Britain's brand new aircraft carrier runs on ... XP

[bcguru9384]

3 hours ago, lilbman said:

Ehh.

 

No offense my man but I'm pretty sure the British government and the people they hire know a hell of a lot more about IT and about hacking aircraft carriers than you do.  Most military systems run off of XP for a reason.

for the 16 bit compatibility

plus xp take a few gbytes space while vista and newer take 10's of gbytes

harddrives cost??? 

[Taf the Ghost]

Some nuclear launch systems work on floppies.  If they work, they work.  If the system is properly networked (or lack there of), it's not that much of an issue.

 

Mind you, they should have been on custom linux installs, but it's government contracting.

[79wjd]

1 hour ago, mynameisjuan said:

Thats my point, they shouldnt be. But this world is full of idiots that will do things before thinking about the consequences. A single USB hot spot or compromised devices like a laptop or even a smart phone connecting to the LAN networking, somehow, can cause an issue. 

Unless the network administrator of the carrier was a literal retard (in which case running the most secure OS in the world wouldn't help) that wouldn't be a concern. You would NEVER put mission critical devices on the same network as someone's personal laptop or phone. 

[MorganO]

3 hours ago, Ezzy-525 said:

Wouldn't have gotten out of drydock with Vista.

you out of the planning stage

[Trixanity]

I doubt things like ship controls and weapons systems run on XP anyway (ie anything vital to the ship's operation). Can you imagine it locking up because of a virus scan in the middle of a battle?

 

I'd wager they don't even use application processors (meaning XP doesn't work) but instead use real-time processors kinda like cars do. 

 

I don't think communications would run on XP either. 

 

So I'm not sure what they would actually use XP for. Perhaps archiving, logs, some military applications I'm unaware of, secure email on select machines perhaps.

[Centurius]

2 hours ago, mynameisjuan said:

Thats my point, they shouldnt be. But this world is full of idiots that will do things before thinking about the consequences. A single USB hot spot or compromised devices like a laptop or even a smart phone connecting to the LAN networking, somehow, can cause an issue. 

Any kind of ship control system isn't on a network you can plug something into. That's running on its own closed network(s)(It seems unlikely even things like navigation and flight operations are networked to each other). At best you'd be able to compromise the network for crewmembers when they are off duty and all that would accomplish is making their porn load slower. USB hot spots in general are no danger unless you know of some amazing wifi tech that doesn't have a horrible range like literally every hotspot I've ever worked with.

[Coaxialgamer]

4 hours ago, mynameisjuan said:

This isnt about it being broke. This is a security hole...a major one at that. 

XP is only unsafe if you connect to the internet with it , which this won't be.

Plus , Ms can provide security updates to any organisation needing it - for a fee of course.

[Zando_]

3 hours ago, Thony said:

They obviously dont want a random update in the middle of a mission

Sir! The defense systems are down! It seems we have an update, and it's almost - never mind, it crashed at 99%! We're all dead!

[Johnnyboyhogg]

Their will be no WAN connection to most ship systems and Network Access on ship will be highly restricted even for personal devices especially during a deployment 

[Teddy07]

How lame. It isn't even fun to hack XP. Just joking I am just learning to program

[dfsdfgfkjsefoiqzemnd]

7 minutes ago, Johnnyboyhogg said:

no WAN connection

No WAN?  What do they watch there then?  Awesome Hardware?*  Level1 News?

 

* = aka "the bald and the stupidful"

 

[Johnnyboyhogg]

1 minute ago, Captain Chaos said:

No WAN?  What do they watch there then?  Awesome Hardware?*  Level1 News?

 

* = aka "the bald and the stupidful"

Wide area network aka Internet connectivity 

[Guest lilbman]

7 hours ago, mynameisjuan said:

The fact is some dumbass on the carrier will attempt to connect it. 

 

[Huuskari]

Didn't read the thread, but:

1) militaries work in their own closed ecosystem. 

2) Those machines aren't going to be connected to Internet and only few of them are even connected to the militarys network

3) The OS militaries use are vastly different compared to the ones made for civilian use

[camohiddendj]

10 hours ago, Prysin said:

only if you connect it to the internet.....

