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AMD Radeon RX Vega 56 leaked benchmarks: GTX 1070 killer

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AMD Radeon RX Vega 56: the new $400 mainstream king

 

AMD announced their new Radeon RX Vega 64 and RX Vega 56 graphics cards, but didn't provide too many details about benchmark numbers in games - but I've got the solution to that.
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An industry source of mine has provided me with some raw benchmark numbers on Radeon RX Vega 56, which looks to be the new $400 mainstream king, beating the GTX 1070 in some of the biggest games on the market. My source said that the RX Vega 56 card was running on an Intel Core i7-7700K @ 4.2GHz, had 16GB of DDR4-3000MHz RAM, and was running Windows 10.   The benchmarks were run at 2560x1440 with the AMD Radeon RX Vega 56 easily beating NVIDIA's GeForce GTX 1070 in Battlefield 1, DOOM, Civilization 6, and even Call of Duty: Infinite Warfare. My source said that Battlefield 1 was run on Ultra settings, Civ 6 was on Ultra with 4x MSAA, DOOM was at Ultra with 8x TSAA enabled, and COD:IW was running on its High preset.  

Radeon RX Vega 56 benchmark results:

 

Battlefield 1: 95.4FPS (GTX 1070: 72.2FPS)

Civilization 6: 85.1FPS (GTX 1070: 72.2FPS)

DOOM: 101.2FPS (GTX 1070: 84.6FPS)

COD:IW: 99.9FPS (GTX 1070: 92.1FPS)

 

As you can see, the Radeon RX Vega 56 is quite the potent monster at $399... where it not only trades blows with the GeForce GTX 1070, but slaps it around considerably. It looks like we can expect the RX Vega 56 to be a huge 32% faster than the GTX 1070 in BF1 at 1440p.   DOOM results are also interesting, with AMD taking a commanding 20% lead over the GTX 1070 with the RX Vega 56.   We will have the cards in our hands as soon as humanly possible, where I'll be taking the RX Vega 56 and RX Vega 64 through their paces.

 

too good to be true?

 

Source: http://www.tweaktown.com/news/58635/amd-radeon-rx-vega-56-leaked-benchmarks-gtx-1070-killer/index.html

 

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How much power does it use? I mean when I volt mod nvidia cards they loose all the fancy thermal and power control and end up sucking as much power, but that's expected, I think AMD VEGA is for the hardcore game who wants raw muscle power, and I love it for that. 

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too good to be true?

It sure is. I highly doubt it's close to the truth, maybe in DOOM but not in every other game... It's the level of performance I'd expect from a Vega 64 GPU.

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Just now, Morgan MLGman said:

 

 

It sure is. I highly doubt it's close to the truth, maybe in DOOM but not in every other game... It's the level of performance I'd expect from a Vega 64 GPU.

The RX Vega chips are more powerful then the Frontier edition, have better power management and also better drivers, so it's understandable you'd see a possible like 15% perofrmnace boost, which would bring them up to GTX 1070 for the 56 and GTX 1080 level for the 64, but they would use more power. 

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4 minutes ago, Lord Nicoll said:

The RX Vega chips are more powerful then the Frontier edition, have better power management and also better drivers, so it's understandable you'd see a possible like 15% perofrmnace boost, which would bring them up to GTX 1070 for the 56 and GTX 1080 level for the 64, but they would use more power. 

They're not more powerful than FE, it's the same chip (Vega 56 is a cut-down version). They're just optimized for gaming as that's the target audience of those cards so I could expect higher performance in games, however have a look at this:

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Radeon RX Vega 56 benchmark results:

Battlefield 1: 95.4FPS (GTX 1070: 72.2FPS)

Civilization 6: 85.1FPS (GTX 1070: 72.2FPS)

DOOM: 101.2FPS (GTX 1070: 84.6FPS)

COD:IW: 99.9FPS (GTX 1070: 92.1FPS)

Those scores would make the Vega 56 around a 1080 in performance (comparing relatively to what 1070 scored in those games and how much the 1080 is faster than a 1070) which I doubt is going to be true. Though I certainly do have hope! ^_^

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Considering gtx 1070 costs $450, rx vega 56 has approximately 30% more performance/$, which is cool.

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DOOM FPS seems low to me. I'll assume it's not Vulkan (Getting 20-30 more FPS on an RX 480 with everything maxed out)

nvm. didn't notice resolution tested.

