AMD Ryzen 7 1700X/1800X or Ryzen Threadripper 1900X

[carlosmunoz08]

Hi Everyone,

I am looking to buy a PC with gaming and possible some streaming in mind and I am quite torn what CPU to pick. I have been an intel i5 user for the longest time but from what I've read, the new AMD processors have a lot more value for money. So now, I am torn between the AMD Ryzen 7, either 1700x or 1800x against the entry level Threadripper 1900x. Will there be a strong benefit for me to spend more on the entry level Threadripper 1900x or should I just stay on the Ryzen 7 line? Do i really need the 64PCI-E lanes and Quad channel for gaming and casual streaming? What are your thoughts?


Thanks!

Carlos

[johnno124]

3 minutes ago, carlosmunoz08 said:

Hi Everyone,

I am looking to buy a PC with gaming and possible some streaming in mind and I am quite torn what CPU to pick. I have been an intel i5 user for the longest time but from what I've read, the new AMD processors have a lot more value for money. So now, I am torn between the AMD Ryzen 7, either 1700x or 1800x against the entry level Threadripper 1900x. Will there be a strong benefit for me to spend more on the entry level Threadripper 1900x or should I just stay on the Ryzen 7 line? Do i really need the 64PCI-E lanes and Quad channel for gaming and casual streaming? What are your thoughts?


Thanks!

Carlos

IF its just casula streaming you might as well get a Ryzen 5

 

[Phentos]

Threadripper is beyond overkill for your desired usage.

 

The Ryzen 1700 or 1700X are what you should be looking at. The 1700X if you don't want to overclock, or the 1700 if you do.

 

If you are on a tighter budget, then go for the 1600.

[ItsTheDuckAgain]

2 minutes ago, carlosmunoz08 said:

Will there be a strong benefit for me to spend more on the entry level Threadripper 1900x or should I just stay on the Ryzen 7 line?

I would Stick to Ryzen 7 for your used case

 

 

2 minutes ago, carlosmunoz08 said:

What are your thoughts?

No you don't unless you are heavy into mining PCI Lanes are generally no factor to consider

 

2 minutes ago, carlosmunoz08 said:

Do i really need the 64PCI-E lanes and Quad channel for gaming and casual streaming?

 

those above :-)

[carlosmunoz08]

Hi everyone! 


Seems like a consensus! Thanks for the quick reply everyone! So I guess the quad channel won't also be a game changer right?

 

 

Thanks again!

[HZapperz]

Ryzen 1700 has the best value for your build. If you have all the money to spend get a 1800x

[carlosmunoz08]

15 minutes ago, CUDA_Cores said:

Agreed, but there's something you overlooked. 

 

I want you to remember back to when Intel released X58. Back then people said "X58 is completely overkill for gaming, stick with your core 2 quad CPU". Now let's fast forward almost 10 years and X58 is not considered a "good" platform for gaming and streaming. Not great but still usable for said purposes. 

 

If back then you had chosen to buy a core 2 quad instead of jumping on the X58 bandwagon, you probably would've had to perform upgrades by now. If you had jumped on X58 on the other hand, you can buy cheap gen 1 i7 CPUs and overclock them in the used market and take advantage of cheap DDR3. In fact to this day there are still people on X58, but there are very few people still running a core 2 quad based PC today. 

 

What I am saying is today while HEDT platforms seem like overkill, in 5 years they won't be. They will then be about as powerful as the mainstream platforms and with the initial investment, can actually be cheaper over time since you don't have to constantly buy new hardware to get adequate performance. 

 

To OP: Unlike others here I would actually recommend threadripper. The opportunity to upgrade to a 16 core CPU later on will be a valuable asset along with the 8 slots for additional RAM. As long as you hold onto the platform for several years, you will actually spend less in the long run compared to plain old ryzen.

Very well said. Will the price difference today be compensated by the difference in the life of the system. I like that! Something to think about. 

[Cyracus]

12 minutes ago, CUDA_Cores said:

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AMD has committed to supporting the am4 socket until at least 2020, so there'll be 2-3 more am4 cpu generations, when's the last time intel went 3-4 cpu gens on the same socket?

