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40 minutes ago, JohnyTheCarrot said:

I have experience doing UWP Software Development in C#.

So in other words... not a great deal then :ph34r:

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Just now, Nuluvius said:

So in other words... not a great deal then :ph34r:

Maybe that's just his C# experience. 

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@Nuluvius

Yah my bad, im human. And make often mistakes :)

Quote or mention me if not feel ignored 

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9 hours ago, Cruorzy said:

@Nuluvius

Yah my bad, im human. And make often mistakes :)

I don't really get what you mean by that. Care to elaborate? 

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i'm currently building a game as well so i won't have time, but if you want advice or something feel free to message me (i've built 3 games so far all really shitty)

 

If its your first game and your working in a group i advise getting documentation sorted on standards, ideas and things like that, it'll stop possible fights and people implementing the wrong thing in the wrong way.

Best of luck

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So many comments... Not gonna quote any one,.. but  you know the term "Freelancer???" 

 

People that do work for Experience !!!  Something that common , when you want to have portfolio and apply to job!! 

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20 hours ago, keavlar said:

you know the term "Freelancer???" 

Freelance doesn't mean "free". Freelancing just means you are a "free agent" so to speak, and aren't tied to a company. The average pay for actual freelance programmers is something like $50-$100 an hour, depending on experience and location. Definitely not free.

 

Though I don't think it's harmful to say "hey we have this project and are looking for people who have time to give. We can't pay, but we will help you get some experience if you are a college student or someone just looking for experience."

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15 hours ago, reniat said:

The average pay for actual freelance programmers is something like $50-$100 an hour, depending on experience and location.

That's a joke, I wouldn't get out of bed for that! It's between £300 to in excess of £1K here.

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20 minutes ago, Nuluvius said:

It's between £300 to in excess of £1K here.

an hour!?!? at 40 hours a week you'd be a millionaire in less than a year!

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Just now, reniat said:

an hour!?!? at 40 hours a week you'd be a millionaire in less than a year!

Well once you deduct actual living costs, a bit longer... and that is surprising to you. I'm honestly surprised that you are surprised by that O.o

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Add me to the list of "I can't provide the time, but I wish you good luck!"

I'm also in the boat that thinks your scope is too big for what your collective skill-level is. That said, at least you recognize that failure is indeed, an option. Would be interested to see how this shapes up.

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1 minute ago, Nuluvius said:

Well once you deduct actual living costs, a bit longer... and that is surprising to you. I'm honestly surprised that you are surprised by that O.o

Sounds like I need to get into freelancing lol. If you normalize my salary for living cost (I live in a SUPER cheap part of the midwest), I make about 6 figures, which is on par or above my peers here in the states (peers being people who are < 3 years out of college). If I were to go to the coast and "make it big" without getting into management, I'd probably be look to double or triple that. No where near millionaire status.

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6 minutes ago, reniat said:

Sounds like I need to get into freelancing lol.

It's certainly provides a nice lifestyle but one must be mindful of the disadvantages and risks that come with the territory. You are responsible for doing your own tax, what happens between contracts, what happens if the contract goes bad, what happens when you get sick or want a holiday and then add dependants to the equation (family and/or other employees or sub contractors).

 

In all honestly though I'd choose working for myself over working for someone else every time.

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2 minutes ago, Nuluvius said:

It's certainly provides a nice lifestyle but one must be mindful of the disadvantages and risks that come with the territory. You are responsible for doing your own tax, what happens between contracts, what happens if the contract goes bad, what happens when you get sick or want a holiday and then add a dependants to the equation (family and/or other employees or sub contractors).

 

In all honestly though I'd choose working for myself over working for someone else every time.

That still feels like an insane amount of money, but I can see how there are definitely trade-offs. I honestly don't think I could work for myself like that. I'm happy being a small cog in a big wheel, as long as I get paid enough to fund my awful pc hardware addiction and get chances to learn new things and grow as a developer. Though this is getting extremely off-topic for this thread lol

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9 minutes ago, reniat said:

Though this is getting extremely off-topic for this thread lol

Agreed, though this thread was stillborn imo.

