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I originally bought an rx 480 for my custom pc and it works to an extent (doesn't work above base clock speeds, appears to have trouble getting above 70fps for most games. doesn't get above 50 for recently downloaded AC: origins plus has constant frame stuttering, though only for this game specifically) so i was looking at upgrading to an rx vega 64 but my power supply is an evga 650w (super nova G3 gold certified). the RX Vega 64 recommends a 750 watt power supply. however, i've done preliminary research/reading and some people are saying that a good quality 650w psu should be okay. Is that true? and is mine good enough? i just upgraded my power supply so i don't really want to do that again so soon. 

 

I would like to stay with amd considering i have a freesync monitor, but if the vega 64 isn't a good idea, would a 1070 or 1080 paired with a freesync cause that much of an issue? 

 

Also minor question. my graphics card was bad out of the box basically, so is there any way to combat that previously mentioned stuttering? I bumped down the settings all the way to low and it doesn't fix it at all, i hardly even see that much of a framerate increase compared to playing on high, so im at a loss? is it safe to assume its a graphics card problem?

 

if needed, the rest of my specs are as follows

 

  • intel i7-7700k (not overclocked)
  • Deepcool - Captain 240ex 153.0 cfm liquid cpu cooler
  • ASRock z270 Taichi ATX motherboard (P1.30)
  • Corsair vengence LPX 16gb ddr4 ram (2 x 8gb)
  • Sk hynix - SL308 250gb ssd (boot drive)
  • Seagate barracuda 2TB hard drive (storage)
  • Asus - radeon rx 480 8gb
  • EVGA - supernova G3 650w gold certified psu
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3 minutes ago, teroe said:

I originally bought an rx 480 for my custom pc and it works to an extent (doesn't work above base clock speeds, appears to have trouble getting above 70fps for most games. doesn't get above 50 for recently downloaded AC: origins plus has constant frame stuttering, though only for this game specifically) so i was looking at upgrading to an rx vega 64 but my power supply is an evga 650w (super nova G3 gold certified). the RX Vega 64 recommends a 750 watt power supply. however, i've done preliminary research/reading and some people are saying that a good quality 650w psu should be okay. Is that true? and is mine good enough? i just upgraded my power supply so i don't really want to do that again so soon. 

 

I would like to stay with amd considering i have a freesync monitor, but if the vega 64 isn't a good idea, would a 1070 or 1080 paired with a freesync cause that much of an issue? 

 

Also minor question. my graphics card was bad out of the box basically, so is there any way to combat that previously mentioned stuttering? I bumped down the settings all the way to low and it doesn't fix it at all, i hardly even see that much of a framerate increase compared to playing on high, so im at a loss? is it safe to assume its a graphics card problem?

 

if needed, the rest of my specs are as follows

 

  • intel i7-7700k (not overclocked)
  • Deepcool - Captain 240ex 153.0 cfm liquid cpu cooler
  • ASRock z270 Taichi ATX motherboard (P1.30)
  • Corsair vengence LPX 16gb ddr4 ram (2 x 8gb)
  • Sk hynix - SL308 250gb ssd (boot drive)
  • Seagate barracuda 2TB hard drive (storage)
  • Asus - radeon rx 480 8gb
  • EVGA - supernova G3 650w gold certified psu

Get a GTX 1070 Or 1080. It's more power efficient. And if your gaming this is plenty. 

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Is it for computing? then the Vega64 could justify but if you want a gaming card you should aim nVidia offerings as they really give more value for money on each tier.

 

Either ways 650w is the recommended by AMD and the PSU is rock solid so you'll be fine if you acquire this card.

 

Should be noted that this is a power hungry card:

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You'll be on your PSU limit, all more reason to consider nVidia.

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11 minutes ago, teroe said:

but if the vega 64 isn't a good idea, would a 1070 or 1080 paired with a freesync cause that much of an issue? 

Of course not I have a 1080 Ti with a freesync monitor, singleplayer story driven games I'll just v-sync triple buffered it resolves every thing most of the time... if not I can set FastSync and all it takes is fps be above the refresh rate and it has the same feel as FreeSync at least to my personal usage of it

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18 minutes ago, teroe said:

I originally bought an rx 480 for my custom pc and it works to an extent (doesn't work above base clock speeds, appears to have trouble getting above 70fps for most games. doesn't get above 50 for recently downloaded AC: origins plus has constant frame stuttering, though only for this game specifically) so i was looking at upgrading to an rx vega 64 but my power supply is an evga 650w (super nova G3 gold certified). the RX Vega 64 recommends a 750 watt power supply. however, i've done preliminary research/reading and some people are saying that a good quality 650w psu should be okay. Is that true? and is mine good enough? i just upgraded my power supply so i don't really want to do that again so soon. 