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if you look at fury vs fury x perf you will see that many times its perf is very similar

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1 minute ago, revsilverspine said:

DOOM FPS seems low to me. I'll assume it's not Vulkan (Getting 20-30 more FPS on an RX 480 with everything maxed out)

it depends on where it was tested 

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8 minutes ago, Morgan MLGman said:

They're not more powerful than FE, it's the same chip (Vega 56 is a cut-down version). They're just optimized for gaming as that's the target audience of those cards so I could expect higher performance in games, however have a look at this:

 

 

 

Those scores would make the Vega 56 around a 1080 in performance (comparing relatively to what 1070 scored in those games and how much the 1080 is faster than a 1070) which I doubt is going to be true. Though I certainly do have hope! ^_^

It's not the same chip, the Frontier Edition had some gaming centric units disabled in order to ship Vega in the 2nd Quarter. The Frontier edition is missing Tile Based Rasterization, while it's difficult to gauge the impact this would have, it would be application dependant. 

edit: I should note that TBR can be sort of enabled by driver updates but it won't be entirely the same, and when I say different silicon chip, I mean the stepping process and yields, the actual design is probably unchanged

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1 minute ago, cj09beira said:

it depends on where it was tested 

I edited it. I assumed it was 1080p, which it isn't.

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11 minutes ago, Morgan MLGman said:

 

 

It sure is. I highly doubt it's close to the truth, maybe in DOOM but not in every other game... It's the level of performance I'd expect from a Vega 64 GPU.

If this is true, I wonder if the driver they used had this enabled (unlike the Vega FE)

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OMG OMG if this is real!

 

 

The RX 64 must be at least close or equal to the 1080 Ti, the liquid cooled at least .-.

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6 minutes ago, Lord Nicoll said:

It's not the same chip, the Frontier Edition had some gaming centric units disabled in order to ship Vega in the 2nd Quarter. The Frontier edition is missing Tile Based Rasterization, while it's difficult to gauge the impact this would have, it would be application dependant. 

I think it is the same chip. What AMD said was that some new features like Tile Based Rasterizer and Power saving Optimizations were not enabled because they weren't ready.

 

So once RX vega ships expect Vega FE to get a small boost from the new drivers.

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Just now, Humbug said:

I think it is the same chip. What AMD said was that some new features like Tile Based Rasterizer and Power saving Optimizations were not enabled because they weren't ready.

 

So once RX vega ships expect Vega FE to get a small boost from the new drivers.

Note the edit I made, the stepping has changed, as in yields are better and it's made better, it IS the same design, but a few tiny revisions where made, probably relating to native TBR instead of the driver workout Frontier will be using when they work it out. The native one is still better, as its got some more support components. 

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its probably not a new stepping, although since they had working silicon since January, they could have pulled of a new stepping.

my guess is that it needs driver and firmware support, so they disabled it to get the product out earlier 

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2 minutes ago, Lord Nicoll said:

Note the edit I made, the stepping has changed, as in yields are better and it's made better, it IS the same design, but a few tiny revisions where made, probably relating to native TBR instead of the driver workout Frontier will be using when they work it out. The native one is still better, as its got some more support components. 

is it really a new stepping? where did you saw that info?

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Just now, cj09beira said:

is it really a new stepping? where did you saw that info?

Due to NDA's it isn't confirmed, but rumoured, however they usually have many different models, the fact they have as 56 unit chip now too means they've added more silicon, I doubt you'd get to 100% confirm the new stepping and what it's called. 

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Just now, Lord Nicoll said:

Due to NDA's it isn't confirmed, but rumoured, however they usually have many different models, the fact they have as 56 unit chip now too means they've added more silicon, I doubt you'd get to 100% confirm the new stepping and what it's called. 

the 56 cus ship is the same silicon with disabled cores, which is something done in the gpu's bios 

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the the GTX1070 numbers are pulled out of AMD's ass

some peeps on reddit got the more realistic GTX1070 numbers:

yeah ...

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20 minutes ago, Lord Nicoll said:

edit: I should note that TBR can be sort of enabled by driver updates but it won't be entirely the same, and when I say different silicon chip, I mean the stepping process and yields, the actual design is probably unchanged

Yes it will be enabled by driver updates, cause Vega FE already has the required hardware.

So then why won't TBR be entirely the same? What difference do you expect between TBR on Vega Rx vs TBR on Vega FE

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5 minutes ago, cj09beira said:

the 56 cus ship is the same silicon with disabled cores, which is something done in the gpu's bios 

No, that isn't, they're tested at the foundry and any less than 64 quality chips would be taken, tested, and, even though maybe one unit is dysfunctional, have the required 8 lasered off the die, as they can cause serious issues if they're present and defective. 

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It would be a shame if here in 3 to 4 months Volta kills it......

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1 minute ago, Humbug said:

Yes it will be enabled by driver updates, cause Vega FE already has the required hardware.

So then why won't TBR be entirely the same? What difference do you expect between TBR on Vega Rx vs TBR on Vega FE

immediate mode rasterization is currently in use, it's unclear if the chips have bad TBR or if the drivers weren't ready and it can be fully implemented in time, if it isn't I'd be worried, but by no means surprised, after all, the FE was clearly a rushed launch. 

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14 minutes ago, zMeul said:

the the GTX1070 numbers are pulled out of AMD's ass

some peeps on reddit got the more realistic GTX1070 numbers:

yeah ...

To be fair they're not coming from AMD and instead the author's "industry source". Either way yeah, I'm going to wait for the actual release before I really believe anything I see. With that said I can the V56 overshadowing V64 just like the 290 did to the 290X on launch but we will see. 

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