 

OP as stated before get a 1700 and a good cooler if you're willing to do the OC yourself, or get a 1700 if you don't want to overclock yourself, 1800x if that and you just want to throw money at it for speed. 

[Phentos]

29 minutes ago, CUDA_Cores said:

Agreed, but there's something you overlooked. 

 

I want you to remember back to when Intel released X58. Back then people said "X58 is completely overkill for gaming, stick with your core 2 quad CPU". Now let's fast forward almost 10 years and X58 is not considered a "good" platform for gaming and streaming. Not great but still usable for said purposes. 

 

If back then you had chosen to buy a core 2 quad instead of jumping on the X58 bandwagon, you probably would've had to perform upgrades by now. If you had jumped on X58 on the other hand, you can buy cheap gen 1 i7 CPUs and overclock them in the used market and take advantage of cheap DDR3. In fact to this day there are still people on X58, but there are very few people still running a core 2 quad based PC today. 

 

What I am saying is today while HEDT platforms seem like overkill, in 5 years they won't be. They will then be about as powerful as the mainstream platforms and with the initial investment, can actually be cheaper over time since you don't have to constantly buy new hardware to get adequate performance. 

 

To OP: Unlike others here I would actually recommend threadripper. The opportunity to upgrade to a 16 core CPU later on will be a valuable asset along with the 8 slots for additional RAM. As long as you hold onto the platform for several years, you will actually spend less in the long run compared to plain old ryzen.

When AM4 has just as long of a lifespan as TR4, that point is moot. AMD =/= Intel. 

 

If OP were doing heavier workloads like high resolution video editing or daily streaming with high res/bitrate, then sure I'd advise OP to go for Threadripper.

 

But he's not. Therefore AM4 provides the better value. Threadripper's reduced performance in games was not even brought up either.

[Damascus]

I recomend getting either a VERY solid am4 mobo like the asus CH6 and an r5/r6 with Lans to get a zen3 r7 down the line (40% ipc improvement, higher OC)  

 

Or get a 1900X and a top end TR4 board and get a 32c TR4++ in 3 or 4 years with the same improvements as ryzen 3

[carlosmunoz08]

Thanks for the replies everyone. Another question if I do choose to go with Ryzen 7 1700X, what would you say is a good mobo to go along?

[just_dave]

8 minutes ago, carlosmunoz08 said:

Thanks for the replies everyone. Another question if I do choose to go with Ryzen 7 1700X, what would you say is a good mobo to go along?

Asus Prime X370 Pro if you are on budget.

[Damascus]

13 minutes ago, dave_k said:

Asus Prime X370 Pro if you are on budget.

Considering TR4 is an option I'd say the CH6 is worth it to spend the extra for that level of quality over 3-4 years.

[Jon Jon]

I would NOT get an entry level Threadripper for this unless you get the 1950X.

 

I was in the same boat until I learned:

 

1900X = 2 Ryzen 3 Dies strapped together via Infinity Fabric

1920X = 2 Ryzen 5 Dies strapped together via Infinity Fabric

1950X = 2 Ryzen 3 Dies strapped together via Infinity Fabric

 

There are also weird issues you can encounter when gaming, which actually gives you worse performance than if you just got a Ryzen 7.

 

I can run OBS Studio and game with no problems with my OC Ryzen 7 1700.

 

You have 24 lanes with the X370 chipset.

 

In my setup:

 

16 lanes for GPU

4 Lanes for M.2

4 Lanes for Misc. other slots and typical I/O.

 

I will be honest and state that I am unsure of how the remaining are divided up, but I will say that if you aren't running M.2, then you shouldn't be thinking about your PCI-E Lane usage.

[carlosmunoz08]

On 9/22/2017 at 1:17 AM, Jon Jon said:

I would NOT get an entry level Threadripper for this unless you get the 1950X.

 

I was in the same boat until I learned:

 

1900X = 2 Ryzen 3 Dies strapped together via Infinity Fabric

1920X = 2 Ryzen 5 Dies strapped together via Infinity Fabric

1950X = 2 Ryzen 3 Dies strapped together via Infinity Fabric

 

There are also weird issues you can encounter when gaming, which actually gives you worse performance than if you just got a Ryzen 7.

