6 Siege where it is only cosmetics (at least from what I know, correct me if I'm wrong).

 

3) Chances are this bill won't actually do anything.

 

4) If something happens, such as a 21 year old rating on games, then chances are it might scare parents off for the wrong reasons. A game like GTA where you do drugs, have sex and kill people? Let's give that a rating of 17. Hearthstone which is a cartoony card game very similar to the Pokemon card game nobody ever had any issues with? Let's slap a 21+ rating on that!

I live in oregon, drinking age is 21, but i can sign up to kill people for my country at 17.

i havent read the bill either, but to respond to your points:

1) AO rating would put it at 18+, which is the age you're legally an adult and is the perfect age to set this at

2) i agree. lootboxes suck in general but are fine when done right. (personally i disagree about hearthstone, since its p2w, but i think overwatch is fine since its purely cosmetic).

3) correct, unless the esrb gets involved, nothing will change

4) see 1

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9 minutes ago, dragoon20005 said:

minimum age for alcohol and cigarettes consumption and use is 18. Some countries including Singapore is moving it to 21 soon.

But smoking and drinking is a habit, once you start you cant really stop

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That's the point. So is gambling. Large parts of the US the age of majority is 21.

 

I grew up with lots of toys. Having possessions doesn't indicate poor parenting. The child in that situation shouldn't have had the password, or purchase should have been tied to a fingerprint. 

 

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3 minutes ago, Tsuki said:

personally i disagree about hearthstone, since its p2w, but i think overwatch is fine since its purely cosmetic

You can play Hearthstone (and win)  without paying anything. I've only bought one 50 pack of cards and that always for the Frozen Throne expansion. If you enjoy the game, then spend some money on card packs. Is it easier to win with all the cards? Sure. But it's by no means a requirement. 

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16 minutes ago, LAwLz said:

No sex until you're 18? No drinking until you're 21? But you are allowed to drive cars at 16? Where is the logic in that?

No sex until you're 18? Never heard of a law of that kind (I might be wrong so please do correct me if so)

 

No drinking until you're 21? I totally agree with that. Alcohol in large quantity damages your health and in small quantity makes you take/have bad decisions that could escalate.

 

But you are allowed to drive cars at 16? Why not. Having driving lessons and driving theory classes should discipline you. This is a way of education. But if you're an ass because that's your personality, you're gonna drive like an ass.

 

Personally I think that legal age for buying games should be 18 (the special games that shouldn't be played by kids). It's beyond my understanding how a 14 or 15 or any age under 18 is allowed to have access to money. Even more, money from bank accounts which can be used to buy stuff online. IMO it's all about parenting. I personally just spent @£100 recently for loot boxes in Wold of Tanks. But I don't care, I'm a grown up that has a full time job and I can do whatever I want with my money.

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39 minutes ago, LAwLz said:

 apparently the legal drinking age is 21 in all of those states, which I think is crazy. Are you seriously telling me that an 18 year old isn't allowed to drink in these states?

Yep... You can even join the military and 'die for your country' at 18, but you can't crack open a cold one.
Its really dumb.
Oh as for the sex thing you said later on: Each state has a different age of consent. Some its 16 others 17. Its just nationally its 18 so a state can't say "you must be +21!"  - Though I do think you have to be a certain age no matter what state to be in porn...

39 minutes ago, LAwLz said:

2) This can do some serious damage to games which handle loot boxes well. Games such as Hearthstone where they are easy to earn in-game through regular gameplay. Games like Rainbow 6 Siege where it is only cosmetics (at least from what I know, correct me if I'm wrong).

Ive come to really dislike the "Its only cosmetic so its ok" argument. Mostly cause I grew up and was used to these things being unlockables, but now its just a way to milk more money out of people... Also it still kinda irks me to pay to access something that I technically already have on my hard drive.

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3 hours ago, Tsuki said:

hmm yes setting an age restriction.. cuz M rated games are only played by people above the age of 17 right?

sounds great in theory, but realistically, it wont change anything,

It'll legally restrict games sales to one of the main target demographics for these games.

3 hours ago, Tsuki said:

The only way to actually fix the problem, is for the ESRB(and other outlets) to make loot boxes equivalent to in game gambling, which would make the game require an AO rating.  That would put a permanent end to the issue.

Some countries like the UK and Belgium are already fighting this.

 

Hawaii and other states may classify it as gambling in their upcoming bill.

4 hours ago, dragoon20005 said:

i can assure you those players who play loot boxes are above 21 years old

I can assure you that, assuming loot boxes in games is classified as Gambling, many people under the age of 21 let alone 18 have spent ridiculous amounts of money on them.

1 hour ago, Sypran said:

Ive come to really dislike the "Its only cosmetic so its ok" argument. Mostly cause I grew up and was used to these things being unlockables, but now its just a way to milk more money out of people... Also it still kinda irks me to pay to access something that I technically already have on my hard drive.

Same

1 hour ago, r3loAded said:

No sex until you're 18? Never heard of a law of that kind (I might be wrong so please do correct me if so)

 

No drinking until you're 21? I totally agree with that. Alcohol in large quantity damages your health and in small quantity makes you take/have bad decisions that could escalate.

Yeah. A lot of people in the UK have drinking problems.

1 hour ago, r3loAded said:

Personally I think that legal age for buying games should be 18 (the special games that shouldn't be played by kids). It's beyond my understanding how a 14 or 15 or any age under 18 is allowed to have access to money. Even more, money from bank accounts which can be used to buy stuff online.

Nah, I think 16 is old enough for some mature individual but children do need more education about finance management.

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sure, this will probably end up doing literally nothing. you just put you were born whenever so you are 21 or whatever just like how kiddies get FB or whatever

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4 minutes ago, AluminiumTech said:

It'll legally restrict games sales to one of the main target demographics for these games.

Some countries like the UK and Belgium are already fighting this.

 

Hawaii and other states may classify it as gambling in their upcoming bill.

I can assure you that, assuming loot boxes in games is classified as Gambling, many people under the age of 21 let alone 18 have spent ridiculous amounts of money on them.

Same

Yeah. A lot of people in the UK have drinking problems.

Nah, I think 16 is old enough for some mature individual but children do need more education about finance management.

you should know Maple Story MMORPG

 

yes that game

 

Guess what?

I spent like 15,000 dollars on that game!

 

But what made me drop that game was a major server hack which wiped all my belongings

 

I wrecked their office and was thrown out of the place

 

and yea never got back my money >:(

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