Posted November 14, 2017 Quote Price of silicon wafer, which is one of raw materials for semiconductor, shot up by 20% compared to its price from last year and this is causing amount of supplies to not be able to keep up with increased demands. As SK Siltron (previously LG Siltron), which is the only South Korean wafer manufacturer that was acquired by SK Group from LG Group, is also facing lack of supplies, it is expecting positive performance this year such as making $893 million (1 trillion KRW) in annual sales again this year. SUMCO, which is a Japanese silicon wafer manufacturer, recently announced forecast of its performance for fourth quarter and estimated that price of 300mm wafer will be at least 20% higher than that from fourth quarter of last year. SUMCO is a leading silicon wafer manufacturer that is accounted for two-thirds of global silicon wafer markets along with Shin-Etsu Chemical. Quote “We are also planning to increase price of silicon wafer by 20% in 2018.” said CEO Hashimoto Mayuki of SUMCO. “Price of silicon wafer will continue to rise in 2019.” Quote On the other hand, silicon wafer industries are limiting themselves from making extensions of their facilities as price of silicon wafer can fall once they increase amount of supplies Price of silicon wafer will continue to go up as wafer industries will continue to show lukewarm stance towards extensions.” It's official guys, time to find a new hobby. Enthusiast grade PC will get more and more and more expensive, as the price of silicon wafer increases, this has a snowball effect down the supply chain (shipping insurance rises, margins must widen etc)... expect DRAM, CPUs and GPUs to rise in price even faster. Source: http://english.etnews.com/20171114200001 Current setup Images of setup: http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/183-show-off-your-setup/?p=5872590 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted November 14, 2017 So anything tech related is going to soon be even more expensive than it already is. Well crap Primary Laptop (Gearsy MK4): Ryzen 9 5900HX, Radeon RX 6800M, Radeon Vega 8 Mobile, 24 GB DDR4 2400 Mhz, 512 GB SSD+1TB SSD, 15.6 in 300 Hz IPS display 2021 Asus ROG Strix G15 Advantage Edition Secondary Laptop (Uni MK2): Ryzen 7 5800HS, Nvidia GTX 1650, Radeon Vega 8 Mobile, 16 GB DDR4 3200 Mhz, 512 GB SSD 2021 Asus ROG Zephyrus G14 Meme Machine (Uni MK1): Shintel Core i5 7200U, Nvidia GT 940MX, 24 GB DDR4 2133 Mhz, 256 GB SSD+500GB HDD, 15.6 in TN Display 2016 Acer Aspire E5 575 Retired Laptop (Gearsy MK2): Ryzen 5 2500U, Radeon Vega 8 Mobile, 12 GB 2400 Mhz DDR4, 256 GB NVME SSD, 15.6" 1080p IPS Touchscreen 2017 HP Envy X360 15z (Ryzen) PC (Gearsy): A6 3650, HD 6530D , 8 GB 1600 Mhz Kingston DDR3, Some Random Mobo Lol, EVGA 450W BT PSU, Stock Cooler, 128 GB Kingston SSD, 1 TB WD Blue 7200 RPM HP P7 1234 (Yes It's Actually Called That) RIP Also im happy to answer any Ryzen Mobile questions if anyone is interested! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted November 14, 2017 And here I was thinking that GPU prices were slowing going back to MSRP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted November 14, 2017 Author Just now, silentprototipe said: So anything tech related is going to soon be even more expensive than it already is. Well crap quite a bit more. With such an increase, i expect DRAM in particular to rise by another 30-50% in 2018 over todays prices... CPUs will have a bit less dramatic bump. GPUs, especially big monolithic designs like nvidias Titan, Tesla, Quadro and 1080Ti will definetively increase by another 30-50$ base MSRP if not more Current setup Images of setup: http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/183-show-off-your-setup/?p=5872590 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted November 14, 2017 Author 1 minute ago, Dissitesuxba11s said: And here I was thinking that GPU prices were slowing going back to MSRP. oh, sure they are, but the MSRP are going up. Current setup Images of setup: http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/183-show-off-your-setup/?p=5872590 