Generation 8 Intel CPUs VS AMD Ryzen

[Beef Boss]

First and foremost, this is NOT a which CPU is better or which one you like. There are threads for that, of which you can see yourself to. Now that is out of the way, this IS more of a thread I would like you guys to comment your thoughts on. 

So AMD is saying they will have longer term support for their sockets, while Intel does not. If AMD has at least a four year run with the same socket, and better CPUs will more just switch to AMD because you don't have to get a new motherboard to upgrade? Or would you choose to get a new motherboard with every new generation CPU? 

[WereCat]

If AMD has at least 3 gen support on AM4 and they can somehow make the newer Zen clock to about 4.5GHz then it is no-brainer (if the price stays as it is or becomes cheaper) because the single-threaded performance will be (barely) enough for 144Hz and also we get ECC support along the way (with some boards).

 

But that's from my point of view. I don't plan to upgrade to anything as of yet.

 

I find the Intel 8th gen underwhelming. No real upgrade path in the future once you go for 8700k, that's it. X299 makes more sense at that point if I am to spend €420 for CPU anyway. Also, I get at least Quad-channel support and some other features.

[Cryptonite]

11 minutes ago, BadluckBrian said:

First and foremost, this is NOT a which CPU is better or which one you like. There are threads for that, of which you can see yourself to. Now that is out of the way, this IS more of a thread I would like you guys to comment your thoughts on. 

So AMD is saying they will have longer term support for their sockets, while Intel does not. If AMD has at least a four year run with the same socket, and better CPUs will more just switch to AMD because you don't have to get a new motherboard to upgrade? Or would you choose to get a new motherboard with every new generation CPU? 

if I had any reason to I'd already be rocking a Ryzen cpu and upgrade the cpu later on. However with my x99 mobo and xeon cpu I do not see myself upgrading very soon.

[Guest]

Well, since that AMD is supporting backwards compatability with the AM4 socket, this provides a better upgrade path if you want to upgrade to a newer ryzen processor in the future. In terms of the 8th gen CoffeeLake CPUs, there isnt really any upgrade path, you go with the 8700k, thats it. The X299 platform makes more sense with a wider variety of core i9/corei7 processors to choose from when it comes to the mainstream of upgradability choices. If you went with a new motherboard with every new generation CPU from intel, you would be finally realising how much money you have already spent.

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sell it b4 new ryzen processors are released

[porina]

It is a difficult one, would you significantly factor into your buying decision a promise there is an upgrade path? Or do you buy for today? For my main system, I've tended to buy a high end mainstream CPU with no expectation of a significant CPU upgrade during its main working life. Ram quantity, maybe. GPU and storage, usually, but not CPU.

 

As for Ryzen 2, my gut feeling is that we're not going to see significant, if any, change to IPC. Process improvements will likely give more clock headroom and help remove one of the big reasons against it. They may also offer even more cores but for most users, it still remains a question what will they do with them all? If you needed more cores in the first place, you're probably already looking at Threadripper.

 

Say you have a R7 1700 today (like I do). What would be enough of an upgrade to be worth replacing the CPU in the future? More clock? More cores? How much of each? I'll keep looking at each new generation but it may take something more radical to be enough to a jump worth taking.