 

I can run OBS Studio and game with no problems with my OC Ryzen 7 1700.

 

You have 24 lanes with the X370 chipset.

 

In my setup:

 

16 lanes for GPU

4 Lanes for M.2

4 Lanes for Misc. other slots and typical I/O.

 

I will be honest and state that I am unsure of how the remaining are divided up, but I will say that if you aren't running M.2, then you shouldn't be thinking about your PCI-E Lane usage.

Okay, honestly i was lost on the dies part. So you reckon i can stream 720p60fps on a stand alone ryzen 1700x? Or should i just get a capture card and use my current i5 rig for the encoding? I'm pretty new to this so forgive me if what I say is inaccurate.

[just_dave]

Just now, carlosmunoz08 said:

Okay, honestly i was lost on the dies part. So you reckon i can stream 720p60fps on a stand alone ryzen 1700x? Or should i just get a capture card and use my current i5 rig for the encoding? I'm pretty new to this so forgive me if what I say is inaccurate.

1700X should be okay even for 1080P60fps streaming

[Jon Jon]

38 minutes ago, carlosmunoz08 said:

Okay, honestly i was lost on the dies part. So you reckon i can stream 720p60fps on a stand alone ryzen 1700x? Or should i just get a capture card and use my current i5 rig for the encoding? I'm pretty new to this so forgive me if what I say is inaccurate.

The Threadripper models are not true 8C, 12C, and 16C CPUs.

 

They are just as stated above, connected via the infinity fabric.

 

It is worth mentioning, that they are in the top 5% of binned dies from each respective class.

 

However, because of this, they have weird issues in gaming and primarily only benefit you if you are using the box solely for content creation (and I would argue, more so as a GPU render farm since the only way I can see you utilizing all 64 PCI-E lanes is to have 4 16X video cards in parallel rendering tasks).

 

There is a "game mode" for Threadripper, which simply disables one of the two dies, but then you are just getting that performance in game to help accomodate for the lack of support for it.

 

So if you got the 1900X, for gaming, it's like you got a Ryzen 3.

 

The 1920X and 1950X are far better since they are two of the best binned Ryzen 5 and Ryzen 7 dies strapped together.

 

I nearly made the SAME decision to go with the 1900X, thinking it was just a true 8C/16T CPU with 64 PCI-E lanes (I was thinking longevitiy), but then once I read about the gaming issues, I decided that the total upfront cost isn't worth it for me as Ryzen 7 with it's full 24 PCI-E lanes on the X370 chipset is plenty for me, especially in terms of longevity.

 

Now, when it comes to capture cards, I will link you to my PSA regarding the Elgato HD 60 Pro:

 

 

However, you need to know that this won't act as a side H.264 encoder. I tried researching that for use with my PLEX server and what not to no avail.

 

I game at ultra wide resolutions, so I understand that I would need to sacrifice that to record with this.

 

You can daisy chain two HDMI cables (one into the card, and then out out to your monitor) if you want to record, but even then, you need to only be outputting the supported resolutions (720P30, 720P60, 1080P30, and 1080P60).

 

I use things like freesync and what not when gaming, so that isn't ideal for me.

 

It's also not beneficial since, an OC'ed Ryzen 7 tears through both without issue

 

Aside from that, it may be wise to toy around with NVIDIA Shadow Play or AMD Re-Live. Those are their respective built in game recording and streaming utilities for the cards.

 

However, where is the fun in that? You are buying an 8C/16T CPU. USE IT!  

 

 

 

 

 

[carlosmunoz08]

6 hours ago, Jon Jon said:

The Threadripper models are not true 8C, 12C, and 16C CPUs.

 

They are just as stated above, connected via the infinity fabric.

 

It is worth mentioning, that they are in the top 5% of binned dies from each respective class.

 

However, because of this, they have weird issues in gaming and primarily only benefit you if you are using the box solely for content creation (and I would argue, more so as a GPU render farm since the only way I can see you utilizing all 64 PCI-E lanes is to have 4 16X video cards in parallel rendering tasks).

 

There is a "game mode" for Threadripper, which simply disables one of the two dies, but then you are just getting that performance in game to help accomodate for the lack of support for it.

