So loved the manta case. Any recommendation?

[DiAn.Gwapo]

Hi guys,

 

I really want to build on NZXT's Manta Case white. Here's my target build:

 

CPU	AMD - Ryzen 5 1500X 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor	$183.99		FREE		$183.99	($14.61 more than OutletPC)	Buy
CPU Cooler	be quiet! - Pure Rock Slim 35.1 CFM CPU Cooler	$24.90		FREE		$24.90	($2.91 more than SuperBiiz)	Buy
Motherboard	Gigabyte - GA-AB350N-Gaming WIFI (rev. 1.0) Mini ITX AM4 Motherboard
Memory	Crucial - Ballistix Sport 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory	$76.24		FREE		$76.24		Buy
	Crucial - Ballistix Sport 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory	$76.24		FREE		$76.24		Buy
Storage	Samsung - 120GB 2.5" Solid State Drive	$99.95		FREE		$99.95		Buy
	Seagate - Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive	$73.98		FREE		$73.98	($13.99 more than Amazon)	Buy
Video Card	Asus - GeForce GTX 1060 6GB 6GB Dual Video Card	$290.84		FREE		$290.84	($10.85 more than SuperBiiz)	Buy
Case	NZXT - Manta (White/Black) Mini ITX Desktop Case	$135.78		FREE		$135.78	($25.79 more than SuperBiiz)	Buy
Power Supply	SeaSonic - EVO Edition 620W 80+ Bronze Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply	$92.18		FREE		$92.18	($46.20 more than Newegg)	Buy
Case Fan	Corsair - Air Series White 2 pack 52.2 CFM 120mm Fan	$25.39		FREE		$25.39	($6.90 more than OutletPC)	Buy
Total (10 / 11 Items):     Will this build suffice? I'm just planning to play it at some LAN party. Dota 2, overwatch, CSGO, PUBG and the like. If possible, can this build play some AAA games? Thanks!						$1079.49

[dizmo]

• Don't get that motherboard. It has poor VRMs.
• That SSD is grossly overpriced.
• If you're getting a memory, buy it as a kit (8GBx2).
• Get faster RAM.

Other than that, yeah it'll do nicely.

Welcome to the forum

[Zyndo]

12 minutes ago, DiAn.Gwapo said:

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Yes this build would work just fine. your PSU is quite overpriced for what you're getting, and your SSD is as well. in fact much of what you're buying here is overpriced and not that good. But yes, it would definitely work for what you're asking of it.

 

I would recommend getting the R5 1600, dropping the CPU cooler, and switching over the the stock cooler on the R5 (gives you better hardware for less money). your memory is slow, and could benefit from something faster. for ~$150 bucks you should be able to get a 2x8GB 3000 or 3200MHz kit quite easily. $100 bucks for a 120GB SSD is overpriced, you should easily be buying a 240-250GB in that range, or maybe even a similarly sized NVMe drive if that's more your thing. Your GPU is fine, but for a few bucks more you could likely spot a 1070 if you want. as mentioned earlier your PSU is heavily overpriced, you could save 40-50 bucks on something equivalently good, or even a TX550M/TX650M which would be much better and still cheaper.

[DiAn.Gwapo]

3 minutes ago, dizmo said:

• Don't get that motherboard. It has poor VRMs.
• That SSD is grossly overpriced.
• If you're getting a memory, buy it as a kit (8GBx2).
• Get faster RAM.

Other than that, yeah it'll do nicely.

Welcome to the forum

Thanks, pal!
Anyways, can you recommend a better mITX and a good ram kit?

[Streetguru]

46 minutes ago, DiAn.Gwapo said:

 

Fixed the build basically, should go for the R5 1600, and an RX 580 is likely the better buy, especially factoring in free-sync savings

The manta is kind of just a meme case though man, would suggest if you're going ITX you get a proper ITX case like a Core 500 which is actually compact, but whatever
 

PCPartPicker part list: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/3Qk9bj
Price breakdown by merchant: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/3Qk9bj/by_merchant/

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 1600 3.2GHz 6-Core Processor  ($193.88 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: Gigabyte - GA-AB350N-Gaming WIFI (rev. 1.0) Mini ITX AM4 Motherboard  ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory  ($154.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital - Green 240GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive  ($83.11 @ Newegg Marketplace)
Storage: Seagate - Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($59.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: PowerColor - Radeon RX 580 8GB Red Devil Video Card  ($288.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: NZXT - Manta (Black/Red) Mini ITX Desktop Case  ($99.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: EVGA - BQ 650W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($58.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Total: $1039.93
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-10-31 22:28 EDT-0400

 

33 minutes ago, dizmo said:

Don't get that motherboard. It has poor VRMs.

Isn't it 4+X? Is the quality terrible? Can't be much worse than the "6" + 3  ASrock board in the same price bracket

I don't think you really have any options for AM4 ITX, did the ASUS ITX board actually come out yet? How's it's VRM?