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On 2017-6-18 at 10:08 AM, keavlar said:

So many comments... Not gonna quote any one,.. but  you know the term "Freelancer???" 

 

You don't, that's for sure. Freelancer doesn't mean you do it for free.

11 hours ago, Nuluvius said:

Well once you deduct actual living costs, a bit longer... and that is surprising to you. I'm honestly surprised that you are surprised by that O.o

$300 per hour? Good luck with that. Idk how it works in your country, but the minmum salary here in euro's is around 1200,-. thats about 1300-1400 dollar. If i would get 300$ an hour and work around 30 hours a week for 4 weeks a month, i would make $36000. which is €32000+ Count me in on that one :)

 

OT: I have to admit with @M.Yurizaki on a lot of things, as a gamedeveloper myself, i can confirm it's better to start of small instead of big. The project is less likely to fail. And yea it will be a learning expierence, but so will smaller projects be. You'll learn more out of a small project that has a somewhat okay result, rather than a big project where you end up with nothing at all. But by all means, good luck. i do hope it becomes a great game. Keep us op to date!

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2 hours ago, sgzUk74r3T3BCGmRJ said:

The problem we have to address now, is getting from ~$115,000 USD up to $750,000 USD to $2,600,000 USD per year in order to square with the claim that £300-1000/hour is 'average' for a contract developer. It seems unlikely that the average contract developer anywhere is getting paid better than than the average NFL or NHL players player. Likewise, it seems unlikely that an average contract developer in the UK is earning a salary equivalent to 4-15 American doctors but I'm open to being wrong.

Well the lower end is believable. If you're at least 10 years into the business

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4 hours ago, sgzUk74r3T3BCGmRJ said:

If you take the Stack Overflow survey as a representative then salaries in the UK are also about 1/2 of what you'd typically see in the USA. The claim that the typical UK contractor is making 5-20x more than the typical American programmer is going to require some evidence so lets see what we can turn up:

 

A Google search for "UK software contract job" pulls up some popular websites offering 6-month contracts with daily salaries of around that between £250 and £500. That seems reasonably consistent with the Stack Overflow survey that puts UK developers at a significant financial disadvantage to their counterparts across the ocean (around $50k USD/year vs around $100k USD/year).

 

At the same time we'd expect the typical contractor to be pulling down more than an average 9-5 programmer just because there's a lot less security in that line of work. Those websites might be 'crappy contracts' so lets be skeptical. Rates of 2-3x what a normal salaried employee charge is typical for the industry and if the typical UK developer is earning around 50k then we'd expect a contractor to be closer to 100k. There are websites that claim to know average salaries that put contract developers in the UK at £93k/year or something pretty close to what a typical middle-experience 9-5 programmer in the USA is pulling down. That's in line with expectations.


The problem we have to address now, is getting from ~$115,000 USD up to $750,000 USD to $2,600,000 USD per year in order to square with the claim that £300-1000/hour is 'average' for a contract developer. It seems unlikely that the average contract developer anywhere is getting paid better than than the average NFL or NHL players player. Likewise, it seems unlikely that an average contract developer in the UK is earning a salary equivalent to 4-15 American doctors but I'm open to being wrong.

 

£1000 or roughly $1300 USD an hour is certainly possible as a contracting rate but I'd bet it's rare and not "the average". I'm not too concerned about being off by 50-100% because we might have different experiences. A claim that publicly available information is wrong by an order of magnitude requires some explanation to be taken seriously.

 

Can we get some evidence that goes against what my quick googling turned up? We're not looking for specifics here, just averages so any reasonably popular website offering £2500/day contracts would be a good start. Maybe some newspaper articles about how the 10s of thousands of of millionaire contractors out there? I'm not sure what you'd offer but anything would be better than a bald assertion.

It is well known that UK programmers will come stateside for better money. I have heard of some outrageous contractor fees, but it is certainly not the norm.

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