AMD vs Intel Computer Build Help?!?!?

[Sleep_e_]

Hello!  I'm not too sure if this is the right place to come for help building my 2nd computer.  I have very basic knowledge on computer components and how they fit/work together, but I'm not completely up to date with the tech of today.  Last time I built a computer was in 2012 with less-quality parts (let's not talk about my current build), with a $750 budget.  I am 19 years old, and have a reasonably good income for my age and I am really frustrated with the quality of performance of gaming/video editing/music production with my current build.  

With the new Ryzen CPU's and Intel's i7-7700k, I know that the Ryzen has better performance for streamers/any production but has a smaller (almost negligible difference) avg. FPS in games.  Since I'm new to the new stuff, a 2nd-Xth opinion would really help me ease my heart with the decisions I'm making for a computer to last me for the next ~4-5 years.  I am also planning on dual-booting this as a Hackintosh at some point in time.  I am an iPhone user, but would not like to spend ~1700 on an iMac that I can't use much else but music/video production.  

 I am looking to spend around $1700-$1900 on a complete set-up (Monitor, keyboard, mouse, computer).  

 

I do plan on overclocking whichever CPU I get, along with my GPU as well, hence the water-cooling GPU and CPU.  Here are my lists for both AMD and Intel:

AMD:https://pcpartpicker.com/user/Zefira/saved/wqszyc

     CPU: Ryzen 7 - 1800X

     CPU Cooler: Corsair H100i v2

     Mobo: ASRock - X370 Killer SLI/ac

     Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series DDR4-3000 16GB (2 x 8GB)

     Storage: ADATA - ULTIMATE SU800 512GB SSD

                   Hitachi - Ultrastar 7K3000 2TB HDD

     GPU: Gigabyte - Geforce GTX 1080 Xtreme Water-Cooling

     PSU: Rosewill - PHOTON 650W 

     Case: Fractal Design - Focus G

     Monitor: AOC - G2770PQU

     Keyboard: Corsair Strafe MS Silent

     Mouse: Corsair Strafe RGB

     OS: Windows 10 Pro

          Total Price (PcPartPicker): $1955.62

Intel: https://pcpartpicker.com/user/Zefira/saved/gtHwP6  

     CPU: Intel i7-7700k

     CPU Cooler: Corsair H100i v2

     Mobo: ASRock - Z270 Killer SLI/ac

     Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series DDR4-3000 16GB (2 x 8GB)

     Storage: ADATA - ULTIMATE SU800 512GB SSD

                   Hitachi - Ultrastar 7K3000 2TB HDD

     GPU: Gigabyte - Geforce GTX 1080 Xtreme Water-Cooling

     PSU: Rosewill - PHOTON 650W 

     Case: Fractal Design - Focus G

     Monitor: AOC - G2770PQU

     Keyboard: Corsair Strafe MS Silent

     Mouse: Corsair Strafe RGB

     OS: Windows 10 Pro

          Total Price (PcPartPicker): $1833.41

 

The builds are basically the same besides the CPU and Mobo.  I just know that I want a GTX 1080 at least.  This is not only for gaming but for music/video production as well.  Out of the two builds, which would you all think is best for my specific scenario?  Any input would help!  

[Colin Donoghue]

on the ryzen system change the cpu to a 1700 you can oc it to 1800x performance and switch the gpu

to the 1080ti

 

and the ryzen system is a better build for what you are doing.

[yathis]

Looks good

 

I'd suggest you learn how to format a post properly.

 

If you got the money then 1800X is the way to go. Do not skimp on the mobo either.

There are savings to be had by going to a Ryzen 1700, but dont worry about if money is not an issue.

Your 1800X will last longer.

 

Remember that usage pattern dictates whether you go Ryzen or Intel.

More gaming = Intel

Video Encoding and such = Ryzen

[Zyndo]

5 minutes ago, Sleep_e_ said:

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If you're after a 144hz 1080p gaming experience, get the 7700k. as good as Ryzen is for most people right now, it simply doesn't hold a candle to the 7700k in this regard. If you have the additional funds, I would also recommend going with a 1080ti instead of a 1080 in order to milk every last frame out of your monitor, as 144hz is a tall order in graphically intensive games even for a gtx 1080.

[yathis]

Those are expensive frames

 

1 minute ago, Zyndo said:

in order to milk every last frame

 

[SpaceGhostC2C]

7 minutes ago, Sleep_e_ said:

 

With the new Ryzen CPU's and Intel's i7-7700k, I know that the Ryzen has better performance for streamers/any production but has a smaller (almost negligible difference) avg. FPS in games.  Since I'm new to the new stuff, a 2nd-Xth opinion would really help me ease my heart with the decisions I'm making for a computer to last me for the next ~4-5 years.