[DiAn.Gwapo]

1 minute ago, Streetguru said:

 

Yow. Thanks for the suggestion. Though I prefer the 1060 for it is white lol. 

 

@Zyndo Thank you for providing this info as well.

[Streetguru]

1 minute ago, DiAn.Gwapo said:

 

What's your current monitor set up?

[dizmo]

27 minutes ago, Streetguru said:

Isn't it 4+X? Is the quality terrible? Can't be much worse than the "6" + 3  ASrock board in the same price bracket

It was bad enough that the reviews I've read all suggest using very specific cooling (air, downward facing fan to help the VRM temps) and to avoid heavy OC and any kind of liquid cooler all together.

 

It's nice to see AMD finally getting some ITX boards, it just sucks that their cooler solutions take up so much board space. Maybe we'll see more design effort put in next year with an excellent sales figures of AMD chips.

 

29 minutes ago, DiAn.Gwapo said:

Thanks, pal!
Anyways, can you recommend a better mITX and a good ram kit?

RAM -> I'd aim for 3000mhz/3200mhz. I think Ryzen is picky (or at least it was) so you'll have to do a little research to see what kits work best with it. Or someone here might be able to suggest something.

 

For mobo, I think the AsRock ones are supposed to be pretty decent?

[Streetguru]

1 minute ago, dizmo said:

It was bad enough that the reviews I've read all suggest using very specific cooling (air, downward facing fan to help the VRM temps) and to avoid heavy OC and any kind of liquid cooler all together.

most of the motherboards on the market need direct VRM cooling though, the ASrock board would also need it most likely

There was like a single AM3 ITX board, none for AM3+

[dizmo]

Just now, Streetguru said:

most of the motherboards on the market need direct VRM cooling though

For AMD, or in general? I've looked at ITX boards for a long time and this is the first time I've seen something like this so strongly suggested.

[DiAn.Gwapo]

2 minutes ago, Streetguru said:

What's your current monitor set up?

I'm have here a dell P2417H 24inch 1920 x 1080 at 60Hz

[SquintyG33Rs]

28 minutes ago, DiAn.Gwapo said:

Hi guys,

 

I really want to build on NZXT's Manta Case white. Here's my target build:

 

CPU	AMD - Ryzen 5 1500X 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor	$183.99		FREE		$183.99	($14.61 more than OutletPC)	Buy
CPU Cooler	be quiet! - Pure Rock Slim 35.1 CFM CPU Cooler	$24.90		FREE		$24.90	($2.91 more than SuperBiiz)	Buy
Motherboard	Gigabyte - GA-AB350N-Gaming WIFI (rev. 1.0) Mini ITX AM4 Motherboard
Memory	Crucial - Ballistix Sport 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory	$76.24		FREE		$76.24		Buy
	Crucial - Ballistix Sport 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory	$76.24		FREE		$76.24		Buy
Storage	Samsung - 120GB 2.5" Solid State Drive	$99.95		FREE		$99.95		Buy
	Seagate - Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive	$73.98		FREE		$73.98	($13.99 more than Amazon)	Buy
Video Card	Asus - GeForce GTX 1060 6GB 6GB Dual Video Card	$290.84		FREE		$290.84	($10.85 more than SuperBiiz)	Buy
Case	NZXT - Manta (White/Black) Mini ITX Desktop Case	$135.78		FREE		$135.78	($25.79 more than SuperBiiz)	Buy
Power Supply	SeaSonic - EVO Edition 620W 80+ Bronze Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply	$92.18		FREE		$92.18	($46.20 more than Newegg)	Buy
Case Fan	Corsair - Air Series White 2 pack 52.2 CFM 120mm Fan	$25.39		FREE		$25.39	($6.90 more than OutletPC)	Buy
Total (10 / 11 Items):     Will this build suffice? I'm just planning to play it at some LAN party. Dota 2, overwatch, CSGO, PUBG and the like. If possible, can this build play some AAA games? Thanks!						$1079.49

you don't even need 500W PSU and you need faster ram man...

[Streetguru]

19 minutes ago, dizmo said:

For AMD, or in general? I've looked at ITX boards for a long time and this is the first time I've seen something like this so strongly suggested.

Like literally all of them, it's starting to become a more well known issue, motherboard makers need to get on with fixing it, 100C on this Z370 board

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjbzTHcaHO0&t=606s

18 minutes ago, DiAn.Gwapo said:

I'm have here a dell P2417H 24inch 1920 x 1080 at 60Hz

And do you plan to upgrade that to 1080p 144hz at some point?

[DiAn.Gwapo]

Just now, Streetguru said:

And do you plan to upgrade that to 1080p 144hz at some point?

Yes, but until that time comes, I'll just stick to this in the meantime. No cash for monitor upgrade tho. I think I would still use this monitor until August next year or so?

[Streetguru]

11 minutes ago, DiAn.Gwapo said:

Yes, but until that time comes, I'll just stick to this in the meantime. No cash for monitor upgrade tho. I think I would still use this monitor until August next year or so?

