Is there any point in upgrading to a 1070?

[ThinkWithPortals]

So I've been bothered recently by the GPU in my computer. Being in quite a confined case, and not the most efficient architecture (EVOLV ITX and RX 480, respectively), it tends to get quite hot (low 80s) and very loud (audible from other rooms). I'd like to fix this, and I had the idea of maybe being able to sell my RX 480 (hopefully at no significant loss thanks to the crazy demand of Polaris cards right now), and buy a cheapish GTX 1070 for only about £100-£150 of total expenditure. By doing this, I should be able to get a GPU that is a bit quieter and cooler, with some more power to boot.

 

(Even if I do that I'll probably wait till after the release of the 1070ti to see what that's like, then make a decision)

 

However, the only thing that concerns my about this is my CPU/mobo/RAM. They're not new by any stretch of the imagination (4690K/Z97/DDR3) so I thought: is there any point in swapping my GPU? If I'm going to need to replace my CPU/RAM/MB soonish, since they're pretty old, should I not bother to change my GPU, live with it for a time and then just get pretty much a whole new PC a bit later, with something like Ryzen or Coffee Lake + DDR4?

 

So, what should I do? Sell/swap my GPU now for reduced noise, heat and some more power, or if my other parts are getting a bit long in the tooth, wait it out and replace a whole bunch of stuff in like a year? 

[Sanctorum]

If you can sell your 480 for a good price, go for it. You can get 580s for $250 now though. 

[AlTech]

I don't know where you live but 1070s are not 150-180 pounds. You'll be lucky to have one for 250-280 pounds.

 

Anyhow, wait for the 1070Ti.

[Valkyrie Lenneth]

with a 4690k a 1070gtx should be a nice upgrade, u gonna need to get a i7 to fully eliminate necking on a few games ( example the new cod ww2 and bf1 )

 

however u can always upgrade cpu in the future the i5 should only neck the card on a few games that are extreme cpu demanding ( and not too much necking )

[Ophidio]

1 minute ago, AluminiumTech said:

I don't know where you live but 1070s are not 150-180 pounds. You'll be lucky to have one for 250-280 pounds.

 

Anyhow, wait for the 1070Ti.

When he said 150 to 180 he was talking about how much he would have to spend on top of the money he makes from selling his current card.

 

I would upgrade, the 4690k is still a good CPU and you shouldn't really have any problems with it in your current setup  but i would also wait for the ti like everyone else is going to mention because we still aren't sure what its going to be like, 1070ti could also magically cause Vega 56 prices to go down which would be really nice. 

[AlTech]

Just now, Ophidio said:

When he said 150 to 180 he was talking about how much he would have to spend on top of the money he makes from selling his current card.

Aha. But still.

There's no real reason to go from a 480 to a 1070. The performance difference isn't worth it.

 

If OP was thinking 1080/1080Ti then i'd say absolutely go for it but the difference in performance isn't large enough.

[TrigrH]

10 minutes ago, ThinkWithPortals said:

So I've been bothered recently by the GPU in my computer. Being in quite a confined case, and not the most efficient architecture (EVOLV ITX and RX 480, respectively), it tends to get quite hot (low 80s) and very loud (audible from other rooms). I'd like to fix this, and I had the idea of maybe being able to sell my RX 480 (hopefully at no significant loss thanks to the crazy demand of Polaris cards right now), and buy a cheapish GTX 1070 for only about £100-£150 of total expenditure. By doing this, I should be able to get a GPU that is a bit quieter and cooler, with some more power to boot.

 

(Even if I do that I'll probably wait till after the release of the 1070ti to see what that's like, then make a decision)

 

However, the only thing that concerns my about this is my CPU/mobo/RAM. They're not new by any stretch of the imagination (4690K/Z97/DDR3) so I thought: is there any point in swapping my GPU? If I'm going to need to replace my CPU/RAM/MB soonish, since they're pretty old, should I not bother to change my GPU, live with it for a time and then just get pretty much a whole new PC a bit later, with something like Ryzen or Coffee Lake + DDR4?

 

So, what should I do? Sell/swap my GPU now for reduced noise, heat and some more power, or if my other parts are getting a bit long in the tooth, wait it out and replace a whole bunch of stuff in like a year? 

