Looking to build a new gaming PC

[MekaStrix]

Hi,

 

I'm looking to build a new gaming PC but not sure on what CPU to go with I am looking at going with a 1080TI for GPU and for CPU i'm looking at either an 8700k or a Ryzen 1700 (I don't see the point in the other 8 core Ryzens when I can overclock the 1700 to pretty much the same performance)

 

Thanks

[SecretX]

1 minute ago, MekaStrix said:

Ryzen 1700 (I don't see the point in the other 8 core Ryzens when I can overclock the 1700 to pretty much the same performance)

I think that way too. By the way, what is your budget? What country do you live in?

[MekaStrix]

Just now, SecretX said:

I think that way too. By the way, what is your budget? What country do you live in?

The UK and budget is pretty big around £1800  I already have a 2tb SSD and 500gb SSD from my old PC and I already have a case and power supply so my budget is pretty much just for cpu motherboard and ram and GPU

[Majsterek]

Wait now everything is overpriced becoushe of bitcoin (Mining cryptocurency ) , there is no point rigt now . Wait untill end of X mas 

[just_dave]

Just now, Majsterek said:

Wait no everything is overpriced becoushe of bitcoin

ehm what? i know mostly about ethereum

[SecretX]

I would go with I7 8700 (either K or non-K), a GTX 1080 or 1080ti, depending of what resolution you are playing at, motherboard you can't go wrong if you pick up something that costs more than $150, I personally would go with the MSI Z370 SLI Plus, for me it's the balance between features and price. And with RAM you can't go wrong also just pick any stick from a know brand and 3200MHz and you'll extract every single frame from this monster (16GB for both 1080p and 1440p, 32GB for 4k).

[Majsterek]

Just now, dave_k said:

ehm what? i know mostly about ethereum

It dose not matte what it is . I ment Criptocurency mining etc and sumurized it all in one word (Bitcoin) This is not the poin . Maybe it is Etherum or Dodge Coin whatever it is the prces are now extreamly stupid and it is worth waiting 

[MekaStrix]

2 minutes ago, Majsterek said:

Wait no everything is overpriced becoushe of bitcoin , there is no point rigt now . Wait untill end of X mas 

eh I guess but putting pricing aside what would be the better option out of what I mentioned does Ryzen still get left behind in gaming? I game on a high refresh monitor and my current PC FX 8320 and GTX 770 is no longer up to the job (it is my backup PC I sold my old gaming PC that had an older  i7 to raise money for a newer one)

[dizmo]

High refresh rate monitor? 8700k. Or the 8600k.

[Majsterek]

This is all of topick The person who creted this thread is not interested in your personal experiance with computers, Keep to the topic 

[johndms]

2 minutes ago, MekaStrix said:

eh I guess but putting pricing aside what would be the better option out of what I mentioned does Ryzen still get left behind in gaming? I game on a high refresh monitor and my current PC FX 8320 and GTX 770 is no longer up to the job (it is my backup PC I sold my old gaming PC that had an older  i7 to raise money for a newer one)

Intel for strictly gaming. Ryzen for gaming + steaming, recording, video encoding, rendering, etc.

[MekaStrix]

Just now, dizmo said:

High refresh rate monitor? 8700k. Or the 8600k.

Yeah 2560x1440p at 144hz I've only been gaming on my backup pc for 2 weeks and it's a painful experience over the old i7 machine I had so trying to plan my new system asap even if I wait a few weeks to buy the stuff

 

[SecretX]

1 minute ago, MekaStrix said:

Yeah 2560x1440p at 144hz I've only been gaming on my backup pc for 2 weeks and it's a painful experience over the old i7 machine I had so trying to plan my new system asap even if I wait a few weeks to buy the stuff

 

Check my post and tell me what do you think.

[Majsterek]

4 minutes ago, johndms said:

Intel for strictly gaming. Ryzen for gaming + steaming, recording, video encoding, rendering, etc.

If you seen any of linus vids you would know that u dont shop by the brand . You cannot say that AMD is for gaming and Navidia is for rendering . THIS IS JUST WRONG . YOUS Benchammrks to tell you what cpu or gpu is best for your desires not branding . 

[johndms]

Just now, Majsterek said:

If you seen any of linus vids you would know that u dont shop by the brand . You cannot say that AMD is for gaming and Navidia is for rendering . THIS IS JUST WRONG . YOUS Benchammrks to tell you what cpu or gpu is best for your desires not branding . 

wtf are you talking about? The two choices he gave were "8700k or a Ryzen 1700". Of those two choices, the Intel is the better choice for a purely gaming setup. If he's planning to stream, or other background tasks, then the AMD choice will be best. Sounds like you need a Snickers.

[pyrojoe34]

For a gaming focused rig your best bet is an 8700k, for the best price to performance I would go with 8600k. Unless you do a lot of productivity workloads (e.g. rendering) then you'll be better off with 8700k/8600k. Even for streaming the 8700k will best or at least match the 1700. Considering the 1700 is $100 less than the 8700k it's hard to say which is the correct choice unless we know your budget considerations. Overall the 8700k is empirically better but whether the price is worth it is somewhat subjective.

[Majsterek]

1 minute ago, johndms said:

wtf are you talking about? The two choices he gave were "8700k or a Ryzen 1700". Of those two choices, the Intel is the better choice for a purely gaming setup. If he's planning to stream, or other background tasks, then the AMD choice will be best. Sounds like you need a Snickers.

what i said was correct it was just out of contects as i did not read the quote obove that they are talking abaut specific models . Sounds like you get influence by adverts to much. 

