General Intel HEDT Xeon/i7 Discussion

[Somerandomtechyboi]

5 hours ago, Slayer3032 said:

Everyone always says Westmere degrades if you push the QPI so I've just ran 1.35v through it and worked around that.

they probably ran into the same thing i ran into being mounting variances or something like that, basically sometimes its a good mount and does 2800c11 stable on all 3 channels like my w3670 and overtime seems to change even when not in use to that w3670 now wont do 2800c11 stable anymore not till i remount it again

 

even on trash amibios boards these could do 2600-2700 ish since it officially supported 3:2 uncore memclk so i can see some overclocker back in those days running 2600+ ddr3 then their once stable profile isnt stable anymore then mistaking it as degradation then reporting it to tpu where this mass misinformation seems to have spread from, fair enough with their knowledge at the time but ill probably make something to rectify this mistake of the past so no more crippled ocs running uncore at <3600 due to vtt at 1.35v when 1.45/1.48 already bring it to 3900 and 1.5/1.55v would bring it ~4000 atleast when i tested with my x5660 but ill probably test with my w3670 and w3680 once i get these mounted properly again as these are definitely better chips, not like i dont already constantly run >1.5v vtt anyways and i dont go lower most of the time, also just clear up the 1.65v max vdimm or vdimm must be within 0.5v of vtt cause the imc can give less of a shit about vdimm as someone who also constantly runs >2v usually 2.3v for gdies on 12+ hour prime95 largeffts paired with vtt at 1.5v/1.55v and temps creeping up to the low 80s

 

these are best ran at 1.5-1.55v for max oc, 1.35v is simply far too low and id put a minimum of 1.45v if you want the thing to run a half decent oc, bloomfield is anywhere from 1.5-1.7v with some managing to maintain stability at 1.8v, your wall with bloomfield is mainly max uncore voltage itll run stabily as degradation wont happen till 1.9v+ and i do have an i7 920 that refuses to be stable above 1.5v uncore whilst my other chips maintain stability at 1.6 or 1.7v and one of my w3503 can maintain stability even at 1.8v vtt

 

5 hours ago, Slayer3032 said:

Honestly, it never even crossed my mind that the westmere xeons would also have their memory muiltiplier locked. Which would definitely explain why I found 180x10 to be the best it could generally do memory wise. I'm pretty sure 200bclk is like a wall on this board as well, I never found 190+ to even be stable either. My D0 bloomfield needed like 1.4v vcore for 3.8ghz, it wasn't really a winner.

i thought i had meh hardware this is just on a whole other level of crap bin hardware like holy shit any decent x58 board should do 220bclk no slowmode and be stable with it and trash boards cant stabilize >200bclk but should be able to do 200 just fine, havent really tested my i7s yet for core frequency but i think theyll do atleast 4ghz at that voltage

 

heck that chip might be the equivalent of the really bad w3503s i have that wont even post ddr3 3000 or even ddr3 2900 and even the meh samples should still clock 3100-3200 on a single stick

 

5 hours ago, Slayer3032 said:

I have the Rev.1 UD5 which isn't the Rev.2 with 16 phases, I'm pretty sure the Rev.1 is a 12 phase board so it wouldn't be similar to an extreme. Although wait there's also a EX58-UD5. I have the GA-X58A-UD5 Rev.1 to be specific lmao

oh i thought it was an ex58

 

well that just makes it even worse cause these are newer than the ex58 boards though both of my x58a ud3r are rev 2 and i do have a broken rev 1 i just need to resolder the bios, welp i think ill avoid the rev 1 boards and i can see for myself what a rev1 board acts like once i resolder the bios chip on the board i have cause someone seems to have done an awful job at soldering the bios chips and it wont post unless i short the backup bios right before it goes to post specifically code 02 after memory training, you can see the codes for yourself ad the ud5 does have built in postcode on the bottom left of the board

 

5 hours ago, Slayer3032 said:

The ecc sticks are 1rx8 unbuffered PC3-14900E MT9JSF51272AZ-1G9E2ZE

 

yea thats garbage ram with some micron d9q ic

 

my failed x58 gaming rig has 6 sticks of d9qbj i bought thinking theyd atleast do <200trfc but no these are actual dogshit, currently runs at 1900/2000 9-12-12 vdimm at 2v trfc is like 300 ish, i would loosen cl and run it at a lower volt cause cl is such a waste of voltage but i cant be arsed to retune the thing and i dont want to retune the subtimings either

