General Intel HEDT Xeon/i7 Discussion

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49 minutes ago, Pasi123 said:

For mining and F@H CPU doesn't matter much. Usually mining rigs have Celerons or Pentiums. And I've seen some people folding with modern GPUs on old dual core Athlons

I'd beg to differ 

 

My 8700K beats my 2700x folding the same WU by on average a couple thousand points GPU only. RTX 2060 in each system.

 

I can only imagine the hit a 3090 takes running on older platforms. Eek.

[Slayer3032]

On 2/15/2021 at 12:51 PM, hugheser said:

Was wondering if anyone familiar on this thread can help me with an issue I am having with multiple gpus. I recently got a 3090 and a 1660 super gpu. Both cards work fine independently but when I try to run both, windows 10 boot from ssd takes 5-10m and the system is generally unresponsive (30 seconds to load any program, stuttering dragging windows, input delay from keyboard and mouse).

Any ideas on what limitation I am hitting? Memory, power, cpu?

-3090 In PCIex16_1
-1660 Super in PCIex16_2
-BIOS has PCIex16 in 16x mode.
-Had system for 10+ years, love it, it can handle almost anything.
-Have run a few different combinations of multiple GPUs over the years with these slots, but never a combo with this much power draw.
-Can mine on both cards with full hash-rate at the same time
-Tried running single display from either card, no change
-Brand new 1000w PSU

i7-920
Asus P6T Deluxe Mobo

8x3 DDR3-1600 RAM

1000wpsu

Nvidia RTX 3090 + 1660 Super

 

You're running a i7 920 at stock clocks still? I wasn't happy with my i7 930 at 3.8ghz and and nearly doubled my scores in cinebench after getting this X5675 dialed in at 4.5ghz. My X5660 home server runs so much cooler under a $15 212 LED than my i7 930 did toasting itself under the stock heatsink before I got my NH-D15. Even if it's time for a platform upgrade, running a 6 core westmere chip at even stock would be a solid performance boost for under $20.

 

X5670's are usually a good value but all of the skus fluctuate, sometimes E5649's are like $5, sometimes X5675's are $35~. X5675's seem to be clearing out again for below $20. Usually they're pretty decent silicon capable of around 4.4ghz.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/INTEL-SLBYL-INTEL-XEON-X5675-PROC/174640432858

[hugheser]

On 2/17/2021 at 6:44 AM, Slayer3032 said:

 

You're running a i7 920 at stock clocks still? I wasn't happy with my i7 930 at 3.8ghz and and nearly doubled my scores in cinebench after getting this X5675 dialed in at 4.5ghz. My X5660 home server runs so much cooler under a $15 212 LED than my i7 930 did toasting itself under the stock heatsink before I got my NH-D15. Even if it's time for a platform upgrade, running a 6 core westmere chip at even stock would be a solid performance boost for under $20.

 

X5670's are usually a good value but all of the skus fluctuate, sometimes E5649's are like $5, sometimes X5675's are $35~. X5675's seem to be clearing out again for below $20. Usually they're pretty decent silicon capable of around 4.4ghz.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/INTEL-SLBYL-INTEL-XEON-X5675-PROC/174640432858

Thanks I had it overclocked in the past but not anymore. I may try the x5675 swap after its no longer my primary machine.

[drevmcast]

On 2/18/2021 at 4:52 AM, hugheser said:

Thanks I had it overclocked in the past but not anymore. I may try the x5675 swap after its no longer my primary machine.

Why wouldn't you swap the x5675? It is better in every aspect from the 920 and you can get them for 20 dollars. 

[Pasi123]

On 2/2/2021 at 5:56 PM, Pasi123 said:

My newest HEDT system. I'm probably going to buy a Xeon E5-2690 8c/16t for this system, this is one of the older versions of Lenovo ThinkStation S30 which don't support Ivy Bridge.

I might also buy another 4x16GB 1600MHz kit to get 128GB RAM total which should be decent for Chrome.

Spoiler

 

Now I have a Xeon E5-2690 in this C600/X79 system. That 80GB RAM it currently has isn't really optimal (4x16GB 1600MHz + 1x8GB 1333MHz + 2x4GB 1333MHz + empty slot) but Cinebench doesn't care much about RAM speed so the difference in the scores would be pretty small.

 

Cinebench R15: 1139 cb

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Cinebench R20: 2358 pts

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Cinebench R23: 6051 pts multi, 686 pts single

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For comparison my X5670 6c/12t @ 4.4GHz:

Cinebench R15: 1015 cb

Cinebench R20: 2138 pts

Cinebench R23: 5464 pts multi, 695 pts single

 

So in Cinebench multicore the E5-2690 8c/16t is ~10% faster than the X5670 6c/12t @ 4.4GHz

[Slayer3032]

I picked up a Meshify 2 Compact right after it went up on Newegg so lets stick my 11 year old board into an 11 day old case! I really love the Define 7 my home server is in now and it was killing me how fancy it is. With all the new hardware being overpriced and with my GPU still being the primary bottleneck it doesn't seem to make much sense right now. The extra drive cage from the Meshify will let me get to I think 14 3.5" bays without even resorting to the gross multi brackets which I think I have a couple spares of as well now. Compared to the Define 7 though the Define front is much higher quality. The Meshify 2 front is entirely plastic while the Define has fancy metal hinges that are even reversible along with more substantial filters and parts.