 

Soo basically you're a noob, you have one of the best value to money graphics cards and you want to get a 1070 instead?

I almost regret buying my 1070 considering how well an rx480 performs for so much less.

 

But heat you say? Undervolt the card. I've done it to a friends rx 480, it works perfectly.

[Sanctorum]

11 minutes ago, AluminiumTech said:

I don't know where you live but 1070s are not 150-180 pounds. You'll be lucky to have one for 250-280 pounds.

£100-150 ON TOP of the money he gets for the RX 480. You can buy a GTX 1070s in the low £300s easily, which means OP is looking to get about £200 for his 480, which is reasonable for a good model.

 

8 minutes ago, AluminiumTech said:

Aha. But still.

There's no real reason to go from a 480 to a 1070. The performance difference isn't worth it.

There's plenty of reasons. The main one being it's a better GPU. The 6GB GTX 1060 out performs the RX 480 so the GTX 1070 is a pretty significant upgrade from a 480, and is a more efficient card.

[AlTech]

Just now, Sanctorum said:

£100-150 ON TOP of the money he gets for the RX 480. You can buy a GTX 1070s in the low £300s easily, which means OP is looking to get about £200 for his 480, which is reasonable for a good model.

 

There's plenty of reasons. The main one being it's a better GPU. The 6GB GTX 1060 out performs the RX 480 so the GTX 1070 is a pretty significant upgrade from a 480, and is a more efficient card.

50% is not significant enough to jump from one 2016 GPU to another. The 480 is actually a really efficient card in its own right.

[PlayStation 2]

What do you play most often?

[ThinkWithPortals]

3 minutes ago, AluminiumTech said:

50% is not significant enough to jump from one 2016 GPU to another. The 480 is actually a really efficient card in its own right.

Still produces too much heat/noise in a small case for my liking. What I was also considering was to get one of those GPU-liquid-cooler-bracket things like NZXT makes, but it doesn't seem like any fit the NITRO+ 480's PCB.

Just now, Dan Castellaneta said:

What do you play most often?

Elite Dangerous, modded Skyrim, Dishonored 2, Dishonored DOTO, DOOM, Shadow of Mordor, Project Cars... why?

 

[TrigrH]

5 minutes ago, ThinkWithPortals said:

Still produces too much heat/noise in a small case for my liking. What I was also considering was to get one of those GPU-liquid-cooler-bracket things like NZXT makes, but it doesn't seem like any fit the NITRO+ 480's PCB.

undervolt the card.

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Elite Dangerous, modded Skyrim, Dishonored 2, Dishonored DOTO, DOOM, Shadow of Mordor, Project Cars... why?

you're unlikely to see any real benefit unless you are chasing high refresh rate gaming, the 1070 isn't even any faster in doom.

[Sanctorum]

16 minutes ago, AluminiumTech said:

50% is not significant enough to jump from one 2016 GPU to another. 

A 50% performance increase is not worth £125-140? Are you kidding. That's 50FPS vs 75FPS. 

16 minutes ago, AluminiumTech said:

The 480 is actually a really efficient card in its own right.

It's not as efficient as the GTX 1070 though.

 

4 minutes ago, TrigrH said:

undervolt the card.

you're unlikely to see any real benefit unless you are chasing high refresh rate gaming, the 1070 isn't even any faster in doom.

Lmfao, that's one game that's capped anyway and stupid easy to run so of course there's no benefit. In the other games he's playing though; Project CARS, Skyrim, SoM, and GTA if he plays that. 

 

OP- NITRO 480s are pretty darn good so you should be able to get a decent price for it, GPU prices have been coming down though so you might want to sell soon. You should be able to get £200-220 for 480, add about £100 on top of that and you can get a GTX 1070.

[AlTech]

Just now, Sanctorum said:

A 50% performance increase is not worth £125-140? Are you kidding. That's 50FPS vs 75FPS. 

Come back to me when it's like 50 vs 100 fps for 140 pounds.

Just now, Sanctorum said:

It's not as efficient as the GTX 1070 though.

