Gaming Build from my 13 year old son...

[ZachL5]

Hello.  Here's a Gaming Build from my 13 year old son (he put it together himself with help from PCpartpicker).   I would like to request any recommendations, suggestions and opinions from more experienced gamers regarding this build.  Is there any changes that could make this a better sub $1000 gaming rig?

 

AMD - Ryzen 5 1600 3.2GHz 6-Core Processo

Cooler Master - Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler

Asus - STRIX B350-F GAMING ATX AM4 Motherboard

G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory

Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive

EVGA - GeForce GTX 1060 6GB 6GB SC GAMING Video Card

Corsair - 200R ATX Mid Tower Case

EVGA - SuperNOVA NEX 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply

Asus - DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer

Microsoft - Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit

Acer - GN246HL 24.0" 1920x1080 144Hz Monitor

 

Thank you very much!

[seon123]

Use the stock cooler instead of the 212 Evo. Alternatively, change it to a better cooler, like the Cryorig H7/H5 or the Dark Rock 3.

The PSU isn't very good. 

Which country do you live in?

[Jurrunio]

Any direct link to PCPP for this build?

[Princess Luna]

Well sure, you can cut a few corners,

 

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/nLx9TW/asus-prime-b350m-a-micro-atx-am4-motherboard-prime-b350m-a

 

Cheaper but still extremely reliable motherboard.

 

If you plan going with a GTX 1060 the Ryzen 5 1400 already is enough processor to see it reach full potential in gaming.

 

Cooler Master - Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler  - This is completely unnecessary as the Ryzen non-X processors already come with excellent stock coolers.

 

The NEX power supplies are overpriced junk, a Corsair TX550M is cheaper and by all means enough for the build (while actually better quality over all).

[kelvinhall05]

Don't buy 16GB of RAM. It's retardedly expensive right now, and he also needs it to be high clocked, meaning he's spending around $300 on RAM alone. Drop it down to 8GB, that'll suffice. As mentioned before, get a cheaper motherboard, drop the cooler or buy a better one, get an SSD, a better PSU, and drop the optical drive.

[hconverse02]

Drop the cooler, get a $70 motherboard (asrock ab350 pro 4), get 8gb of ram and get a 1070 or 1070ti instead. like @kelvinhall05 said, 16gb of ram is crazy expensive, unless you find some for <$125 3000mhz for black friday.

[kelvinhall05]

Just now, hconverse02 said:

Drop the cooler, get a $70 motherboard (asrock ab350 pro 4), get 8gb of ram and get a 1070 or 1070ti instead. like @kelvinhall05 said, 16gb of ram is crazy expensive, unless you find some for <$125 3000mhz for black friday.

I doubt that'll happen, but I agree. It'll probably be more like $200, but whatever.

[Thermosman]

36 minutes ago, seon123 said:

Use the stock cooler instead of the 212 Evo. Alternatively, change it to a better cooler, like the Cryorig H7/H5 or the Dark Rock 3.

The PSU isn't very good. 

Which country do you live in?

Psu is fine

[DocSwag]

11 minutes ago, Thermosman said:

Psu is fine

I highly disagree. 

 

The NEX is a pretty expensive unit considering that it's group regulated, which results in pretty crappy voltage regulation during crossload tests.

 

As well, voltage ripple isn't that great. While 50 mV on the 12v rail won't be killing hardware anytime soon, for the same price and cheaper you can get units that perform better.

http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=Story4&reid=442

 

As well it does use some Capxon parts. While they aren't horrible, they're definitely not top notch and you can finder better stuff in cheaper PSUs.

 

TL:DR, it's not burning down your house or anything, but you can get better stuff for cheaper so it's not a good choice.

 

Currently looking at PCPP you can find a 650w RMx unit and an 850w focus plus gold unit both for cheaper than the 650 G1. Considering these PSUs perform vastly better, I think it's a no brainer to choose one of those instead.

[Thermosman]

3 minutes ago, DocSwag said:

I highly disagree. 

 

The NEX is a pretty expensive unit considering that it's group regulated, which results in pretty crappy voltage regulation during crossload tests.

