My friend wants to game on 4k

[EstGamer]

Hello!

 

My friend wants to buy 4k monitor, but he has old 4core AMD cpu and gtx 750 ti 1gb, also some old 8gb ram (possibly ddr2). He also games and said it should not do too bad in 4k games if he decreases video settings. I have tried to say that it's more worth to build decent new desktop with 1080p or 1440p monitor instead of just buying 4k monitor. What do you think about that or his wish?

 

Thank you!

[EstGamer]

Btw! I do not know his budget.

[RadiatingLight]

That shit will never work on a 4K monitor.

 

manually force 4K resolution on his games, and show him that FPS goes to shit. there's no way 4K gaming is achievable on something less than an RX 480/1060 6GB / GTX 970.

Basically, if the card's not at least VR ready, there's no fucking way it can go 4K. even RX 480s and GTX 1060s can't really game at 4K, even with all settings down.

[Bazilias]

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i7-7700K 4.2GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($329.49 @ OutletPC) 
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master - Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler  ($26.88 @ OutletPC) 
Motherboard: MSI - Z270-A PRO ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($109.49 @ SuperBiiz) 
Memory: Team - T-Force / Night Hawk 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($104.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: Mushkin - Chronos 240GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($84.88 @ OutletPC) 
Storage: Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($48.44 @ OutletPC) 
Video Card: Gigabyte - GeForce GTX 1080 Ti 11GB Gaming OC 11G  Video Card  ($683.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Case: Phanteks - ECLIPSE P400 ATX Mid Tower Case  ($59.99 @ Newegg) 
Power Supply: SeaSonic - S12II 620W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply  ($47.78 @ SuperBiiz) 
Total: $1495.93
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-06-02 03:41 EDT-0400

[EstGamer]

Just now, RadiatingLight said:

That shit will never work on a 4K monitor.

 

manually force 4K resolution on his games, and show him that FPS goes to shit. there's no way 4K gaming is achievable on something less than an RX 480/1060 6GB / GTX 970.

Basically, if the card's not at least VR ready, there's no fucking way it can go 4K. even RX 480s and GTX 1060s can't really game at 4K, even with all settings down.

That is what I've tried to say. I've send him comprasions of fps with rx480 and gtx 160 on different resolutions and a same about gtx 1080, that has even troubles with achieving average fps of 60 in some games without decreasing video settings.

[RadiatingLight]

Just now, EstGamer said:

That is what I've tried to say. I've send him comprasions of fps with rx480 and gtx 160 on different resolutions and a same about gtx 1080, that has even troubles with achieving average fps of 60 in some games without decreasing video settings.

That's why you can increase display resolution to 4K manually, and then show him how games will run.

Just go into NVidia control panel, manually set resolution, and have him launch a game.

[EstGamer]

1 minute ago, RaptorCandy said:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i7-7700K 4.2GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($329.49 @ OutletPC) 
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master - Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler  ($26.88 @ OutletPC) 
Motherboard: MSI - Z270-A PRO ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($109.49 @ SuperBiiz) 
Memory: Team - T-Force / Night Hawk 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($104.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: Mushkin - Chronos 240GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($84.88 @ OutletPC) 
Storage: Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($48.44 @ OutletPC) 
Video Card: Gigabyte - GeForce GTX 1080 Ti 11GB Gaming OC 11G  Video Card  ($683.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Case: Phanteks - ECLIPSE P400 ATX Mid Tower Case  ($59.99 @ Newegg) 
Power Supply: SeaSonic - S12II 620W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply  ($47.78 @ SuperBiiz) 
Total: $1495.93
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-06-02 03:41 EDT-0400

Thank you! I will use this as example where he has also to invest to have decent experience on 4k.

[EstGamer]

Just now, RadiatingLight said:

That's why you can increase display resolution to 4K manually, and then show him how games will run.

Just go into NVidia control panel, manually set resolution, and have him launch a game.

Thank you for that suggestion, its helpful. 4k monitors are also expensive, which is money wasted withou capable hardware.

