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Ryzen or i3 - Ugrade for less than 300€

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Get an r5 1400 and 8GB. If it's true what AMD promised you can upgrade the cpu in a few years and keeping the motherboard and ram.

The Z370 board would be just stupid to get because there's basically no upgrade path so you won't be able to upgrade to a new cpu in a few years unless you also get a new motherboard, again...

So I have to upgrade a friend's PC for World of Warcraft.

For that I need Motherboard CPU and RAM.

My budget is 275 for these three parts.

WoW is a single core hungry game so, sad to say, Intel actually has an advantage but I will strongly consider Ryzen.

 

So what I concluded so far:

AMD Ryzen 5 1400 + B350 + 16 Gb RAM = 378,6€ - too much. :( 

Intel i3-8100 + Z370 + 8 Gb RAM = 300,6€ still too much but would definetly be worth the additional money.

AMD Ryzen 3 1200 + B350 + 16 Gb RAM = 325€ too muchg and slower than the i3. No.

 

Now, the main question I have, could I use an 8Gb kit for Ryzen as well? For intel I know it works and is sufficent for gaming, but Ryzen always comes with at least 16 Gb.

https://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/8GB-Crucial-Ballistix-Sport-LT-grau-DDR4-2400-DIMM-CL16-Dual-Kit_1012861.html

This is the Kit I used with the Intel Calculation. If that would work for Ryzen it would be -70€ and the R5 1400 would be my prefered pick.

If not, then Ryzen is almost always outmatched by the Intel for pure gaming purpose. Which would be sad.

 

Any input is appreciated :)

Also, only new parts. no used.

 

Edit: I also checked the G4560 but that thing is not available anywhere.

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You can use 8gb ram on Ryzen. Even fast memory is just 'preferred', not a must

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3 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

You can use 8gb ram on Ryzen. Even fast memory is just 'preferred', not a must

16GB isn't a bad thing. If OP's friend can afford 16GB RAM with Ryzen then that's fine. If not then 8GB can be used for now with another 8GB added in down the line.

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Get an r5 1400 and 8GB. If it's true what AMD promised you can upgrade the cpu in a few years and keeping the motherboard and ram.

The Z370 board would be just stupid to get because there's basically no upgrade path so you won't be able to upgrade to a new cpu in a few years unless you also get a new motherboard, again...

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Just now, samcool55 said:

Get an r5 1400 and 8GB. If it's true what AMD promised you can upgrade the cpu in a few years and keeping the motherboard and ram.

The Z370 board would be just stupid to get because there's basically no upgrade path so you won't be able to upgrade to a new cpu in a few years unless you also get a new motherboard, again...

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Eh, that argument is for 200 series chipset, not Z370.

CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.47V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: 1TB HP EX920 PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172), 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

Cinebench R15 Single thread:168 Multi-thread: 833 

SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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10 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

You can use 8gb ram on Ryzen. Even fast memory is just 'preferred', not a must

 

5 minutes ago, AluminiumTech said:

16GB isn't a bad thing. If OP's friend can afford 16GB RAM with Ryzen then that's fine. If not then 8GB can be used for now with another 8GB added in down the line.

Very good. 
I'd love to go straight for 16 Gb but I'm afraid the budget just won't do then.

I could, however, use one 8Gb stick and upgrade later.

However, even the R5 1400 is kinda streching it but the upgrade in performance is worth the extra compared to the Ryzen 3, right?

4 minutes ago, samcool55 said:

Get an r5 1400 and 8GB. If it's true what AMD promised you can upgrade the cpu in a few years and keeping the motherboard and ram.

The Z370 board would be just stupid to get because there's basically no upgrade path so you won't be able to upgrade to a new cpu in a few years unless you also get a new motherboard, again...

Which is also why I would prefer ryzen. I assume Intel will change socket again and AMD at least said they will stick with AM4 for a while.

Intel made me very careful with their socket behavior. ;)

Edit: Keep in mind that even with the Z370 the intel combo is cheaper. And single core performance, the i3 beats the Ryzen.

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Just now, staubgame said:

 

Very good. 
I'd love to go straight for 16 Gb but I'm afraid the budget just won't do then.

I could, however, use one 8Gb stick and upgrade later.

However, even the R5 1400 is kinda streching it but the upgrade in performance is worth the extra compared to the Ryzen 3, right?

yeah but it's not the best value in the AMD Ryzen imho.

 

The sweet spot is the 1600 imho but that's out of your friend's budget.

 

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3 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

Eh, that argument is for 200 series chipset, not Z370.

Looking at Intel's past it's very likely only 2 cpu generations will be supported on Z370 and they will change the chipset after that.

At least we know what AMD promised and we will be able to see in the future if they lied or not.

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1 minute ago, AluminiumTech said:

yeah but it's not the best value in the AMD Ryzen imho.

 

The sweet spot is the 1600 imho but that's out of your friend's budget.

 

I've been checking some benchmarks, the Ryzen 3 1300X is actually almost en par with the i3 in single core and faster than the ryzen 5 (single core) while being 30€ cheaper.

So since this is pure gaming, would the change make sense? Price Performance seems a bit better due to that.

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Just now, staubgame said:

I've been checking some benchmarks, the Ryzen 3 1300X is actually almost en par with the i3 in single core and faster than the ryzen 5 (single core) while being 30€ cheaper.

So since this is pure gaming, would the change make sense? Price Performance seems a bit better due to that.

the 1400 is fine.

 

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2 minutes ago, AluminiumTech said:

the 1400 is fine.

 

AMD Ryzen 5 1400 + B350 + 8Gb RAM = 300ish€

Intel i3-8100 + Z370 + 8 Gb RAM = 300,6€ still too much but would definetly be worth the additional money.

AMD Ryzen 3 1300 + B350 + 8 Gb RAM = 273€ now this makes for a good price!

 

Just updated my price list. 

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1 minute ago, staubgame said:

AMD Ryzen 5 1400 + B350 + 8Gb RAM = 300ish€

Intel i3-8100 + Z370 + 8 Gb RAM = 300,6€ still too much but would definetly be worth the additional money.

AMD Ryzen 3 1300 + B350 + 8 Gb RAM = 250€ now this makes for a good price!

 

Just updated my price list. 

At this point in time though, I wouldn't recommend buying a 4 core 4 thread CPU. The difference in price isn't that much but the 1400 is definitely a lot better choice here.

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Just now, AluminiumTech said:

At this point in time though, I wouldn't recommend buying a 4 core 4 thread CPU. The difference in price isn't that much but the 1400 is definitely a lot better choice here.

I did an actuall calculation on the price, the difference is only 28€.

So I'll work with the R5 1400 and a better upgradepath in the future than the uncertainty of intel.

Now just to find some cheap RAM and a good motherboard. :D

 

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4 minutes ago, staubgame said:

I did an actuall calculation on the price, the difference is only 28€.

So I'll work with the R5 1400 and a better upgradepath in the future than the uncertainty of intel.

Now just to find some cheap RAM and a good motherboard. :D

 

When you're done with this thread, remember to mark as solved.

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Just now, AluminiumTech said:

When you're done with this thread, remember to mark as solved.

I marked a post as solved, was that the right way to do it?

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Just now, staubgame said:

I marked a post as solved, was that the right way to do it?

yeah. it's cool.

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