Yes and? It is still efficient enough for OP. The issue is OP's card is a little bit loud. Efficiency isn't the problem.

Just now, Sanctorum said:

OP- NITRO 480s are pretty darn good so you should be able to get a decent price for it,

You should try to help OP fix the issue rather than force OP to buy a new card.

 

Undervolting the card or potentially adjusting fan profile could work.

 

16 minutes ago, ThinkWithPortals said:

Still produces too much heat/noise in a small case for my liking. What I was also considering was to get one of those GPU-liquid-cooler-bracket things like NZXT makes, but it doesn't seem like any fit the NITRO+ 480's PCB.

Undervolt the card or potentially adjusting the fan profile could work

 

[ThinkWithPortals]

Just now, AluminiumTech said:

The issue is OP's card is a little bit loud.

And hot, don't forget hot.

1 minute ago, AluminiumTech said:

Undervolting the card or potentially adjusting fan profile could work.

For fan profile - been there done that, I've got it pretty much as good as it will get.

For undervolting, I could do, but it's not something Ive ever done before and it seems like it could be time consuming.

3 minutes ago, AluminiumTech said:

You should try to help OP fix the issue rather than force OP to buy a new card.

I've literally said that I'm open to the idea of buying a new card, they're not forcing anything. Right now, you're actually being more forceful than they are.

16 minutes ago, TrigrH said:

undervolt the card.

Considering it. You said you did it before: how easy/time consuming was it?

17 minutes ago, TrigrH said:

you're unlikely to see any real benefit unless you are chasing high refresh rate gaming, the 1070 isn't even any faster in doom.

The performance is secondary here. What I'm really after is a quieter, cooler card, which the 1070 should be. Any performance gain, however slight, is a bonus.

[Sanctorum]

8 minutes ago, AluminiumTech said:

Come back to me when it's like 50 vs 100 fps for 140 pounds.

Um, no you're alright lol. I'm not trying to sell you a GTX 1070. OP is asking for a better GPU, which the GTX 1070 clearly is.

 

9 minutes ago, AluminiumTech said:

Yes and? It is still efficient enough for OP. The issue is OP's card is a little bit loud. Efficiency isn't the problem.

Efficiency is exactly the problem. A less efficient card will produce more heat, and therefore more noise. A GTX 1070 would perform better, as well as run quieter and cooler than an RX 480.

 

10 minutes ago, AluminiumTech said:

You should try to help OP fix the issue rather than force OP to buy a new card.

How am I in anyway forcing OP to buy a GTX 1070? He's literally telling you he wants to buy a GTX 1070 and wants to know if it would be an upgrade over his current card, which it is. 

5 minutes ago, ThinkWithPortals said:

Any performance gain, however slight, is a bonus.

Pretty significant actually. Undervolting your 480 could help reduce temps a bit, but a GTX 1070 is still gonna be a bit quieter/cooler.

[AlTech]

4 minutes ago, Sanctorum said:

 OP is asking for a better GPU, which the GTX 1070 clearly is.

And so is a RX 580 or VEGA 56.

4 minutes ago, Sanctorum said:

Efficiency is exactly the problem. A less efficient card will produce more heat, and therefore more noise. A GTX 1070 would perform better, as well as run quieter and cooler than an RX 480.

Depends on the model of the 480 and the model of the 1070.

4 minutes ago, Sanctorum said:

How am I in anyway forcing OP to buy a GTX 1070? He's literally telling you he wants to buy a GTX 1070 and wants to know if it would be an upgrade over his current card, which it is. 

Well then what is there to discuss? If he wants a 1070 he can go sell his 480 and buy a 1070.

4 minutes ago, Sanctorum said:

 a GTX 1070 is still gonna be a bit quieter/cooler.

Not necessarily.

[PlayStation 2]

40 minutes ago, ThinkWithPortals said:

Elite Dangerous, modded Skyrim, Dishonored 2, Dishonored DOTO, DOOM, Shadow of Mordor, Project Cars... why?

Eh, I'd imagine the 480 is more than fine for all of those.

Not necessarily sure you'd find much out of a 1070.