 

Personally i would go with the AMD as they heave cheaper mobo and futhure better upgradability, 

 

For GPU you get better bunck for the buck by geting two 1080 . sure it is more expensive but the preformence per $ is better. 

 

Apologes for not reading that quote 

 

[pyrojoe34]

12 minutes ago, johndms said:

wtf are you talking about? The two choices he gave were "8700k or a Ryzen 1700". Of those two choices, the Intel is the better choice for a purely gaming setup. If he's planning to stream, or other background tasks, then the AMD choice will be best. Sounds like you need a Snickers.

Even for streaming the 8700k is generally better than the 1700 (In some cases, but not most, the 1700 will drop less frames than the 8700k while streaming, but usually it is worse off and gives less consistent and lower framerates). The only real advantage to the 1700 is price, power draw (only at stock), and heavily multi-threaded non-gaming workloads.

[johndms]

Just now, pyrojoe34 said:

Even for streaming the 8700k is better than the 1700, the only realy advantage to the 1700 is price and heavily multi-threaded non-gaming workloads.

You're probably right, I keep forgetting Coffee Lake increased the core count. When I see i7, my mind still thinks 4core 8thread. Regardless, I have been leaning further and further away from Ryzen builds in general. Often it seems Intel is just easier overall with Ryzen requiring too much troubleshooting to work properly. Too many bios updates, too many power cycles and unexplained overclocking failures after a simple reboot. Ryzen is less likely to work out-of-the-box than Intel.. at least from my experiences.

[pyrojoe34]

3 minutes ago, johndms said:

You're probably right, I keep forgetting Coffee Lake increased the core count. When I see i7, my mind still thinks 4core 8thread. Regardless, I have been leaning further and further away from Ryzen builds in general. Often it seems Intel is just easier overall with Ryzen requiring too much troubleshooting to work properly. Too many bios updates, too many power cycles and unexplained overclocking failures after a simple reboot. Ryzen is less likely to work out-of-the-box than Intel.. at least from my experiences.

Yea, they took back the advantage when they upgraded the consumer CPUs to 6 cores. If only their price was more competitive with AMD there would be no contest, but at this point AMD just wins when it comes to price to performance... An R5-1600x for half the cost of the 8700k for only slightly lower performance is a worthy trade-off IMO. If the 8700k was $80-100 less then it would be a clear winner.

[MekaStrix]

7 minutes ago, pyrojoe34 said:

Yea, they took back the advantage when they upgraded the consumer CPUs to 6 cores. If only their price was more competitive with AMD there would be no contest, but at this point AMD just wins when it comes to price to performance... An R5-1600x for half the cost of the 8700k for only slightly lower performance is a worthy trade-off IMO. If the 8700k was $80-100 less then it would be a clear winner.

I was really considering AMD but a lot of the video's I've watched it's 20fps or more behind in game, i'm not sure if that has improved since release which is why i'm uncertain with what to go for I know I want a minimum of 6 cores and even considered the 6800k, Skylake-X is the biggest joke I've ever seen so won't even consider it apparently the chips on that platform runs stupidly hot so it pretty much left me with 8700k, 1600x, 1700 or 6800k and out of those the 8700k or 1700 made the most sense if I plan to use a 1080/1080ti

 

[DarkSmith2]

3 minutes ago, MekaStrix said:

I was really considering AMD but a lot of the video's I've watched it's 20fps or more behind in game, i'm not sure if that has improved since release which is why i'm uncertain with what to go for I know I want a minimum of 6 cores and even considered the 6800k, Skylake-X is the biggest joke I've ever seen so won't even consider it apparently the chips on that platform runs stupidly hot so it pretty much left me with 8700k, 1600x, 1700 or 6800k and out of those the 8700k or 1700 made the most sense if I plan to use a 1080/1080ti

8600k = high refreshrate gaming

8700k = high refreshrate gaming + streaming/working 

1600(x) = 60fps gaming or working

1700(x) = 60fps gaming + streaming/working  

[pyrojoe34]

2 minutes ago, MekaStrix said:

I was really considering AMD but a lot of the video's I've watched it's 20fps or more behind in game, i'm not sure if that has improved since release which is why i'm uncertain with what to go for I know I want a minimum of 6 cores and even considered the 6800k, Skylake-X is the biggest joke I've ever seen so won't even consider it apparently the chips on that platform runs stupidly hot so it pretty much left me with 8700k, 1600x, 1700 or 6800k and out of those the 8700k or 1700 made the most sense if I plan to use a 1080/1080ti

 

Are you playing at high framerates (like a 144hz monitor)? In that case the 8700k is going to give you quite a bit more frames. At lower framerates (like a 60-75hz monitor) the difference is relatively small (as long as you use high speed RAM on Ryzen) in which case it depends on whether the extra cost is worth it to you.

[MekaStrix]

Just now, pyrojoe34 said:

Are you playing at high framerates (like a 144hz monitor)? In that case the 8700k is going to give you quite a bit more frames. At lower framerates (like a 60-75hz monitor) the difference is relatively small (as long as you use high speed RAM on Ryzen) in which case it depends on whether the extra cost is worth it to you.

yeah 144hz at 1440p

[DarkSmith2]

1 minute ago, MekaStrix said:

yeah 144hz at 1440p

get the Intel.