Take Two Interactive commits to putting Microtransactions in EVERY FUTURE GAME in continuation of Games As a Service.

[Princess Luna]

No point in complaining, this only happened because it was the market's demand.

[MyName13]

7 minutes ago, Master Disaster said:

Because of focus testing and the industries obsession with making every game have mass appeal. Like a said above, making a game that is focused on one specific genre and then selling it and making a small profit just isn't good enough any more. If a game doesn't make 3 times its initial investment in profit then its classed as unprofitable and a flop.

 

Every game has to appeal to every person and the result is clones of clones of games (which just happened to do well) that are as dumbed down as possible and have no real genre because classifying a game under a genre might put a certain subset of people off from buying it.

 

Open World 3rd Person Action FPS with RPG Elements is the current obsession.

I agree, but the problem is this decline in quality of the two mentioned games doesn't increase appeal to anyone.AC syndicate has far inferior story, worse soundtrack (in fact there is no ambient music, most tracks are identical), characters are also irrelevant.This isn't the typical "make it so easy that brainless gamers can be the Doom guy".

[Master Disaster]

19 minutes ago, MyName13 said:

I agree, but the problem is this decline in quality of the two mentioned games doesn't increase appeal to anyone.AC syndicate has far inferior story, worse soundtrack (in fact there is no ambient music, most tracks are identical), characters are also irrelevant.This isn't the typical "make it so easy that brainless gamers can be the Doom guy".

Yes, that's very obvious to us as the consumers but remember these publishers are so arrogant they they literally think we don't actually know what we want and instead will simply buy what they tell us we should be buying (and yeah, that is almost a direct quote from some AAA CEO btw)

[Master Disaster]

31 minutes ago, Princess Cadence said:

No point in complaining, this only happened because it was the market's demand.

What a dumb argument.

 

If you put something in enough different products then its possible to sell enough to make it seem like its in demand when it actually isn't.

 

For example lets say the soft drinks industry decided to start charging customer for straws that are required to drink every soft drink you buy and that overnight every soft drinks manufacturer changed the design of cans and bottles so that these straws were required. Enough people would go out and buy those straws that it would look like they were the hot new item when infact they were forced onto consumers who had no other choice.

 

This is how the AAA industry operates, if they all do the exact same thing in all their games at the same time then it forces consumers into buying things they might otherwise not have done and might not necessarily want either. Then they hit the news with "look how well are lootboxes are selling, people obviously want them" and use it as a self perpetuating excuse.

[MyName13]

18 minutes ago, Master Disaster said:

Yes, that's very obvious to us as the consumers but remember these publishers are so arrogant they they literally think we don't actually know what we want and instead will simply buy what they tell us we should be buying (and yeah, that is almost a direct quote from some AAA CEO btw)

This could be true since developers / publishers don't seem to care about feedback.

 

12 minutes ago, Master Disaster said:

What a dumb argument.

 

If you put something in enough different products then its possible to sell enough to make it seem like its in demand when it actually isn't.

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It happens everywhere, as long as something is common, it's normal.The interesting thing about the gaming industry is that there's barely any competition.

[samcool55]

So basically their AAA games will be more like $$$ games. No ty.

I only buy games once i believe the price is fair for what i would get for my money.

 

Also if i can't buy everything in 1 go (full game with all dlc and whatever) i won't even bother. Even if it is split up into 5 pieces that cost 1 buck each or whatever.

[Princess Luna]

36 minutes ago, Master Disaster said:

What a dumb argument.

I'd love discussing it in dept with you but I'm kinda against uncalled offensive... As simplistic as that statement is, it carries its truthiness and logic that something only exists for sale because there's someone interested in purchasing it.

[Red Hardware]

Really ? Really ? OMG 
I can't believe this. Doing this is exactly against R* character. R* is perfectionist and they release a game when it's really done and then , start releasing DLCs similar to GTA V + having an active modding community (SP not the MP), NOT releasing a game that is NOT finished and ask for money to give them the finished one
And the way they wana go is going to ruin their PR. I don't know why are they going to do that? They are already making a ton of money out of GTA Onlive/v and their games sell really good because they haven't done that.
let's hope that they won't ruin RDR2 and GTA VI

 

[samcool55]

54 minutes ago, Red Hardware said:

Really ? Really ? OMG 
I can't believe this. Doing this is exactly against R* character. R* is perfectionist and they release a game when it's really done and then , start releasing DLCs similar to GTA V + having an active modding community (SP not the MP), NOT releasing a game that is NOT finished and ask for money to give them the finished one
And the way they wana go is going to ruin their PR. I don't know why are they going to do that? They are already making a ton of money out of GTA Onlive/v and their games sell really good because they haven't done that.
let's hope that they won't ruin RDR2 and GTA VI

 

Iirc they will ruin GTA VI in the same way they ruined GTA V because they will keep the same business model.

I mean a lot of people (including me) bought GTA V but hate the direction the game went.

 

Like, there's no extra content for single player. The cars from GTA online aren't available in the SP. They even went as far as adding a protection when the new Online cars get spawned in SP they would despawn instantly. (modders got around it but still, wtf).