[Moress]

The 1070 is a cooler/quieter card, but not by that much. While Pascal is a much more efficient architecture, you're also jumping up to a more powerful (And power hungry) chip. If you wanted to see significantly lower heat and power consumption you'd need to go to a 1060-6gb. Which, if you can sell the 480 for a good price you could actually get the 1060 for a net 0, plus your time.

Obviously it would be a side grade, but in your case it may be worth the time

 

4 hours ago, AluminiumTech said:

And so is a RX 580 or VEGA 56.

And they both hot. Especially the 56. You've lost the point of what the OP wants altogether at this point just trying to swing your stick around.

[AlTech]

Just now, Moress said:

And they both hot. Especially the 56. You've lost the point of what the OP wants altogether at this point just trying to swing your stick around.

both of them can remain quiet and/or cool if cooled properly. VEGA 56 isn't that hot of a card. It just consumes quite a bit of power and should be undervolted to mitigate that issue.

[Sanctorum]

2 minutes ago, AluminiumTech said:

And so is a RX 580 or VEGA 56.

RX 580 is not an upgrade from a 480 lmfao, it's literally the same card with some slight tweaks. Vega 56 is SIGNIFICANTLY more expensive than a GTX 1070. 

 

3 minutes ago, AluminiumTech said:

Depends on the model of the 480 and the model of the 1070.

For temperatures and acoustics, sure, but a GTX 1070 is always going to pull less power.

 

4 minutes ago, AluminiumTech said:

Well then what is there to discuss?

Nothing. He asked if the GTX 1070 was a reasonable upgrade from his 480, and it is. You disputed that.

 

5 minutes ago, AluminiumTech said:

Not necessarily.

For the most part though.

[AlTech]

4 minutes ago, Sanctorum said:

RX 580 is not an upgrade from a 480 lmfao, it's literally the same card with some slight tweaks. Vega 56 is SIGNIFICANTLY more expensive than a GTX 1070. 

If you haven't heard. Sapphire realized they could have better made their 480 Nitro cards and thus improved the 580 cards somewhat.

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For temperatures and acoustics, sure, but a GTX 1070 is always going to pull less power.

Actually no. If you want less power then a 1060 is what you need. A 1070 won't use significantly less power if any less power at all.

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Nothing. He asked if the GTX 1070 was a reasonable upgrade from his 480, and it is. You disputed that.

If OP feels the need to upgrade from a 480 to a 1070 then that's OP's problem.

[Moress]

2 minutes ago, AluminiumTech said:

If OP feels the need to upgrade from a 480 to a 1070 then that's OP's problem.

Then why the hell are you even on this thread?

[Sanctorum]

12 minutes ago, AluminiumTech said:

If you haven't heard. Sapphire realized they could have better made their 480 Nitro cards and thus improved the 580 cards somewhat.

That doesn't make the 580 an upgrade. It performs almost exactly the same as an RX 480.

 

13 minutes ago, AluminiumTech said:

Actually no. If you want less power then a 1060 is what you need. A 1070 won't use significantly less power if any less power at all.

Lmfao what are you even talking about. How does a GTX 1070 not use less power than an RX 480 because a 1060 uses less than a 1070? With that logic he might as well get a 1050Ti. The GTX 1070 is less power hungry than a 480.

 

15 minutes ago, AluminiumTech said:

If OP feels the need to upgrade from a 480 to a 1070 then that's OP's problem.

Actually no, it's not "OP's problem."

[Trulop]

@AluminiumTech your being pretty aggressive on whats supposed to be a helpful thread 0,o feedback or suggestions is great, but your obviously only pushing for "team red" when thats not necesarilly the bet alternative.

 

I agree with the 1060 6g as a good side grade card. they actually revamped the 6g model and it performs very well.

As for an upgrade, sure the 1070 would give a bit more performance, and if you know how to undervolt or overclock, it could give you either lower power/more power to fit your needs. It all comes down to what YOU want, and not what WE want. If its worth it to you to upgrade just a bit, go for 1070, if not, 1060 6g is a great alternative. The RX580 isnt a bad card in comparison, but it does run a bit hotter out of the box and just a bit less performance than 1070 cards, and if your going to mess with overclocks and voltages anyways, you can probably get more headroom out of the 1070.