 

As well, voltage ripple isn't that great. While 50 mV on the 12v rail won't be killing hardware anytime soon, for the same price and cheaper you can get units that perform better.

http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=Story4&reid=442

 

As well it does use some Capxon parts. While they aren't horrible, they're definitely not top notch and you can finder better stuff in cheaper PSUs.

 

TL:DR, it's not burning down your house or anything, but you can get better stuff for cheaper so it's not a good choice.

 

Currently looking at PCPP you can find a 650w RMx unit and an 850w focus plus gold unit both for cheaper than the 650 G1. Considering these PSUs perform vastly better, I think it's a no brainer to choose one of those instead.

It may be overkill, but it will work fine

[DocSwag]

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 1600 3.2GHz 6-Core Processor  ($189.99 @ Amazon) 
Motherboard: ASRock - AB350 Pro4 ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($73.98 @ Newegg) 
Memory: Team - Elite Plus 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory  ($129.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: SK hynix - SL308 120GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($52.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Storage: Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($41.77 @ OutletPC) 
Video Card: MSI - Radeon RX 580 4GB GAMING X Video Card  ($259.38 @ OutletPC) 
Case: Fractal Design - Focus G (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case  ($44.98 @ Newegg) 
Power Supply: Corsair - CXM (2015) 450W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($33.99 @ Newegg) 
Monitor: AOC - G2460PF 24.0" 1920x1080 144Hz Monitor  ($200.76 @ Amazon) 
Total: $1027.83
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-11-20 09:07 EST-0500

 

Plus windows from kinguin or use it without an activation (you just can't customize some things).

 

You could also get a cheaper lower refresh rate monitor to save some money.

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Dnbkcf/lg-24mp59g-p-238-1920x1080-75hz-monitor-24mp59g-p

5 minutes ago, Thermosman said:

It may be overkill, but it will work fine

Did you read my TL:DR?

 

I literally said:

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TL:DR, it's not burning down your house or anything, but you can get better stuff for cheaper so it's not a good choice.

 

Currently looking at PCPP you can find a 650w RMx unit and an 850w focus plus gold unit both for cheaper than the 650 G1. Considering these PSUs perform vastly better, I think it's a no brainer to choose one of those instead.

Yes it will work fine but why get it when units for cheaper are way better, or units for way cheaper (corsair cx/cxm) are better?

[seon123]

27 minutes ago, Thermosman said:

Psu is fine

Why spend more to get less? Because "muh EVGA only makes good stuff"? It's a crappy unit, especially for the price. I would rather take a 450W Corsair Vengeance or even a CX than that thing. 

With Black Friday coming up, and with good units already being on sale, there's not a single reason to get it. 

[Thermosman]

21 minutes ago, seon123 said:

Why spend more to get less? Because "muh EVGA only makes good stuff"? It's a crappy unit, especially for the price. I would rather take a 450W Corsair Vengeance or even a CX than that thing. 

With Black Friday coming up, and with good units already being on sale, there's not a single reason to get it. 

I agree, but you said "the psu isn't" good, which implies that it would fail or is of bad quality, which it will not

[seon123]

Just now, Thermosman said:

I agree, but you said "the psu isn't" good, which implies that it would fail or is of bad quality, which it will not

There is a whole lot more to the PSU than its components, and whether or not it will fail immediately

[DocSwag]

Just now, Thermosman said:

I agree, but you said "the psu isn't" good, which implies that it would fail or is of bad quality, which it will not

I mean it kind of is...

 

group regulated, not good voltage ripple, not the best quality components, etc.

[hconverse02]

1 hour ago, DocSwag said:

Plus windows from kinguin or use it without an activation (you just can't customize some things).

Please don't recommend the 580, especially the 4gb version, in 2017.  The 1060 6gb outperforms both the 4gb and 8gb versions of the 480/580 and costs less in most cases.

