RX Vega 56 & 64 are HERE! Are they HOT or NOT?

[Emily Young]

AMD's new RX Vega graphics cards have FINALLY arrived, but can they live up to the hype, or are they just hot air?

Buy the RX Vega 64:
On Amazon: http://geni.us/0n1e
On Newegg: http://geni.us/7ULL

 

Buy the RX Vega 64 Liquid Cooled:

On Amazon: TBD - Not up yet

On Newegg: http://geni.us/hxKwQnc

 

Or buy a GTX 1080 instead:
On Amazon: http://geni.us/2aGtkL
On Newegg: http://geni.us/JNF3MX

 

Buy the RX Vega 56:
On Amazon: TBD - Not up yet
On Newegg: TBD - Not up yet

 

Or buy a GTX 1070 instead:
On Amazon: http://geni.us/dm9F
On Newegg: http://geni.us/dTvORQR

[Sakkura]

TL;DR Vega 64 pretty meh, Vega 56 pretty nice.

[ProjectBox153]

Please let this put a stop to the GTX 10xx or Vega threads!

[Lurick]

2 minutes ago, Jamiec1130 said:

Please let this put a stop to the GTX 10xx or Vega threads!

Create more threads you said?!?

 

CREATE ALL THE THREADS!!!!!1!!

[EnergyEclipse]

8 minutes ago, GabenJr said:

-snip-

Its, its, ...so beautiful!

I think I need a tissue please someone,

 

HA LEL 980ti FTW

[Ezzy-525]

Just now, Lurick said:

Create more threads you said?!?

 

CREATE ALL THE THREADS!!!!!1!!

More cores, more threads. It's the way of the world!

[Billy_Mays]

Its too good for now 

 

 

WTF there $900 for Vega 64

[Lurick]

1 hour ago, Jamiec1130 said:

Please let this put a stop to the GTX 10xx or Vega threads!

LOL

Looks like there are tons of threads about stock availability now

[TacoSenpai]

So is Linus going to drop Vega like its....hot?

[LienusLateTips]

FUCK

 

 

that is lets say some shit results

[Daniel644]

1080p benchmarks running at stock settings, yeah thats how you tell which card is the best card. the only good thing about those charts is how it showed how meaningless it is to get a Ryzen CPU for 1080p gaming (since CPU becomes less important as resolution increases) maybe try actually overclocking the cards and increasing the fan curves so it doesn't thermal throttle so badly, I don't care if the clocks are higher then stated boost clock, allowing the GPU to intentionally limit performance due to heat that can be gotten rid of by increasing the fan speed is by definition thermal throttling.

[Simple_Canadian]

2 hours ago, JDE said:

FUCK

 

 

that is lets say some shit results

You're EVERYWHERE!

[AnonymousGuy]

So basically it's a flop.  Would have been mediocre if it released a year ago, but releasing now it's shit.  And you can't even look at value since it's never going to be in stock anyways.

[Daniel644]

33 minutes ago, AnonymousGuy said:

So basically it's a flop.  Would have been mediocre if it released a year ago, but releasing now it's shit.  And you can't even look at value since it's never going to be in stock anyways.

good for increasing the hashrate per rig for miners as it's basically double the hashrate of any other card, but as far as gaming goes, not worth it, as seen in Kyle's (BitWit) video, when all cards are overclocked the freaking 1070 kicks the Vega 64's backside in most games, Gotta be honest, didn't see that coming.

[LeapFrogMasterRace]

Since Pascal is just Maxwell on a new node this is pretty disappointing not to mention the power drawl. I didn't really think it was going to be good but jeez. I have been predicting the Navi launch will be pretty interesting though. 

[Raggou]

5 hours ago, Lurick said:

Create more threads you said?!?

 

CREATE ALL THE THREADS!!!!!1!!

Lol NO DONT ENCOURAGE THEM!

[Dash Lambda]

"Poor Volta" indeed...

 

This does make me wonder, though. If this card is so much better for compute workloads, why is it so underwhelming in gaming? What does gaming not use properly?

[Daniel644]

51 minutes ago, Dash Lambda said:

"Poor Volta" indeed...

 

This does make me wonder, though. If this card is so much better for compute workloads, why is it so underwhelming in gaming? What does gaming not use properly?

I think you mean to ask why did AMD work so much at making these great compute work horses instead of gaming work horses?

 

But thats AMD for you, it's simply what they do, they find one thing that works really well and they base everything around that, all else be damned, we've seen it time and time again on there CPU's pushing for higher core counts instead of better speed like we see with Ryzen and higher core counts where secondary cores where nerfed as shit with the FX processors, it's a simple fact, if you want to undercut the competition you HAVE to find some way to keep the costs down, Ryzen is winning in most things thanks to it's core count allowing it to do so many more things at once, but they get there asses handed to them in other aspects as exampled by the test bench benchmarks in this video where the 1800x system fell flat on it's face compared to the Intel system with ALL 4 cards, thats why whenever considering what hardware you will buy you need to consider what you need it to do because AMD vs Intel or Nvidia depends completely on what you are doing, if you are just mining then AMD GPU's win hands down, if you are gaming ONLY Intel CPU's win hands down, if you are gaming and streaming AMD makes more sense, you really just gotta research what is best for your application.