Try telling that to Iran... https://www.wired.com/2014/11/countdown-to-zero-day-stuxnet/

 

Even air gapped systems get hacked.

[79wjd]

46 minutes ago, camohiddendj said:

Try telling that to Iran... https://www.wired.com/2014/11/countdown-to-zero-day-stuxnet/

 

Even air gapped systems get hacked.

I like how you quoted the first half his post and completely disregarded the second part which said EXACTLY that. 

 

10 hours ago, Prysin said:

only if you connect it to the internet.....

 

if you got access to hardware, not a single fucking system in the world is safe. 

 

[NumLock21]

11 hours ago, NvidiaIntelAMDLoveTriangle said:

Thank God, it's not running Vista, or it would've been at the bottom of the ocean already.

 

Impossible due to UAC

[SCHISCHKA]

11 hours ago, Captain Chaos said:

So to those saying that "if you don't want ransomware etc you should just update to Windows 10", this should indicate that it isn't always that easy.  I'm fairly confident that it's not the price of some Win10 licenses that's stopping them from upgrading.

on the topic of licenses. Britain you do not own the software required to run your modern navy; A US corporation does.

[ARikozuM]

5 minutes ago, SCHISCHKA said:

on the topic of licenses. Britain you do not own the software required to run your modern navy; A US corporation does.

So, they can't conquer the US even if they wanted to?

[SCHISCHKA]

7 hours ago, Trixanity said:

So I'm not sure what they would actually use XP for. Perhaps archiving, logs, some military applications I'm unaware of, secure email on select machines perhaps.

a lot of ships in transport have email servers and satelite based internet, just to navigate. There are a lot of human-machine-interface computers that run windows XP in engineering, so that includes hydraulics controls. Computers will be needed in the navy just to aim their guns so I think a Windows XP application would be cheaper than dedicated hardware. They had dedicated machines computers for artillery going back a pretty long time, which is where the word computer comes from

[SCHISCHKA]

1 minute ago, ARikozuM said:

So, they can't conquer the US even if they wanted to?

Well the more you learn about MS relationship with the US government the more concerned you will be about how much ownership & control a nation really has when their infrastructure is running MS products. The PRISM program & Snowden should be turned into a holywood movie so the plebs out there can learn about it.

from wikipedia's article in PRISM:

Quote

The documents identified several technology companies as participants in the PRISM program, including Microsoft in 2007, Yahoo! in 2008, Google in 2009, Facebook in 2009, Paltalk in 2009, YouTube in 2010, AOL in 2011, Skype in 2011 and Apple in 2012.^[22] The speaker's notes in the briefing document reviewed by The Washington Post indicated that "98 percent of PRISM production is based on Yahoo, Google, and Microsoft"

 

[Bleedingyamato]

12 hours ago, Oshino Shinobu said:

Tell that to the NHS. 

I really hope a military vessel doesn't get a malware STD...

 

"You want your ship back?  Give me Bitcoin!"  ?

[ARikozuM]

Just now, Bleedingyamato said:

I really hope a military vessel doesn't get a malware STD...

 

"You want your ship back?  Give me Bitcoin!"  ?

Apparently, if Britain does invade someone and Microsoft intervenes, BAM!, instant watermarks over everything. Radar blip? It's a watermark! Want to fire your guns? Please activate Windows! 

They'll have to row their big-a## boat back across the pond.

26 minutes ago, SCHISCHKA said:

on the topic of licenses. Britain you do not own the software required to run your modern navy; A US corporation does.

 

[Bleedingyamato]

1 minute ago, ARikozuM said:

Apparently, if Britain does invade someone and Microsoft intervenes, BAM!, instant watermarks over everything. Radar blip? It's a watermark! Want to fire your guns? Please activate Windows! 

They'll have to row their big-a## boat back across the pond.

 

Row row row your boat gently down the toilet.  ?

[SCHISCHKA]

25 minutes ago, huilun02 said:

You really think cost of an OS is an issue when they making an aircraft carrier? 

well every time there is an election they do strip budgets to pay for their election bribes. USA's nuclear program apparently still uses those giant floppy disks