 

So if you got the 1900X, for gaming, it's like you got a Ryzen 3.

 

The 1920X and 1950X are far better since they are two of the best binned Ryzen 5 and Ryzen 7 dies strapped together.

 

I nearly made the SAME decision to go with the 1900X, thinking it was just a true 8C/16T CPU with 64 PCI-E lanes (I was thinking longevitiy), but then once I read about the gaming issues, I decided that the total upfront cost isn't worth it for me as Ryzen 7 with it's full 24 PCI-E lanes on the X370 chipset is plenty for me, especially in terms of longevity.

 

Now, when it comes to capture cards, I will link you to my PSA regarding the Elgato HD 60 Pro:

 

 

However, you need to know that this won't act as a side H.264 encoder. I tried researching that for use with my PLEX server and what not to no avail.

 

I game at ultra wide resolutions, so I understand that I would need to sacrifice that to record with this.

 

You can daisy chain two HDMI cables (one into the card, and then out out to your monitor) if you want to record, but even then, you need to only be outputting the supported resolutions (720P30, 720P60, 1080P30, and 1080P60).

 

I use things like freesync and what not when gaming, so that isn't ideal for me.

 

It's also not beneficial since, an OC'ed Ryzen 7 tears through both without issue

 

Aside from that, it may be wise to toy around with NVIDIA Shadow Play or AMD Re-Live. Those are their respective built in game recording and streaming utilities for the cards.

 

However, where is the fun in that? You are buying an 8C/16T CPU. USE IT!  

 

 

 

 

 

Hi Jon,

 

Appreciate the inputs! Thanks!

[carlosmunoz08]

13 hours ago, Jon Jon said:

The Threadripper models are not true 8C, 12C, and 16C CPUs.

 

They are just as stated above, connected via the infinity fabric.

 

It is worth mentioning, that they are in the top 5% of binned dies from each respective class.

 

However, because of this, they have weird issues in gaming and primarily only benefit you if you are using the box solely for content creation (and I would argue, more so as a GPU render farm since the only way I can see you utilizing all 64 PCI-E lanes is to have 4 16X video cards in parallel rendering tasks).

 

There is a "game mode" for Threadripper, which simply disables one of the two dies, but then you are just getting that performance in game to help accomodate for the lack of support for it.

 

So if you got the 1900X, for gaming, it's like you got a Ryzen 3.

 

The 1920X and 1950X are far better since they are two of the best binned Ryzen 5 and Ryzen 7 dies strapped together.

 

I nearly made the SAME decision to go with the 1900X, thinking it was just a true 8C/16T CPU with 64 PCI-E lanes (I was thinking longevitiy), but then once I read about the gaming issues, I decided that the total upfront cost isn't worth it for me as Ryzen 7 with it's full 24 PCI-E lanes on the X370 chipset is plenty for me, especially in terms of longevity.

 

Now, when it comes to capture cards, I will link you to my PSA regarding the Elgato HD 60 Pro:

 

 

However, you need to know that this won't act as a side H.264 encoder. I tried researching that for use with my PLEX server and what not to no avail.

 

I game at ultra wide resolutions, so I understand that I would need to sacrifice that to record with this.

 

You can daisy chain two HDMI cables (one into the card, and then out out to your monitor) if you want to record, but even then, you need to only be outputting the supported resolutions (720P30, 720P60, 1080P30, and 1080P60).

 

I use things like freesync and what not when gaming, so that isn't ideal for me.

 

It's also not beneficial since, an OC'ed Ryzen 7 tears through both without issue

 

Aside from that, it may be wise to toy around with NVIDIA Shadow Play or AMD Re-Live. Those are their respective built in game recording and streaming utilities for the cards.

 

However, where is the fun in that? You are buying an 8C/16T CPU. USE IT!  

 

 

 

 

 

Hi Jon,

 

Appreciate the inputs! Thanks!

[carlosmunoz08]

Hi everyone, I just want to say thanks for sharing your ideas. I'm (most probably) going for the Ryzen 1700x. Again, super thanks to everyone who helped me on this topic

 

Cheers!

[ItsTheDuckAgain]

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