[Herman Mcpootis]

5 minutes ago, hconverse02 said:

Please don't recommend the 580, especially the 4gb version, in 2017.  The 1060 6gb outperforms both the 4gb and 8gb versions of the 480/580 and costs less in most cases.

https://www.techspot.com/amp/review/1393-radeon-rx-580-vs-geforce-gtx-1060/page8.html 

https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Sapphire/RX_580_Nitro_Plus/30.html the 580/480 perform about the same as the 1060 on average, the 580 outperforms it by a couple fps and the 480 loses out by a couple fps too.

[seon123]

8 minutes ago, hconverse02 said:

Please don't recommend the 580, especially the 4gb version, in 2017.  The 1060 6gb outperforms both the 4gb and 8gb versions of the 480/580 and costs less in most cases.

Depends on the game. In DX12 and Vulkan, the RX 580 outperforms the 1060, and in most other cases, it matches. The 4GB and 8GB models perform the same, as opposed to the 1060 3GB Vs 6GB

[Herman Mcpootis]

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 1600 3.2GHz 6-Core Processor  ($189.99 @ Amazon) 
Motherboard: ASRock - AB350M Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($40.98 @ Newegg) 
Memory: Team - Elite Plus 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory  ($129.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: Crucial - MX300 275GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($79.99 @ Amazon) 
Storage: Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($41.77 @ OutletPC) 
Video Card: MSI - Radeon RX 580 4GB GAMING X Video Card  ($259.38 @ OutletPC) 
Case: DIYPC - DIY-F2-W MicroATX Mini Tower Case  ($35.98 @ Newegg) 
Power Supply: Corsair - CX (2017) 550W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply  ($24.99 @ Newegg) 
Monitor: AOC - G2460PF 24.0" 1920x1080 144Hz Monitor  ($200.76 @ Amazon) 
Total: $1003.83
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-11-20 10:51 EST-0500

[ZachL5]

Thank you everyone for the responses.  

[ZachL5]

3 hours ago, seon123 said:

Use the stock cooler instead of the 212 Evo. Alternatively, change it to a better cooler, like the Cryorig H7/H5 or the Dark Rock 3.

The PSU isn't very good. 

Which country do you live in?

US....what PSU do you recommend?  And using the stock cooler should be okay without worries of overheating?

[ZachL5]

3 hours ago, Jurrunio said:

Any direct link to PCPP for this build?

Sorry I don't have that link...what do you recommend?

[seon123]

2 minutes ago, ZachL5 said:

US....what PSU do you recommend?  And using the stock cooler should be okay without worries of overheating?

Assuming you'll use rebates, the Focus Plus Gold 650W is available for $55. The CX550 is available for $25.

Yes, the stock cooler is fine for a ~3,8GHz overclock.  

[ZachL5]

3 hours ago, Princess Cadence said:

Well sure, you can cut a few corners,

 

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/nLx9TW/asus-prime-b350m-a-micro-atx-am4-motherboard-prime-b350m-a

 

Cheaper but still extremely reliable motherboard.

 

If you plan going with a GTX 1060 the Ryzen 5 1400 already is enough processor to see it reach full potential in gaming.

 

Cooler Master - Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler  - This is completely unnecessary as the Ryzen non-X processors already come with excellent stock coolers.

 

The NEX power supplies are overpriced junk, a Corsair TX550M is cheaper and by all means enough for the build (while actually better quality over all).

Thank you for the advice, Princess Cadence.  I'm truly naive about gaming systems.   My son would like to get into it.  I don't mind as long as his studies are done 

 

I thought about doing away with the cooler too.  So dropping down to a Ryzen 5 1400 should save as some for other accessories.  And the power supply I'll tell him to change it oo.

[ZachL5]

3 hours ago, kelvinhall05 said:

Don't buy 16GB of RAM. It's retardedly expensive right now, and he also needs it to be high clocked, meaning he's spending around $300 on RAM alone. Drop it down to 8GB, that'll suffice. As mentioned before, get a cheaper motherboard, drop the cooler or buy a better one, get an SSD, a better PSU, and drop the optical drive.

Thank you for the advice.  I'm putting together a list of your recommendation and hopefully save some for the peripherals he likes.   I needed your advices regarding the RAM since I don't do gaming myself.  My son likes to get into it other than the gaming consoles.