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted November 14, 2017 Yea but what fraction of the final cost is the raw silicon? If it takes 1$ worth of silicon for a $300 CPU then a 20% increase is only $0.20... not a huge factor. Primary PC- CPU: Intel i7-6800k @ 4.2-4.4Ghz CPU COOLER: Bequiet Dark Rock Pro 4 MOBO: MSI X99A SLI Plus RAM: 32GB Corsair Vengeance LPX quad-channel DDR4-2800 GPU: EVGA GTX 1080 SC2 iCX PSU: Corsair RM1000i CASE: Corsair 750D Obsidian SSDs: 500GB Samsung 960 Evo + 256GB Samsung 850 Pro HDDs: Toshiba 3TB + Seagate 1TB Monitors: Acer Predator XB271HUC 27" 2560x1440 (165Hz G-Sync) + LG 29UM57 29" 2560x1080 OS: Windows 10 Pro Album Other Systems: Spoiler Home HTPC/NAS- CPU: AMD FX-8320 @ 4.4Ghz MOBO: Gigabyte 990FXA-UD3 RAM: 16GB dual-channel DDR3-1600 GPU: Gigabyte GTX 760 OC PSU: Rosewill 750W CASE: Antec Gaming One SSD: 120GB PNY CS1311 HDDs: WD Red 3TB + WD 320GB Monitor: Samsung SyncMaster 2693HM 26" 1920x1200 -or- Steam Link to Vizio M43C1 43" 4K TV OS: Windows 10 Pro Offsite NAS/VM Server- CPU: 2x Xeon E5645 (12-core) Model: Dell PowerEdge T610 RAM: 16GB DDR3-1333 PSUs: 2x 570W SSDs: 8GB Kingston Boot FD + 32GB Sandisk Cache SSD HDDs: WD Red 4TB + Seagate 2TB + Seagate 320GB OS: FreeNAS 11+ Laptop- CPU: Intel i7-3520M Model: Dell Latitude E6530 RAM: 8GB dual-channel DDR3-1600 GPU: Nvidia NVS 5200M SSD: 240GB TeamGroup L5 HDD: WD Black 320GB Monitor: Samsung SyncMaster 2693HM 26" 1920x1200 OS: Windows 10 Pro Having issues with a Corsair AIO? Possible fix here: Spoiler Are you getting weird fan behavior, speed fluctuations, and/or other issues with Link? Are you running AIDA64, HWinfo, CAM, or HWmonitor? (ASUS suite & other monitoring software often have the same issue.) Corsair Link has problems with some monitoring software so you may have to change some settings to get them to work smoothly. -For AIDA64: First make sure you have the newest update installed, then, go to Preferences>Stability and make sure the "Corsair Link sensor support" box is checked and make sure the "Asetek LC sensor support" box is UNchecked. -For HWinfo: manually disable all monitoring of the AIO sensors/components. -For others: Disable any monitoring of Corsair AIO sensors. That should fix the fan issue for some Corsair AIOs (H80i GT/v2, H110i GTX/H115i, H100i GTX and others made by Asetek). The problem is bad coding in Link that fights for AIO control with other programs. You can test if this worked by setting the fan speed in Link to 100%, if it doesn't fluctuate you are set and can change the curve to whatever. If that doesn't work or you're still having other issues then you probably still have a monitoring software interfering with the AIO/Link communications, find what it is and disable it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted November 14, 2017 1 minute ago, Prysin said: quite a bit more. With such an increase, i expect DRAM in particular to rise by another 30-50% in 2018 over todays prices... CPUs will have a bit less dramatic bump. GPUs, especially big monolithic designs like nvidias Titan, Tesla, Quadro and 1080Ti will definetively increase by another 30-50$ base MSRP if not more Well crap then, so much for me getting a new rig Primary Laptop (Gearsy MK4): Ryzen 9 5900HX, Radeon RX 6800M, Radeon Vega 8 Mobile, 24 GB DDR4 2400 Mhz, 512 GB SSD+1TB SSD, 15.6 in 300 Hz IPS display 2021 Asus ROG Strix G15 Advantage Edition Secondary Laptop (Uni MK2): Ryzen 7 5800HS, Nvidia GTX 1650, Radeon Vega 8 Mobile, 16 GB DDR4 3200 Mhz, 512 GB SSD 2021 Asus ROG Zephyrus G14 Meme Machine (Uni MK1): Shintel Core i5 7200U, Nvidia GT 940MX, 24 GB DDR4 2133 Mhz, 256 GB SSD+500GB HDD, 15.6 in TN Display 2016 Acer Aspire E5 575 Retired Laptop (Gearsy MK2): Ryzen 5 2500U, Radeon Vega 8 Mobile, 12 GB 2400 Mhz DDR4, 256 GB NVME SSD, 15.6" 1080p IPS Touchscreen 2017 HP Envy X360 15z (Ryzen) PC (Gearsy): A6 3650, HD 6530D , 8 GB 1600 Mhz Kingston DDR3, Some Random Mobo Lol, EVGA 450W BT PSU, Stock Cooler, 128 GB Kingston SSD, 1 TB WD Blue 7200 RPM HP P7 1234 (Yes It's Actually Called That) RIP Also im happy to answer any Ryzen Mobile questions if anyone is interested! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted November 14, 2017 i guess future proofing will get a whole new meaning. GPU drivers giving you a hard time? Try this! (DDU) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted November 14, 2017 Just now, Prysin said: oh, sure they are, but the MSRP are going up. What I've noticed might just be the holiday prices. I've seen some 1080 TIs on sale around $700 USD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted November 14, 2017 Whoa, not good news! I'm glad I built my 7700k@5Ghz + Ti system a few months back, looks like it's gonna have to last a while! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted November 14, 2017 Woah, 10 replies and nobody blamed miners yet? A friend of mine is looking into upgrading his PC. Guess he shouldn't wait too long then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted November 14, 2017 inb4 start blaming miners One day I will be able to play Monster Hunter Frontier in French/Italian/English on my PC, it's just a matter of time... 4 5 6 7 8 9 years later: It's finally coming!!! Phones: iPhone 4S/SE | LG V10 | Lumia 920 | Samsung S24 Ultra Laptops: Macbook Pro 15" (mid-2012) | Compaq Presario V6000 Other: Steam Deck <>EVs are bad, they kill the planet and remove freedoms too some/<> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted November 14, 2017 Author Just now, Captain Chaos said: Woah, 10 replies and nobody blamed miners yet? A friend of mine is looking into upgrading his PC. Guess he shouldn't wait too long then. OFCOURSE, its all the miners fault. THEY ARE TOO SLOW. if only they had mined more silicon, this wouldnt have happened Current setup Images of setup: http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/183-show-off-your-setup/?p=5872590 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted November 14, 2017 37 minutes ago, Prysin said: OFCOURSE, its all the miners fault. THEY ARE TOO SLOW. if only they had mined more silicon, this wouldnt have happened Everything will be fine once they turn 18. Yes, I know the difference between minor and mine. - ASUS X99 Deluxe - i7 5820k - Nvidia GTX 1080ti SLi - 4x4GB EVGA SSC 2800mhz DDR4 - Samsung SM951 500 - 2x Samsung 850 EVO 512 - - EK Supremacy EVO CPU Block - EK FC 1080 GPU Blocks - EK XRES 100 DDC - EK Coolstream XE 360 - EK Coolstream XE 240 - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted November 14, 2017 Ugh, that just sucks. Literally every component will eventually get price increases. | Ryzen 7 7800X3D | AM5 B650 Aorus Elite AX | G.Skill Trident Z5 Neo RGB DDR5 32GB 6000MHz C30 | Sapphire PULSE Radeon RX 7900 XTX | Samsung 990 PRO 1TB with heatsink | Arctic Liquid Freezer II 360 | Seasonic Focus GX-850 | Lian Li Lanccool III | Mousepad: Skypad 3.0 XL / Zowie GTF-X | Mouse: Zowie S1-C | Keyboard: Ducky One 3 TKL (Cherry MX-Speed-Silver) | Beyerdynamic MMX 300 (2nd Gen) | Acer XV272U | OS: Windows 11 | Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted November 14, 2017 Just now, TidaLWaveZ said: Everything will be fine once they turn 18. In China, the leading producer of silicon, they will probably fire you once you turn 18. Cheaper child labor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted November 14, 2017 Author 3 minutes ago, TidaLWaveZ said: Everything will be fine once they turn 18. Yes, I know the difference between minor and mine. they're fine by 16 here, and soon, france will set a limit of 13... Current setup Images of setup: http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/183-show-off-your-setup/?p=5872590 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted November 14, 2017 What is causing this supply shortage, it's not like we're running out of the raw materials.... seems like BS to me Quote On the other hand, silicon wafer industries are limiting themselves from making extensions of their facilities as price of silicon wafer can fall once they increase amount of supplies Price of silicon wafer will continue to go up