 

I would like to stay with amd considering i have a freesync monitor, but if the vega 64 isn't a good idea, would a 1070 or 1080 paired with a freesync cause that much of an issue? 

 

Also minor question. my graphics card was bad out of the box basically, so is there any way to combat that previously mentioned stuttering? I bumped down the settings all the way to low and it doesn't fix it at all, i hardly even see that much of a framerate increase compared to playing on high, so im at a loss? is it safe to assume its a graphics card problem?

 

if needed, the rest of my specs are as follows

 

  • intel i7-7700k (not overclocked)
  • Deepcool - Captain 240ex 153.0 cfm liquid cpu cooler
  • ASRock z270 Taichi ATX motherboard (P1.30)
  • Corsair vengence LPX 16gb ddr4 ram (2 x 8gb)
  • Sk hynix - SL308 250gb ssd (boot drive)
  • Seagate barracuda 2TB hard drive (storage)
  • Asus - radeon rx 480 8gb
  • EVGA - supernova G3 650w gold certified psu

Although I wouldn't go with a RX Vega 64 because you can get a 1080 for a cheaper price and still have a better performance than the RX Vega 64.

http://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-GTX-1080-vs-AMD-RX-Vega-64/3603vs3933

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7 minutes ago, Princess Cadence said:

Is it for computing? then the Vega64 could justify but if you want a gaming card you should aim nVidia offerings as they really give more value for money on each tier.

 

Either ways 650w is the recommended by AMD and the PSU is rock solid so you'll be fine if you acquire this card.

 

Should be noted that this is a power hungry card:

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You'll be on your PSU limit, all more reason to consider nVidia.

yeah that is one of the things that i was worried about for the rx vega. not that i would wait long to buy considering, but do you see that improving at all? with the non reference model cards down the line?

 

4 minutes ago, Princess Cadence said:

Of course not I have a 1080 Ti with a freesync monitor, singleplayer story driven games I'll just v-sync triple buffered it resolves every thing most of the time... if not I can set FastSync and all it takes is fps be above the refresh rate and it has the same feel as FreeSync at least to my personal usage of it

good to know, thank you! that's one of my bigger worries out of the way. what are the general framerates you'd get with a 1080 for single player games?

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3 minutes ago, NQSD said:

Although I wouldn't go with a RX Vega 64 because you can get a 1080 for a cheaper price and still have a better performance than the RX Vega 64.

http://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-GTX-1080-vs-AMD-RX-Vega-64/3603vs3933

you make an excellent point. to be completely honest one of the reasons im considering an rx vega is because i like the look of the vega's special edition. but i don't know how i could possibly justify spending well over 100 dollars for a card that performs less than a 1080 and yet at the same time consumes more power. that aesthetic though. 

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Just now, teroe said:

how i could possibly justify spending well over 100 dollars for a card that performs less than a 1080

Vega 64 Beats the 1080......and sometimes a 1080Ti

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Just now, DrMacintosh said:

Vega 64 Beats the 1080......and sometimes a 1080Ti

from what i've been hearing, basically the 1080 is the overall better option, but do you think it's worth it paying for a Vega 64 then? taking into account the premium and the power consumption. 

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14 minutes ago, DrMacintosh said:

Vega 64 Beats the 1080......and sometimes a 1080Ti

Can you please give me a link for the benchmarks?

 

Thnx

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36 minutes ago, teroe said:

non reference model cards down the line?

I watch that the ROG Strix was as much power consuming, then again if you have time to tweak its voltages you can make it lower... it will help but not totally fix things, I'd really consider a 1080 Ti if you can afford the 700ish collars of a Vega 64 and use Fast Sync as mentioned.

14 minutes ago, Mat1926 said:

Can you please give me a link for the benchmarks?

 

Thnx

Vega 64 bested the 1080 Ti in 1 game at 1 specific setting, it was Forza 7 with all max out and MSAA x8, if you turn just the MSAA to x4 the 1080 Ti takes the lead again, that is the only situation it happened.

 

Most games especially the ones nVidia takes part on the 1080 Ti sweeps the floor with the V64, they are total different tiers.

 

If we'll cherry pick results:

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1 minute ago, Princess Cadence said:

IIf we'll cherry pick results:

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The LC edition FPS is comparable to the 1070 FE. I was expecting a better performance for the price honestly...!

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You have Freesync --> You get AMD. Period.

People who recommend Nvidia based on pure power efficiency, don't actually know, how Freesync/G-Sync feels like.

 

That gives you MUCH more "smoothness", than even +20% fps.

 

VRR > All for Gaming.

 

Oh yea, unoptimiced CRAP like PUBG doesn't count. Check for some decent real games if you want any performance comparisons, and not a pre-alpha title that is still far from beeing anywhere close to completed.