[Exprima]

Eyyy I was in that intro. Line up for autographs, folks. On the real tho while I'm happy I went with a 1080 Ti it's nice to see Vega 56 be very competitive with the 1070.

[Dash Lambda]

22 minutes ago, Daniel644 said:

-snip-

That doesn't really answer my question though.

The Level1Techs review made the point that AMD cards are known to age a lot better, I wonder if Vega will be another case where performance improves significantly over time...

 

Also, I wouldn't say the Ryzen chip 'falls flat on its face'. Its results are worse across the board, but there are only a few charts where it falls way behind. Though it does surprise me that it shows no real advantage with DX12, I always thought that was supposed to make better use of cores.

[dragoon20005]

Day 1 driver are always know to be bad

 

give it a month or 2 and you will see the performance gap close between the GTX 1070 and GTX 1080 for the RX Vega 56 and Vega 64 GPUs

 

but the f***ing issue is that miners are still able to snap up all the stocks of RX Vega 64 cards from every store which i know will have the GPUs.

 

and they buy not just 2 or 3 GPUs but 6 GPU!!! in one go

 

the prices in Asia is 999 dollars for one reference RX Vega 64 but that isnt stopping miners in their tracks

[Nicnac]

I know a lot of people probably don't care about this but would you guys mind doing a folding@home benchmark on these? Would be quite interesting for me and a small circle of others here I think

@LinusTech @Slick

[System Error Message]

AMD's focus on compute fills a void left by nvidia when they cripple consumer cards. This gives a good price to people who do things that make use of compute, like CAD for instance. Not everyone needs that much vram or even ECC, many workloads simply take some minutes, finish and continue the cycle.

[Daniel644]

5 hours ago, dragoon20005 said:

Day 1 driver are always know to be bad

 

give it a month or 2 and you will see the performance gap close between the GTX 1070 and GTX 1080 for the RX Vega 56 and Vega 64 GPUs

 

but the f***ing issue is that miners are still able to snap up all the stocks of RX Vega 64 cards from every store which i know will have the GPUs.

 

and they buy not just 2 or 3 GPUs but 6 GPU!!! in one go

 

the prices in Asia is 999 dollars for one reference RX Vega 64 but that isnt stopping miners in their tracks

EVERYTIME, like clock work, first it's "Wait for Vega", now it's "Wait for Drivers", they've had the better part of a YEAR to get there drivers straight, look at how long ago they where showing off Vega, they had demos at CES which was over 8 MONTHS AGO, are you telling me they haven't fixed there drivers in 8 months?

2 hours ago, System Error Message said:

AMD's focus on compute fills a void left by nvidia when they cripple consumer cards. This gives a good price to people who do things that make use of compute, like CAD for instance. Not everyone needs that much vram or even ECC, many workloads simply take some minutes, finish and continue the cycle.

First people complained that the Frontier Edition is "not a gaming card", now the GAMING CARDS come and they are all like "it's good for more then gaming", well then whats the point of the frontier edition or releasing GAMING cards at all using the Vega architecture, if the purpose is raw compute performance why market them as gaming cards?

 

Just saying the mental gymnastics AMD people jump through to make up for the card failing in it's marketed use scenario is funny to me, can you guys just admit defeat in the purpose the card was designed for instead of saying, "yeah well it does this other thing really really well" and just ignore the gaming numbers like they don't mean anything at all.

[System Error Message]

1 hour ago, Daniel644 said:

 

Just saying the mental gymnastics AMD people jump through to make up for the card failing in it's marketed use scenario is funny to me, can you guys just admit defeat in the purpose the card was designed for instead of saying, "yeah well it does this other thing really really well" and just ignore the gaming numbers like they don't mean anything at all.

vega FE has double the vram, more driver choices such as dedicated compute or workstation firepro drivers. Firepro has more vram and ECC though, so the cards have their places. If you were going to consider a gtx 1070 instead of a titan for your workstation or compute needs that basically means budget performance, different from getting a budget quadro or firepro. AMD has brought compute to the low end for quite a while, giving you 4 tiers to choose from if doing professional or compute work. Budget pro card, budget performance card, workstation performance card and pro performance cards. Im not sure if AMD has mid end firepro cards though like quadro has. Its very similar to choice with nvidia but with a big twist - budget card (gtx cards), budget pro cards, workstation class cards (like titans), pro performance cards. Both brands have server cards too. So unlike nvidia AMD doesnt strip anything from their gaming cards making them a budget choice for professional workloads that require performance but not the drivers, extra vram or even ECC or perhaps the display features the pro cards offer whereas on the same level from nvidia, the cards dont really perform well at compute or professional work or even CAD compared to their AMD equivalent as its not only the DFP and HFP that nvidia nerfs but also the bus and cache too.

 

So even though AMD didnt win in gaming for this generation, they still provided to the market something that nvidia didnt fill since they strip their gaming cards.