about to go ryzen or wait for Intel?

[Reak]

Hello Linustschtips Community, 

 

basically as the topic title suggest I'm about to go ryzen 5 1600, is it good giving it a go or is Intel about to release sth that I should be waiting for, since I'm not in a hurry. 

 

[Ezzy-525]

I'd just go for Ryzen. Whatever Intel comes up with will still be more expensive.

[rn8686]

Ryzen is perfectly capable now, if it suits you needs then why not? 

[Colexd]

go ahead

[NvidiaIntelAMDLoveTriangle]

Wait for Intel.

[Phentos]

Don't count on Intel to release high end Coffee Lake soon. The chipset meant for it won't be released until holiday season at least. 

Go Ryzen and enjoy life.

[Guest]

Go for the ryzen 5 1600, because coffelake will be more expensive than it looks.

[JoostinOnline]

16 minutes ago, Ezzy-525 said:

I'd just go for Ryzen. Whatever Intel comes up with will still be more expensive.

 

6 minutes ago, TheBeastPC said:

Go for the ryzen 5 1600, because coffelake will be more expensive than it looks.

You don't know that.  It's unlikely that Intel will be raising the prices of all their CPU's.  They've always kept them in the same tier.

 

So I say wait.

[rn8686]

Just now, JoostinOnline said:

You don't know that.  It's unlikely that Intel will be raising the prices of all their CPU's.  They've always kept them in the same tier.

 

So I say wait.

I dont know what? The R5 isnt a capable CPU for gaming? Think you quoted the wrong person m8. 

[JoostinOnline]

Just now, rn8686 said:

I dont know what? The R5 isnt a capable CPU for gaming? Think you quoted the wrong person m8. 

Oops, meant to quote @Ezzy-525.  I don't have my contacts in and I leaned back out.

[stefanDB]

we really have no idea how intel is going to price their new CPUs. If you have a decent PC right now then wait and see, but if you really need an upgrade then go ryzen because I doubt intel is going to completely crush ryzen performance at the same price level

[Ezzy-525]

9 minutes ago, JoostinOnline said:

Oops, meant to quote @Ezzy-525.  I don't have my contacts in and I leaned back out.

 

What I meant is that whatever Intel come up with will usually be more expensive than it's Ryzen equivalent. That's what we've been seeing. Of course I could be wrong and Intel could come back and price match (In terms of dollars to cores/threads) or even undercut Ryzen...but I think we all know that's not going to happen (Current i5 7600k is the same price as the R5 1600x but with two cores less).

 

Intel relies on it being seen as the superior brand (which for a long long long time it has been)...but times they are a changing. For your big box consumers, seeing "Intel i7 processor" sounds like a good deal for them ("well...I've heard of Intel and they're a big company so it must be good")...but for enthusiasts, them simply releasing new products isn't cutting it anymore. Ryzen is kicking their ass on a performance:price ratio. 

 

For my money, I'd go Ryzen. But each to their own.

 

P.S I'm a fanboy of neither and all my P.C's all currently run on Intel chips.

[JoostinOnline]

Just now, Ezzy-525 said:

 

What I meant is that whatever Intel come up with will usually be more expensive than it's Ryzen equivalent. That's what we've been seeing. Of course I could be wrong and Intel could come back and price match or even undercut Ryzen...but I think we all know that's not going to happen.

 

Intel relies on it being seen as the superior brand (which for a long long long time it has been)...but times they are a changing. For your big box consumers, seeing "Intel i7 processor" sounds like a good deal for them ("well...I've heard of Intel and they're a big company so it must be good")...but for enthusiasts, them simply releasing new products isn't cutting it anymore. Ryzen is kicking their ass on a performance:price ratio. 

 

For my money, I'd go Ryzen. But each to their own.

Intel has obviously had technology to beat Ryzen for years.  They just didn't release it because they didn't need to.  If the leaks are true, then the i3's are quad-cores and the i5's are hexacores.  Unless they jack up prices for all their tiers, that will mean for the most part both i3 and i5 CPU's will be better options compared to their Ryzen equivalents.

 

Since the OP isn't in a hurry, it's best to wait a couple months for benchmarks.  I've experienced the pain of buying something right before a superior (but similarly priced) product was released, and I wouldn't wish it on anyone else.  As I said here, I would like it if Coffee Lake was overpriced.  I want AMD to be on top for awhile longer.  I just don't think it will be.

[cj09beira]

am4 will be a platform with a lot better upgrade path (support untill 2020) and will also allow you to move to 8core (maybe more in the future), the boards are cheap and you aren't supporting a company that totally abuses its monopoly position

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[cj09beira]

2 minutes ago, JoostinOnline said:

Intel has obviously had technology to beat Ryzen for years.  They just didn't release it because they didn't need to.  If the leaks are true, then the i3's are quad-cores and the i5's are hexacores.  Unless they jack up prices for all their tiers, that will mean for the most part both i3 and i5 CPU's will be better options compared to their Ryzen equivalents.