 

 

What I didn't expect though was that it dropped CPU temps 10c, I expected something but not a full 10c. Pulling 250-300w+ to the X5675 this NH-D14 with the stock fan curve on my board will never push 100% to all of my fans split off a fan hub and it's somehow only getting up to 70-72c. With the Corsair 450D while the hard drive cage was still in it, I was seeing 90c. After removing the cage, 80c~ and now just switching the case over in a warm room and I've seen like an almost 20c drop compared to stock configuration of my last case...

 

I also bought some sleeved cable extensions but upon hearing coil whine during P95 which is just more audible in the Meshify 2 now, I decided they're not worth the extra mess they cause in the case. Maybe I'll put them back in or maybe I'll just offload them with the 450D. The Seasonic cables with the capacitors really don't look terrible but the daisy chain 8 pin pci-e isn't great looking.

 

I would have taken more pictures but after cleaning everything inside and out, picking the dust out where it builds up and having to wire it like 3 times as well as sticking all the DC fans into the 450D and cleaning that thoroughly. I just wanted to use the thing since it'll come apart again for sure anyways.

 

I wish they made like a EVGA PowerLink except with the female 8 pin facing towards the motherboard which would be a straight shot into a cable grommet. Now that I don't have a side panel that's made of swirls and plexiglass, I could probably do some RGB. The question is though do I really want to light up my trash heap?

[Slayer3032]

So the temp reduction from the new case and a buddy of mine tweaking his base clock on a 4790 non-k made me want to give some overclocking runs a try again. First I wanted 5ghz+ on cpu-z as an easy target.

 

 

That single thread boost is really silly, I can't seem to benchmark it providing a performance increase but at least I don't only have a screenshot of something like 4999.9mhz now. I'm sure it could go higher but that's really not needed. I disabled my C-States/EIST for some actual benchmarking though since the temps looked great and that turned off the x26 multiplier. I didn't give higher base clocks a shot since using the turbo multipliers has always been the most stable route for me and I think it did pretty well actually.

 

https://valid.x86.fr/l4t13s

 

Last best score I was able to manage was 1101cb at 4.85ghz. The voltages are really getting pretty intense though, 1.6v vcore with LLC and 1.375 on the QPI/IMC. I remember Ground experienced degradation at 1.55v running cpus for days, I'd assume that was nonstop stress tests? The highest R15 score for Westmere on air is 1143cb on HWBot, but that's a 990x running 4ghz+ uncore which with my 24/7 settings being 3200@1.35v and 196x20 being a solid no post I don't think it has it in it without really dumping voltage into the IMC. My G.Skill Pi Series did pretty well too, my inability to run memory at higher speeds seems tied to my slower uncore that I'm forced to run for stability.

 

Usually I've always felt like there was a wall where it stopped posting but now it's really seeming like it's just a matter of how far do I feel comfortable pushing my personal rig which with the extreme OC red lights coming on is probably time to stop as the system works rather nicely and I'd like to keep it that way. What kind of voltage have you guys pushed into these and not noticed any issues?

 

In true fashion for my board, suddenly it's finally found the ability to boot my mac pro ecc memory at stock settings when an overclock fails. Despite having this memory for a few years and it never once having been able to post at stock settings, now it just works as intended... It used to require me to mix memory so often that I just left a loose dimm under a dust filter.

[CommanderAlex]

Well, since I have some time off from school, I can finally mess around with my i9-10980XE. Currently typing this up on my laptop as I am stress testing some turbo ratios I set per core on the my rig. I've been going back and forth and have a Google Sheet (Excel) of what my temps, ratios, and the info on how well each core can overclock from BIOS. After spending time running Cinebench R23 runs and changing the ratios, I finally hit my first crash. I turned down the ratios and tried again and so far so good. I finally installed Prime 95 and started to crash immediately after starting. I had to read around online on overclocking tips on a 10980XE and came across a reddit thread where someone said to set and AVX offset of 3 and AVX-512 offset of either 6 or 7 (assuming negatives to reduce turbo ratios). I went back into BIOS and set those AVX settings in and this is what I got going so far. 

 

Now for the odd ball max temps, I've been keeping an eye on them and they don't seem to hit those temps yet. Before I started all of this today, I had an all-core turbo ratio of 3.9GHz with varying turbo ratios depending on how many cores were used (but I never saw Windows allocate this). 

 

 

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1 hour ago, SpiderMan said:

Well, since I have some time off from school, I can finally mess around with my i9-10980XE. Currently typing this up on my laptop as I am stress testing some turbo ratios I set per core on the my rig. I've been going back and forth and have a Google Sheet (Excel) of what my temps, ratios, and the info on how well each core can overclock from BIOS. After spending time running Cinebench R23 runs and changing the ratios, I finally hit my first crash. I turned down the ratios and tried again and so far so good. I finally installed Prime 95 and started to crash immediately after starting. I had to read around online on overclocking tips on a 10980XE and came across a reddit thread where someone said to set and AVX offset of 3 and AVX-512 offset of either 6 or 7 (assuming negatives to reduce turbo ratios). I went back into BIOS and set those AVX settings in and this is what I got going so far. 