I would start by monitoring your current system while you do what you do: do the programs you use benefit from all available cores, or do you typically see usages in line with 1-2 cores loaded? In principle, your 1800x vs 7700K assessment seems correct, but there are "production" programs that still run in a few cores only.

7 minutes ago, Sleep_e_ said:

 I am also planning on dual-booting this as a Hackintosh at some point in time.

 

That is much more tricky. You are typically limited to hardware that Apple uses for their computers, or similar enough in order to fool their OS into installing (i.e., it has to see your hardware as compatible). I think currently that means going Intel, and not even any random Intel, but only certain models. If this is important to you, I would triple-check other people's experiences and advice before pulling the trigger on any build.

[Zyndo]

3 minutes ago, yathis said:

Those are expensive frames

You certainly don't have to if you don't want to. twas just a recommendation. its your money, you can decide what is worth it to you and what is not.

[knightslugger]

15 minutes ago, Sleep_e_ said:

music/video production

Ryzen, hands down.

[JoostinOnline]

Made some changes to the AMD build:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 7 1700 3.0GHz 8-Core Processor  ($269.99 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Corsair - H100i v2 70.7 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: MSI - B350M GAMING PRO Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($78.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: Corsair - Vengeance LPX 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory  ($132.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: ADATA - Ultimate SU800 512GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($136.69 @ Amazon)
Storage: Hitachi - Ultrastar 7K3000 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($49.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: EVGA - GeForce GTX 1080 Ti 11GB SC2 Video Card  ($729.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Fractal Design - Focus G (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case  ($49.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: Rosewill - 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($71.99 @ Amazon)
Keyboard: Corsair - STRAFE MX Silent Wired Gaming Keyboard  ($79.99 @ Corsair)
Mouse: Corsair - Sabre RGB Wired Optical Mouse  ($39.99 @ Amazon)
Other: Windows 10 Pro 64-bit ($27.00)
Other: AOC G2770PQU ($106.00)
Total: $1873.59
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-07-17 14:59 EDT-0400

Faster memory, new motherboard to support it, a 1080 Ti, and an R7 1700 instead.  The only reason to get an 1800X is if you just can't be bothered with overclocking.

 

Keep in mind that you won't be able to use Hackintosh with AMD.  You probably won't even be able to with Intel.  And that's even if you can manage getting it to install alongside Windows.  Mac OS isn't exactly known for its compatibility.

[JoostinOnline]

Personally, I don't think it's worth sacrificing performance to get a little more flexibility with your iPhone.

[Colin Donoghue]

just go with a 1700 because you can use the savings somewhere else

 

[Sleep_e_]

Just now, JoostinOnline said:

Personally, I don't think it's worth sacrificing performance on the chance that you'll get a little more flexibility with your iPhone.

I do not want to trade performance for flexibility, but if the option for both is performance and compatibility are there I would like to have both things available

[JoostinOnline]

Just now, Sleep_e_ said:

I do not want to trade performance for flexibility, but if the option for both is performance and compatibility are there I would like to have both things available

Understandable.  But I definitely think you should go for the modified Ryzen build.  I added notes on what I changed.

[knightslugger]

LOL i've never gotten my C16 sticks beyond 2933MHz.

[JoostinOnline]

2 minutes ago, knightslugger said:

LOL i've never gotten my C16 sticks beyond 2933MHz.

You need to look at the Qualified Vendors List on a motherboard support page to see what RAM is definitely supported.  The one he had only supported models up to 3000MHz.  The one I changed it to supported several 3200MHz models, which I changed it to.

 

Edit: Open this page, click Compatibility, and sort the RAM by RAM Speed.

[Guest]

3 hours ago, yathis said:

Looks good

 

I'd suggest you learn how to format a post properly.

 

If you got the money then 1800X is the way to go. Do not skimp on the mobo either.

There are savings to be had by going to a Ryzen 1700, but dont worry about if money is not an issue.

Your 1800X will last longer.

 

Remember that usage pattern dictates whether you go Ryzen or Intel.

More gaming = Intel

Video Encoding and such = Ryzen

The 1800X will last longer than the 1700 ? How do you figure that out ? The only difference is clock speed which can be pretty much negated by overclocking. 

[knightslugger]

28 minutes ago, lee32uk said:

The 1800X will last longer than the 1700 ? How do you figure that out ? The only difference is clock speed which can be pretty much negated by overclocking. 

The difference here it's that the 1800x doesn't need voltage to get there whereas the 1700 most certainly does.

[Guest]

28 minutes ago, knightslugger said:

The difference here it's that the 1800x doesn't need voltage to get there whereas the 1700 most certainly does.

So ? The R7 1700 has a lower base voltage to start with, and a lower TDP. When overclocked it is going to be pretty much the same as the 1800X.

[yathis]

1 hour ago, lee32uk said:

overclocking

uh huh

[Guest]

9 hours ago, yathis said:

uh huh

What is that supposed to mean ?