 

apparently these are supposed to scale pretty well with voltage so might wanna run >2v besides they dont clock that high so temps arent that much of a concern and its a micron ic which on ddr2/3 are very voltage tolerant and shouldnt degrade even at >2v even if ddr3 microns are trash ics for the most part

 

5 hours ago, Slayer3032 said:

I think the F8a bios also fixed the mac pro memory post loop I would often get because the default settings didn't post on F6

post loop upon boot or reboot?

boot just fails and rolls d8 e4/e2 but reboot loop happens to me at high ram ocs and is c1 b2

 

shouldnt happen on slow speed rams though as those errors only start popping up when you are closing in on the limits of the board or imc (2800+)

[Slayer3032]

Alright, now that I got my NM-I3 from Noctua(they still have them!) and I can get that nasty bend out of the board around the socket. I gave that EVGA E758 another try. Seems like the board getting stuck in dual channel mode and all around just being a pain with triple channel memory, is very common on this board.

 

And oooooooooh boy is the NH-D14 a tight fit on this board, luckily I didn't have to chop into it which I'd rather stick it in the home server in that case unlike the A500 I modded for the GA-X58A-UD5. Out of the 4 directions I could mount the NH-D14, it seems like backwards(logos upside down) is a perfect fit and all other directions don't clear something.

 

Aaand it still didn't use the 3rd channel, despite reseating the memory, cleaning the bottom of the X5670, reseating the cpu and very carefully and evenly applying torque. However, I gave it one last attempt. I then blew out all of the dimm slots with canned air and carefully inspected them with a magnifying glass and couldn't find any damage(again). So I scrubbed down the pads on my dimms with 99% iso and a Q tip. The Q tip was surprisingly dark despite the contact pads looking clean. I inserted them and tried to repeatedly wiggle them vertically(?) up and down as suggested by the EVGA forums while making sure they're really good and wiggled in there.

 

 

Oh my god it finally detects the full 18GB. I can definitely recommend cleaning the pads on all your old memory. It's not actually broken or junk despite having reseated the cpu/memory in this thing at least 10+ times so far. I think I've filled this board with pretty much every DDR3 dimm I've had on hand too and that never helped. Kinda disappointed I don't get to toss the NH-D14 on the home server but it's not like a stock X5660 gets over 50c on a 212 and then I don't have to touch it. Shame I never got around to this years ago but good LGA1366 coolers are expensive.

[Crunchy Dragon]

15 hours ago, Slayer3032 said:

I can definitely recommend cleaning the pads on all your old memory.

Love when the fix is something obnoxiously simple that we just never think to do.

[the pudding]

As usual, I return to X299 again lmao, need to try fix the bc prochot issue I was running into on the dark, going to just submerge it in isopropyl over the weekend and see if that does it, but failing that I got a really good deal on an X299 deluxe II 

[Crunchy Dragon]

14 hours ago, the pudding said:

As usual, I return to X299 again lmao, need to try fix the bc prochot issue I was running into on the dark, going to just submerge it in isopropyl over the weekend and see if that does it, but failing that I got a really good deal on an X299 deluxe II

I've been liking my 7820X. It's an older chip but it isn't dragging its feet yet, and temperatures haven't been an issue thus far either.

[TopHatProductions115]

On 7/17/2024 at 7:51 PM, Slayer3032 said:

Alright, now that I got my NM-I3 from Noctua(they still have them!) and I can get that nasty bend out of the board around the socket. I gave that EVGA E758 another try. Seems like the board getting stuck in dual channel mode and all around just being a pain with triple channel memory, is very common on this board.

 

And oooooooooh boy is the NH-D14 a tight fit on this board, luckily I didn't have to chop into it which I'd rather stick it in the home server in that case unlike the A500 I modded for the GA-X58A-UD5. Out of the 4 directions I could mount the NH-D14, it seems like backwards(logos upside down) is a perfect fit and all other directions don't clear something.