 

Since the OP isn't in a hurry, it's best to wait a couple months for benchmarks.  I've experienced the pain of buying something right before a superior (but similarly priced) product was released, and I wouldn't wish it on anyone else.  As I said here, I would like it if Coffee Lake was overpriced.  I want AMD to be on top for awhile longer.  I just don't think it will be.

only the i7 will have multitreading though which will probably mean that for the money ryzen will be more powerful

[JoostinOnline]

Just now, cj09beira said:

only the i7 will have multitreading though which will probably mean that for the money ryzen will be more powerful

We'll see.  As it is, the Ryzen hexa-cores aren't that much better than the i5 quad-cores.  As I've said, wait for benchmarks.

[zelange]

so if i resume:

 

i can go with a ryzen 1700x and mobo for around 500 $ now OR wait the 8700k (that leak tend to point a price  $380) with a Z370 mobo( hopping the starting price is not 250$)

 

i think i will wait, just in case. But ryzen appeal me, can't wait for the benchmark.

[PhaseShift]

1 hour ago, JoostinOnline said:

Intel has obviously had technology to beat Ryzen for years.  They just didn't release it because they didn't need to.  If the leaks are true, then the i3's are quad-cores and the i5's are hexacores.  Unless they jack up prices for all their tiers, that will mean for the most part both i3 and i5 CPU's will be better options compared to their Ryzen equivalents.

 

Since the OP isn't in a hurry, it's best to wait a couple months for benchmarks.  I've experienced the pain of buying something right before a superior (but similarly priced) product was released, and I wouldn't wish it on anyone else.  As I said here, I would like it if Coffee Lake was overpriced.  I want AMD to be on top for awhile longer.  I just don't think it will be.

I don't think intel have had that technology for years, because kaby lake.... Surely intel knew that the r5 1600 would just slaughter their entire line up save for the i7 that people use to get really high fps numbers, so if they had anything like coffee lake ready they would have released it instead of kaby lake(which imo is a terrible product). Also we only have specs so we can't know if coffee lake cpus will be better performers than their ryzen counterparts.

[JoostinOnline]

Just now, PhaseShift said:

I don't think intel have had that technology for years, because kaby lake.... Surely intel knew that the r5 1600 would just slaughter their entire line up save for the i7 that people use to get really high fps numbers, so if they had anything like coffee lake ready they would have released it instead of kaby lake(which imo is a terrible product). Also we only have specs so we can't know if coffee lake cpus will be better performers than their ryzen counterparts.

Ryzen doesn't slaughter their lineup.  It matches and sometimes beats it.  Kaby Lake isn't a terrible product either.  It's just a slightly improved Skylake.  Just like Skylake was a slightly improved Haswell.  They've had no reason to release anything better.  With no real competition, they could make the most money by releasing almost the same thing over and over.

 

There is no way they could have gone from Skylake to Coffee Lake in the space of two years.  Development for that big of a leap takes longer.  The fact that they announced it just a few months after Ryzen means they had already done all the R&D work.

[PhaseShift]

23 minutes ago, JoostinOnline said:

Ryzen doesn't slaughter their lineup.  It matches and sometimes beats it.  Kaby Lake isn't a terrible product either.  It's just a slightly improved Skylake.  Just like Skylake was a slightly improved Haswell.  They've had no reason to release anything better.  With no real competition, they could make the most money by releasing almost the same thing over and over.

 

There is no way they could have gone from Skylake to Coffee Lake in the space of two years.  Development for that big of a leap takes longer.  The fact that they announced it just a few months after Ryzen means they had already done all the R&D work.

I agree with the no competition point and the fact that intel must have been working on coffee lake before ryzen came out. I'm saying that if they had something completely ready they wouldn't have release kaby lake instead (considering also that kaby lake might not even last 12 months before coffee lake comes out). And when you look at the situation right now the r5 1600 is really destroying the i5 line up and the r3 1200 similarly beats the i3 line up.

 

Disclaimer: I have always been an intel user so i'm not hating on them it just seems like ryzen is offering better value accross the board right now.

[JoostinOnline]

29 minutes ago, PhaseShift said:

I agree with the no competition point and the fact that intel must have been working on coffee lake before ryzen came out. I'm saying that if they had something completely ready they wouldn't have release kaby lake instead (considering also that kaby lake might not even last 12 months before coffee lake comes out). And when you look at the situation right now the r5 1600 is really destroying the i5 line up and the r3 1200 similarly beats the i3 line up.

 

Disclaimer: I have always been an intel user so i'm not hating on them it just seems like ryzen is offering better value accross the board right now.

It takes time to manufacture CPU's.  Even if they knew about Ryzen before it was publicly announced, they still would have had a bunch of Kaby Lake chips already made.