[knightslugger]

13 hours ago, lee32uk said:

So ? The R7 1700 has a lower base voltage to start with, and a lower TDP. When overclocked it is going to be pretty much the same as the 1800X.

and believe me, the R7 is sensitive to how much voltage you give it. But you're right, WHEN OVERCLOCKED it's basically an 1800X (without XFR).

 

just don't expect it to last long with the required voltage to get there... and no, it's not the same voltage an 1800X sees. it's more. A lot more. and no, it wont last long. how long? 6 years? 3  years? no no.. try a month. maybe two.

 

Ask me how i know.

[Guest]

1 hour ago, knightslugger said:

and believe me, the R7 is sensitive to how much voltage you give it. But you're right, WHEN OVERCLOCKED it's basically an 1800X (without XFR).

 

just don't expect it to last long with the required voltage to get there... and no, it's not the same voltage an 1800X sees. it's more. A lot more. and no, it wont last long. how long? 6 years? 3  years? no no.. try a month. maybe two.

 

Ask me how i know.

As long as you follow an overclocking guide etc then you will be fine. The op has selected a good cooler and X370 board on his Ryzen spec so there is no reason not to overclock. The R7 1700 has XFR as well, although not as much boost as the 1700X and 1800X.

 

The Kitguru review of the 1700 and 1800X shows very similar voltages when overclocked using the same board and cooler.

 

https://www.kitguru.net/components/cpu/luke-hill/amd-ryzen-7-1700-cpu-review/2/

https://www.kitguru.net/components/cpu/luke-hill/amd-ryzen-7-1800x-cpu-review/3/

 

 

[Sleep_e_]

If it were any of your best guesses, which would be best for a little bit of both?

On 7/17/2017 at 6:54 PM, lee32uk said:

More gaming = Intel

Video Encoding and such = Ryzen

 

My current comp. is as an AMD build (FX-8350, Gigabyte HD 7850).  I have a strong stigma against AMD because they've always been "baby brother" of Intel in basically all aspects.  So I'd like to stay away from AMD, but it it's still a strong option to me.  

 

Let's just go with gaming:editing/production = 3:1.

 

Now, I only play games like Overwatch and CS:GO, but I'd really like to start playing Rainbow Six, Battlefield, and other immersive games alike.

I do not use, by any means, good video/photo editing software but I am somewhat knowledgeable with Photoshop and Premiere because I had to use those programs throughout High School on dummy expensive computers (went to many govt. schools with a dummy budget for computer sciences).  I do plan on using Adobe photoshop a bit, along with Premiere (if I can't make this a dual-boot hackintosh).  

 

Would you guys think that Ryzen would benefit me more in my case?  

[knightslugger]

7 minutes ago, Sleep_e_ said:

If it were any of your best guesses, which would be best for a little bit of both?

 

My current comp. is as an AMD build (FX-8350, Gigabyte HD 7850).  I have a strong stigma against AMD because they've always been "baby brother" of Intel in basically all aspects.  So I'd like to stay away from AMD, but it it's still a strong option to me.  

 

Let's just go with gaming:editing/production = 3:1.

 

Now, I only play games like Overwatch and CS:GO, but I'd really like to start playing Rainbow Six, Battlefield, and other immersive games alike.

I do not use, by any means, good video/photo editing software but I am somewhat knowledgeable with Photoshop and Premiere because I had to use those programs throughout High School on dummy expensive computers (went to many govt. schools with a dummy budget for computer sciences).  I do plan on using Adobe photoshop a bit, along with Premiere (if I can't make this a dual-boot hackintosh).  

 

Would you guys think that Ryzen would benefit me more in my case?  

7700k

[Guest]

19 minutes ago, Sleep_e_ said:

If it were any of your best guesses, which would be best for a little bit of both?

 

My current comp. is as an AMD build (FX-8350, Gigabyte HD 7850).  I have a strong stigma against AMD because they've always been "baby brother" of Intel in basically all aspects.  So I'd like to stay away from AMD, but it it's still a strong option to me.  

 

Let's just go with gaming:editing/production = 3:1.

 

Now, I only play games like Overwatch and CS:GO, but I'd really like to start playing Rainbow Six, Battlefield, and other immersive games alike.

I do not use, by any means, good video/photo editing software but I am somewhat knowledgeable with Photoshop and Premiere because I had to use those programs throughout High School on dummy expensive computers (went to many govt. schools with a dummy budget for computer sciences).  I do plan on using Adobe photoshop a bit, along with Premiere (if I can't make this a dual-boot hackintosh).  

 

Would you guys think that Ryzen would benefit me more in my case?  

The i7 will be quicker for 1080p gaming so if you plan on sticking with that resolution for a good while then go with the 7700K.