So then you should stick to an RX 580 because the difference in price for free-sync and G-sync is pretty large, +$150 for G-sync if you get an nvidia card and want adaptive sync
 

PCPartPicker part list: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/63qR23
Price breakdown by merchant: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/63qR23/by_merchant/

Monitor: AOC - G2460PG 24.0" 1920x1080 144Hz Monitor  ($349.99 @ Best Buy)
Monitor: AOC - G2460PF 24.0" 1920x1080 144Hz Monitor  ($194.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $544.98
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-10-31 22:43 EDT-0400

There's also a $250 1080p 144hz VA free-sync display that has an overall better panel type for not much more money

and if you really care about aesthetics you can always just paint the GPU shroud and do whatever you want with it, but is the white color on the 1060 worth paying more for a monitor later to get the same feature?
 

 

[DiAn.Gwapo]

3 minutes ago, Streetguru said:

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Now that I think about it, it looks like that the rx is the much better option for adaptive sync and more vram than the 1060 6gb variant. Will still try to check as to which is better w/o torturing my pockets. BTW, I'm from the Philippines. No worries about the suggested products though, we all have those here in our country.

 

P.S. I also do like to do some basic mods of the system, and I thought that painting the GPU shroud is a no no. lol

[Streetguru]

Just now, DiAn.Gwapo said:

 

Plastidip works pretty well for painting PC components

[kagarium]

5 minutes ago, Streetguru said:

Plastidip works pretty well for painting PC components

 

 

[Zyndo]

1 hour ago, DiAn.Gwapo said:

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Just a couple bucks more than your original build and a whole lot better: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/fkhkVY

 

and just ignore everyone here saying you need to have better VRM's or whatnot.... Ryzen just doesn't draw enough power to need to worry about such a thing. Also swapped your white LED fans to 140mm SP fans since I assume you're looking to put them in exhaust top of your case. 140mm gonna be better than 120mm and the SP optimized blades should help a bit on that tight area. You can get your 120's if you think it'll look better or whatever though.

[Streetguru]

1 minute ago, Zyndo said:

Ryzen just doesn't draw enough power to need to worry about such a thing.

Hell ya it does, even with a light OC to 1.35V which you're probably going to do the poor VRMs on the ITX boards will likely hit 90C depending on your case airflow, they need a fan over them for sure.

[Zyndo]

4 minutes ago, Streetguru said:

Hell ya it does, even with a light OC to 1.35V which you're probably going to do the poor VRMs on the ITX boards will likely hit 90C depending on your case airflow, they need a fan over them for sure.

buddy gonna have 5 fans going on in that case, not to mention his stock cooler throwing air all over the place (if he decides to use it) on and around his motherboard.... you guys either don't know what you're talking about, or you're like one of those snobs who insists every system must have a tier 1 PSU or you're gonna set your house on fire....

 

even without 5-6 fans going in his tiny case, Ryzen is so light on power its really not an issue unless you're into extreme overclocking. Basic voltage/frequency bumps (even out to 3.9-4GHz) will be well within the limits of this board.

[Streetguru]

6 minutes ago, Zyndo said:

 

I have the ASrock "6" + 3 VRM, 90 C at 1.4-1.425V during firestrike, 100C during Prime 95, having them run cooler is going to give you a longer lasting system and better OCs, throwing a fan I was able to hit 3950mhz at 1.425V for benchmarking

The actual components are likely hotter than the top of the heatsink as well.
 

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[Zyndo]

3 minutes ago, Streetguru said:

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You look like you have 0 active cooling across your motherboard. If that's the situation then we're already talking about a pretty much worst case scenario... what case is that? It doesn't require a ton of airflow to bring VRM temps down a LOT when all it has no amount of cooling available to it.

 

There is also more to VRM heat/functionality than merely the number of power phases. I'm not hardcore into knowing about this stuff like some guys, but I know there's a lot more to it than that.

[Streetguru]

16 minutes ago, Zyndo said:

You look like you have 0 active cooling across your motherboard. If that's the situation then we're already talking about a pretty much worst case scenario... what case is that? It doesn't require a ton of airflow to bring VRM temps down a LOT when all it has no amount of cooling available to it.

 

There is also more to VRM heat/functionality than merely the number of power phases. I'm not hardcore into knowing about this stuff like some guys, but I know there's a lot more to it than that.

It's a HAF XB with 2 120mm intake fans blowing directly across the motherboard

Phase count isn't the best thing yes, but it's a good start in most cases, and all the ITX boards are lacking, along with many others on 1151 and AM4

The asus board doesn't look any better, likely 4+4

[Zyndo]

1 minute ago, Streetguru said:

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Intake fans don't control airflow the way an exhaust fan does... and there's only 1 of them blowing air over the motherboard, the other is mounted much closer to the GPU... and are they bringing in the hot air through your radiator? Because that will sabotage your results as well. Sounds like your board isn't the problem, you've just created a near worst-case scenario for it to work in. and even in that situation, with your really high voltages, your VRM's are still operating within spec.