 

Now for the odd ball max temps, I've been keeping an eye on them and they don't seem to hit those temps yet. Before I started all of this today, I had an all-core turbo ratio of 3.9GHz with varying turbo ratios depending on how many cores were used (but I never saw Windows allocate this). 

 

How long was HWinfo64 open for. I wonder if it bugs out after being open for extended periods of time. I do remember noticing that at some point, but off head, can't remember if it was HWMonitor or HWinfo64.

 

 

[GrockleTD]

i have acquired for my own self an C602 server, so that'll be interesting

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5 minutes ago, GrockleTD said:

i have acquired for my own self an C602 server, so that'll be interesting

Traded for this, will fire up sometime this weekend hopefully.

supermicro X7DWN+
1 E5420
6x2gb sticks

 

[GrockleTD]

18 minutes ago, ShrimpBrime said:

Traded for this, will fire up sometime this weekend hopefully.

supermicro X7DWN+
1 E5420
6x2gb sticks

 

This is the actual thing I bought;

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, GrockleTD said:

This is the actual thing I bought;

Nice!

What are your plans with it?

[CommanderAlex]

8 hours ago, ShrimpBrime said:

How long was HWinfo64 open for. I wonder if it bugs out after being open for extended periods of time. I do remember noticing that at some point, but off head, can't remember if it was HWMonitor or HWinfo64.

 

 

I had it open since the start of the test and I've noticed it would only update about every ~5-10 seconds or so. I ran the test for an hour now and no crashes so I'm on the right path I suppose. Tried a couple games after the test as it was closing in on midnight and it works flawlessly. 

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1 hour ago, SpiderMan said:

I had it open since the start of the test and I've noticed it would only update about every ~5-10 seconds or so. I ran the test for an hour now and no crashes so I'm on the right path I suppose. Tried a couple games after the test as it was closing in on midnight and it works flawlessly. 

you should be able to adjust the update rate, but man thats a badass system you got there!

[CommanderAlex]

Just now, ShrimpBrime said:

you should be able to adjust the update rate, but man thats a badass system you got there!

Haha thanks, I gotta go back into BIOS and get the turbo ratios I set to share with you guys, just want to confirm they are the ones I put in the Sheets doc. This is all being done on a NH-D15 too so I'm happy so far. 

[Guest]

9 minutes ago, SpiderMan said:

Haha thanks, I gotta go back into BIOS and get the turbo ratios I set to share with you guys, just want to confirm they are the ones I put in the Sheets doc. This is all being done on a NH-D15 too so I'm happy so far. 

Them D15s are great coolers. 

It should be boosting properly, I don't see why not. Especially if it doesn't throttle.

[CommanderAlex]

Just now, ShrimpBrime said:

Them D15s are great coolers. 

It should be boosting properly, I don't see why not. Especially if it doesn't throttle.

So far, the CPU is boosting properly. All the cores are going (I believe what I put) at their respective turbo ratios. This is what I got so far and after playing WoT (its overkill I know 

).

[Guest]

1 minute ago, SpiderMan said:

So far, the CPU is boosting properly. All the cores are going (I believe what I put) at their respective turbo ratios. This is what I got so far and after playing WoT (its overkill I know 

).

Haha, way overkill. The cpu doesn't even break a sweat! Awesome.

[GrockleTD]

14 hours ago, ShrimpBrime said:

Nice!

What are your plans with it?

not 100 percent sure, but i've been wanting one for a while and i saw that one for a good price. probably going to use it for Minecraft/space Engineers hosting

[CommanderAlex]

I went back to double check the ratios and they are the same as I originally posted. Decided to do some Cinebench runs and this is what I got. 

 

Cinebench R15:

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Cinebench R20:

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Cinebench R23: 

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[Guest]

1 hour ago, SpiderMan said:

I went back to double check the ratios and they are the same as I originally posted. Decided to do some Cinebench runs and this is what I got. 

 

Cinebench R15:

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Cinebench R20:

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Cinebench R23: 

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R20, I think you could eek 10K from it. 

[CommanderAlex]

22 minutes ago, ShrimpBrime said:

R20, I think you could eek 10K from it. 

I'll try and rerun it again, this time close out more background processes as I did before, but not all of them. 

[Guest]

1 minute ago, SpiderMan said:

I'll try and rerun it again, this time close out more background processes as I did before, but not all of them. 

hold CTRL and SHIFT and right click the task bar. At the bottom click exit explorer  

 

Oh to bring it back, open task manager and open "explorer" without the quotes.

[CommanderAlex]

52 minutes ago, ShrimpBrime said:

hold CTRL and SHIFT and right click the task bar. At the bottom click exit explorer  

 

Oh to bring it back, open task manager and open "explorer" without the quotes.

I couldn't figure it out haha. I just did a clean boot and disabled things again. This is what I got after trying again. I think I have to go back to the drawing board with the ratios.