 

They ban people unfairly. (they banned for example 1 of the accounts from the yogscast during a livestream)

 

Stuff got REALLY expensive and unless you pay it's basically 1 massive grind. To compare it with the real world. In most EU countries it's actually a better idea to go outside, get a job and work for minimum wage and spend all that money in gta V. That's a more efficient way of getting money in gta V...

 

Also, some people spent a lot of time and money in gta V, do they really expect people will just leave it all behind and start from scratch again in gta VI? Some people will of course but i'm sure some are sick of it and won't bother anymore.

 

I really hope GTA V was like the peak of all of it and people won't bother throwing a bunch of money again at gta VI.

 

I have gta V but unless something changes i won't bother buying gta VI...

[Master Disaster]

2 hours ago, Princess Cadence said:

I'd love discussing it in dept with you but I'm kinda against uncalled offensive... As simplistic as that statement is, it carries its truthiness and logic that something only exists for sale because there's someone interested in purchasing it.

I didn't call you dumb, I said you put forward a dumb argument.

 

The big distinction here is they're not really items for sale, they're add one for an existing item that's already been sold. They've already got that captive audience and they're going to milk them dry in much the same way food & drink costs increase at sports events or the cinemas. Sure you don't need popcorn but did you have that complete cinema experience without it?

[TOMPPIX]

ahahahahahahahhaha

 

[Doobeedoo]

Haha pathetic such a joke. Reason I don't buy such games. Game as a service oh wow so sad. 

[Misanthrope]

It all continues to pile up: Publishers double down on DRM, Microtransaction, increasingly worst quality games (arguable but still). How long until they decide "Yeah AAA game releases are no longer sustainable all our games will be subscription based from now on" and the entire gaming industry comes crashing the fuck down?

 

[KuJoe]

4 minutes ago, Misanthrope said:

It all continues to pile up: Publishers double down on DRM, Microtransaction, increasingly worst quality games (arguable but still). How long until they decide "Yeah AAA game releases are no longer sustainable all our games will be subscription based from now on" and the entire gaming industry comes crashing the fuck down?

 

I'm willing to bet in the future it will be Gaming as a Service where everything will be in the cloud. No need for DRM or micro transactions if you're paying a monthly subscription to play your games. Netflix did it with movies, it's only a matter of time before we see a bigger transition to things like GeForce Now.

[johnjohns111]

Thought companies would stop microtransactions and all this sh*t because there are a lot of hate around this, but NO...
Looks like mobile gaming is coming to PC

[KuJoe]

9 minutes ago, johnjohns111 said:

Thought companies would stop microtransactions and all this sh*t because there are a lot of hate around this, but NO...
Looks like mobile gaming is coming to PC

No amount of hate, anger, or backlash would ever stop any company from printing free money. Ever.

[johnjohns111]

7 minutes ago, KuJoe said:

No amount of hate, anger, or backlash would ever stop any company from printing free money. Ever.

That is true. I'm too naive

[Dash Lambda]

I can actually deal with microtransactions, if they're used in moderation.

Problem is, half the time they're used, they're shoved down your throat.

 

Though really I think they're completely unjustified unless it's a free-to-play game. Either the microtransactions are the only money stream or the company is a bunch of greedy assholes.

[Okjoek]

I strictly avoid games that are Pay-to-win. That's why I really like Planetside 2.

 

[Misanthrope]

46 minutes ago, KuJoe said:

I'm willing to bet in the future it will be Gaming as a Service where everything will be in the cloud. No need for DRM or micro transactions if you're paying a monthly subscription to play your games. Netflix did it with movies, it's only a matter of time before we see a bigger transition to things like GeForce Now.

Netflix succeeded cause it was willing to jump in early and snatch collections of reasonable sizes. PC is already too fragmented with too many stores as it is: Origin, Uplay, Steam, Gog, Battle.net (or whatever it's called now) Windows store and now even Bethesda are pushing their own store fronts.

 

Once they go subscription based it's gonna be extremely difficult to compel users to pay for 1 or 2 of these services, let alone 7 or 8 of them.

[Tieox]

So apt:

(lyrics sum the Gaming Industry seeing nothing wrong etc etc least in my head)

[Biggerisbetter]

I dont think I have played any games from taketwo or rockstar in my 20 years of gaming. I always wanted to play red redemption but since its only on console. I wont play it. Each year the Triple A gaming companies has alienated me more and more. I have not owned a console since the gamcube and I dont feel like i'm missing anything. Gaming companies ignore gamers like myself, who have more disposal income. I'm always willing to buy more gamers in a calendar year. However the shyte they produce today only reaffirms why I shouldnt give them my money.  If a game has microtranastions I dont buy it. If a game has DLC wait a year or two and buy the games with all its content for less than half of the retail cost. 

 

 

[suicidalfranco]

9 hours ago, MyName13 said:

Isn't this a myth?Costs might have increased, but so did the audience.

it's myth, just fanboys blindly eating every crap their Gods trows at them

 

[Master Disaster]

Thank fucking god for Jim Fucking Sterling son

 

 

[jaggysnake57]

every time the industry starts to move in the right direction if takes 2 steps back........and they wonder why people pirate