as wafer industries will continue to show lukewarm stance towards extensions.” Did they just admit to not wanting to produce more so that they can keep the price higher? MOAR COARS: 5GHz "Confirmed" Black Edition™ The Build AMD 5950X 4.7/4.6GHz All Core Dynamic OC + 1900MHz FCLK | 5GHz+ PBO | ASUS X570 Dark Hero | 32 GB 3800MHz 14-15-15-30-48-1T GDM 8GBx4 | PowerColor AMD Radeon 6900 XT Liquid Devil @ 2700MHz Core + 2130MHz Mem | 2x 480mm Rad | 8x Blacknoise Noiseblocker NB-eLoop B12-PS Black Edition 120mm PWM | Thermaltake Core P5 TG Ti + Additional 3D Printed Rad Mount Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted November 14, 2017 Author 1 minute ago, Swatson said: What is causing this supply shortage, it's not like we're running out of the raw materials.... seems like BS to me investors wanting maximum profit Current setup Images of setup: http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/183-show-off-your-setup/?p=5872590 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted November 14, 2017 6 minutes ago, Swatson said: What is causing this supply shortage, it's not like we're running out of the raw materials.... seems like BS to me Did they just admit to not wanting to produce more so that they can keep the price higher? It would appear that way. It also seems as though they all agreed to the same increase in price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted November 14, 2017 7 minutes ago, Prysin said: investors wanting maximum profit this is why investors need to not be part of a corporate hierarchy. It's always investors screwing over consumers from micro-transaction loot boxes to now price gauging silicon wafer customers and consumers. Judge a product on its own merits AND the company that made it. How to setup MSI Afterburner OSD | How to make your AMD Radeon GPU more efficient with Radeon Chill | (Probably) Why LMG Merch shipping to the EU is expensive Oneplus 6 (Early 2023 to present) | HP Envy 15" x360 R7 5700U (Mid 2021 to present) | Steam Deck (Late 2022 to present) Mid 2023 AlTech Desktop Refresh - AMD R7 5800X (Mid 2023), XFX Radeon RX 6700XT MBA (Mid 2021), MSI X370 Gaming Pro Carbon (Early 2018), 32GB DDR4-3200 (16GB x2) (Mid 2022 Noctua NH-D15 (Early 2021), Corsair MP510 1.92TB NVMe SSD (Mid 2020), beQuiet Pure Wings 2 140mm x2 & 120mm x1 (Mid 2023), Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted November 14, 2017 13 minutes ago, Dylanc1500 said: It would appear that way. It also seems as though they all agreed to the same increase in price. Is price fixing still illegal when it's done by companies in different countries, how does one even try to fight against that.... MOAR COARS: 5GHz "Confirmed" Black Edition™ The Build AMD 5950X 4.7/4.6GHz All Core Dynamic OC + 1900MHz FCLK | 5GHz+ PBO | ASUS X570 Dark Hero | 32 GB 3800MHz 14-15-15-30-48-1T GDM 8GBx4 | PowerColor AMD Radeon 6900 XT Liquid Devil @ 2700MHz Core + 2130MHz Mem | 2x 480mm Rad | 8x Blacknoise Noiseblocker NB-eLoop B12-PS Black Edition 120mm PWM | Thermaltake Core P5 TG Ti + Additional 3D Printed Rad Mount Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted November 14, 2017 12 minutes ago, Swatson said: Is price fixing still illegal when it's done by companies in different countries, how does one even try to fight against that.... I honestly couldn't tell you. I assume they could halt import for not conforming to U.S. Law but I'm not well versed in import laws and sanctions. One of the mods was pretty knowledgable in this area but I don't remember whom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted November 14, 2017 35 minutes ago, Prysin said: . Conspiracy Theorist in Me: You know it might just be coincidence that you (with that profile pic) reported this, but Trump just got back from his Asia trip. Maybe something went down that rocked the material pricing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted November 14, 2017 I thought big semiconductor companies make wafers by themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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