 

Aaand it still didn't use the 3rd channel, despite reseating the memory, cleaning the bottom of the X5670, reseating the cpu and very carefully and evenly applying torque. However, I gave it one last attempt. I then blew out all of the dimm slots with canned air and carefully inspected them with a magnifying glass and couldn't find any damage(again). So I scrubbed down the pads on my dimms with 99% iso and a Q tip. The Q tip was surprisingly dark despite the contact pads looking clean. I inserted them and tried to repeatedly wiggle them vertically(?) up and down as suggested by the EVGA forums while making sure they're really good and wiggled in there.

 

 

Oh my god it finally detects the full 18GB. I can definitely recommend cleaning the pads on all your old memory. It's not actually broken or junk despite having reseated the cpu/memory in this thing at least 10+ times so far. I think I've filled this board with pretty much every DDR3 dimm I've had on hand too and that never helped. Kinda disappointed I don't get to toss the NH-D14 on the home server but it's not like a stock X5660 gets over 50c on a 212 and then I don't have to touch it. Shame I never got around to this years ago but good LGA1366 coolers are expensive.

Not to sound dumb, but what OS are you running? Windows or Linux?

[the pudding]

On 10/10/2024 at 11:13 PM, Crunchy Dragon said:

I've been liking my 7820X. It's an older chip but it isn't dragging its feet yet, and temperatures haven't been an issue thus far either.

Yeah the 7820's are pretty sweet all things considered, cheap af nowadays too

 

Seems I spoke a bit too soon as well, the X299 deluxe II I got does not work properly, will only see 2 of 4 dimms regardless of what I do, tried that with 3 known good cpus and 3 known good kits of ram, no dice so I've opened a return on that, here's hoping that giving my X299 dark an iso bath over the weekend fixes the BD prochot issues I was having 

[the pudding]

She's all ready for her bath, she'll be staying in an iso bath over the weekend, hopefully that resolves the issues, time will tell I guess 

[Slayer3032]

On 10/11/2024 at 12:59 PM, TopHatProductions115 said:

Not to sound dumb, but what OS are you running? Windows or Linux?

Linux Mint, the task manager is Mission Center which is available via flatpak. It looked really nice on Mint 21 but on 22 it defaults to light mode probably because of GTK/XFCE things.

[the pudding]

Welp, F in chat lads, the dark is still doing the BD prochot thing even after the iso dip, not sure what exactly is causing the issue, a shame

 

Unfortunately my X299 deluxe II also didn't work (wouldn't see more than 2 dimms, all of the ram works but it wouldn't see anything other than 2 at a time, slots felt loose though so assuming that was the issue

 

Fortunately enough though there's an asrock X299 creator so that should do 

[Pasi123]

I bought another 64GB (2x 32GB) kit so now I'm finally running quad channel on X299. The last time I had triple digit amount of RAM in my main PC was 384MB on 440BX in the late 2000s before upgrading to a netbook with 1GB RAM. Though I did buy an old PGA478 Celeron system in 2011 with 256MB RAM and it technically was my main desktop for few months even though I didn't use it much.

 

[the pudding]

On 10/18/2024 at 9:28 PM, Pasi123 said:

I bought another 64GB (2x 32GB) kit so now I'm finally running quad channel on X299. The last time I had triple digit amount of RAM in my main PC was 384MB on 440BX in the late 2000s before upgrading to a netbook with 1GB RAM. Though I did buy an old PGA478 Celeron system in 2011 with 256MB RAM and it technically was my main desktop for few months even though I didn't use it much.

Niiiiiiiice! speedy system that

[the pudding]

On 10/13/2024 at 5:53 PM, the pudding said:

Welp, F in chat lads, the dark is still doing the BD prochot thing even after the iso dip, not sure what exactly is causing the issue, a shame

 

Unfortunately my X299 deluxe II also didn't work (wouldn't see more than 2 dimms, all of the ram works but it wouldn't see anything other than 2 at a time, slots felt loose though so assuming that was the issue

 

Fortunately enough though there's an asrock X299 creator so that should do 

So, my solution to this, was to buy another dark lmao, ordered that Friday evening, was posted Saturday morning, and it arrived Sunday morning, very happy with that haha, seems this 7980XE is an alright bin too, 4.6 1.2v set (1.17v get), need to change out my TIM before I can push any further though as that's my main limit at the minute just being paste (though it is direct die mind you), a little torn between something like a kryosheet or just liquid metal