 

But no, unlike @DrMacintosh claims, a Vega 64 does NOT beat a GTX 1080. Maybe in a handfull games, but if you calculate the average between xx games, vega loses. By pure Performance, AND power consumption.

What Vega does with 300+ Watt, GTX 1080 can do with 180 watt.

 

Still. Freesync, as long it's active and works as intended, gives you the by Far biggest impact in "smoothness", you can get.

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4 hours ago, Darkseth said:

You have Freesync --> You get AMD. Period.

People who recommend Nvidia based on pure power efficiency, don't actually know, how Freesync/G-Sync feels like.

 

That gives you MUCH more "smoothness", than even +20% fps.

 

VRR > All for Gaming.

 

Oh yea, unoptimiced CRAP like PUBG doesn't count. Check for some decent real games if you want any performance comparisons, and not a pre-alpha title that is still far from beeing anywhere close to completed.

 

But no, unlike @DrMacintosh claims, a Vega 64 does NOT beat a GTX 1080. Maybe in a handfull games, but if you calculate the average between xx games, vega loses. By pure Performance, AND power consumption.

What Vega does with 300+ Watt, GTX 1080 can do with 180 watt.

 

Still. Freesync, as long it's active and works as intended, gives you the by Far biggest impact in "smoothness", you can get.

thank you for the info! are there any problems i could run into by using a 650 watt psu with the vega 64? is there anything i should expect? would i be better off going for the 56 power consumption wise or is the boost in performance worth the extra consumption?

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6 hours ago, teroe said:
  • EVGA - supernova G3 650w gold certified psu

it's a very good PSU...used GTX 980ti, GTX 1070/1080..or vega...your pick.

personally, i would swing for a slightly used 1080.

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13 minutes ago, teroe said:

thank you for the info! are there any problems i could run into by using a 650 watt psu with the vega 64? is there anything i should expect? would i be better off going for the 56 power consumption wise or is the boost in performance worth the extra consumption?

If your PSU is fine (quality wise) there wont be any problem. Even if you completely SHIT all over your power efficiency, and overclock the Vega 64 to the max, your PSU should still beable to handle that :)

 

Hard OC, and vega 64 can draw 350-400 watt, which is pretty insane.. NOT worth, trust me.

 

Stock is around 280-300 watt.

 

Optimized can be 160-180 watt.

 

Check out this Thread: 

There you can check for yourself, what performance with what UV/OC you might get, at what power consumption.


 

 

If your GPU consumes around 180 watt~, you can calculate about almost 300 watt power consumption of the whole System during Gaming

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8 hours ago, Princess Cadence said:

Is it for computing? then the Vega64 could justify but if you want a gaming card you should aim nVidia offerings as they really give more value for money on each tier.

 

Either ways 650w is the recommended by AMD and the PSU is rock solid so you'll be fine if you acquire this card.

 

Should be noted that this is a power hungry card:

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You'll be on your PSU limit, all more reason to consider nVidia.

That is total system draw, so he should still have some headroom to work with.

Of course, depends on the test system.

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8 hours ago, DrMacintosh said:

Vega 64 Beats the 1080......and sometimes a 1080Ti

jeez where did you ever get that idea.

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Your current GPU isn't defective-- according to performance reviews, the new AC stutters on AMD cards other than Vega. Hopefully they fix that in a future driver update.

 

As for the upgrade: a good quality 650 watt will be fine. I would get Vega over 1080/1070 due to Freesync, given that you already have the monitor. Power efficiency is nice, but variable refresh is a game changer. Just keep your expectations reasonable, i.e. expect performance between a 1070 and 1080, or about 50% faster than your RX 480

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On 10/29/2017 at 3:55 AM, Vroooom said:

Your current GPU isn't defective-- according to performance reviews, the new AC stutters on AMD cards other than Vega. Hopefully they fix that in a future driver update.

 

As for the upgrade: a good quality 650 watt will be fine. I would get Vega over 1080/1070 due to Freesync, given that you already have the monitor. Power efficiency is nice, but variable refresh is a game changer. Just keep your expectations reasonable, i.e. expect performance between a 1070 and 1080, or about 50% faster than your RX 480

thats very informative, thank you! my card came factory overclocked and crashes at those levels, so i have to underclock it to standard rx 480 clock speeds for it to even work so it's good to know that the stuttering isn't also a gpu problem.

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As long as you don't OC too much , should be fine.

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On 10/29/2017 at 8:43 AM, Bcat00 said:

jeez where did you ever get that idea.

it's true actually . Most of the time it matches or slightly outpaces the 1080 , which is already known .

In a couple titles such as forza 7 , it does beat the ti , but those results seem to be outliers tbh

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