[Nils3D]

Another estonian here?, wow i'm not alone  
Dont bother yourself with that case, he'll end up anyways in the local shop

[RadiatingLight]

4 minutes ago, RaptorCandy said:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i7-7700K 4.2GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($329.49 @ OutletPC) 
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master - Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler  ($26.88 @ OutletPC) 
Motherboard: MSI - Z270-A PRO ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($109.49 @ SuperBiiz) 
Memory: Team - T-Force / Night Hawk 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($104.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: Mushkin - Chronos 240GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($84.88 @ OutletPC) 
Storage: Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($48.44 @ OutletPC) 
Video Card: Gigabyte - GeForce GTX 1080 Ti 11GB Gaming OC 11G  Video Card  ($683.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Case: Phanteks - ECLIPSE P400 ATX Mid Tower Case  ($59.99 @ Newegg) 
Power Supply: SeaSonic - S12II 620W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply  ($47.78 @ SuperBiiz) 
Total: $1495.93
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-06-02 03:41 EDT-0400

 

2 minutes ago, EstGamer said:

Thank you! I will use this as example where he has also to invest to have decent experience on 4k.

 

 

Just note, that if you aren't building in the very near future, you should get a new list.

parts lists get obsolete very fast.

I'd also personally recommend the R5 1600, but whatever, the i7 works too.

[rn8686]

Will not be able to game at all, not even at low settings. Will likely need to spend around $1200 to get anything decent for 4K + monitor. 4K is nice, but not alot of difference between 1440p and 4K, that is fine as is. 

[EstGamer]

Just now, Nils3D said:

Another estonian here?, wow i'm not alone  
Dont bother yourself with that case, he'll end up anyways in the local shop

Haha yes I just don't wish him to make decision he will later regret. 

[Bazilias]

Just now, RadiatingLight said:

Just note, that if you aren't building in the very near future, you should get a new list.

parts lists get obsolete very fast.

I'd also personally recommend the R5 1600, but whatever, the i7 works too.

Just wanted to mention that as well. The Ryzen 5 1600 is very capable of running games at 4K and editing etc which also makes the build a bit cheaper.

[EstGamer]

1 minute ago, RadiatingLight said:

 

 

 

Just note, that if you aren't building in the very near future, you should get a new list.

parts lists get obsolete very fast.

I'd also personally recommend the R5 1600, but whatever, the i7 works too.

I know, I'm usually pretty up to date with pc tech I just wanted this forum honest opinion.

[EstGamer]

2 minutes ago, rn8686 said:

Will not be able to game at all, not even at low settings. Will likely need to spend around $1200 to get anything decent for 4K + monitor. 4K is nice, but not alot of difference between 1440p and 4K, that is fine as is. 

That is true.

[Bazilias]

1 minute ago, EstGamer said:

I know, I'm usually pretty up to date with pc tech I just wanted this forum honest opinion.

You can show him the build with the i7 7700K or this one with Ryzen 5 1600, it will be cheaper. https://pcpartpicker.com/list/w7CZ3F

[PatrickK]

 

Just now, EstGamer said:

That is true.

This seems like a stupid dicision. He isn't even able to run every game right now on high, let alone 4k. Whats the point of going to 4K and decreasing the video settings anyway? Next to the fact that this still won't work for his build, 4K on extreme low settings will look a lot worse than 1080p on high settings.

[EstGamer]

2 minutes ago, RaptorCandy said:

Just wanted to mention that as well. The Ryzen 5 1600 is very capable of running games at 4K and editing etc which also makes the build a bit cheaper.

Thank. Ryzens seem to have decent performace to price ratio.

[RadiatingLight]

Just now, EstGamer said:

I know, I'm usually pretty up to date with pc tech I just wanted this forum honest opinion.

Yep. you could even show him this forum post. nobody in their right mind would give a 750Ti a GO for 4K gaming.

I wouldn't even give an RX 480, GTX 1060, or GTX 980 the green light. 1070/980Ti would be the minimum, but even then it would definitely be a stretch. settings would have to be at medium/low

[Ordinarily_Greater]

Just now, EstGamer said:

Thank. Ryzens seem to have decent performace to price ratio.

Yes, but maybe you are going to target high frequency RAM for boosting Ryzen

[EstGamer]

Just now, PatrickK said:

 

This seems like a stupid dicision. He isn't even able to run every game right now on high, let alone 4k. Whats the point of going to 4K and decreasing the video settings anyway? Next to the fact that this still won't work for his build, 4K on extreme low settings will look a lot worse than 1080p on high settings.

That is the point I've tried to make, I hope it works. I told 1080p and 1440p with decent fps is better than 4k on worse fps

[Mooshi]

Your friend would fit right at home in the dealing with non-techies thread, no offense.

[mariushm]

Hmm... a single frame at 4 K ( 3840x2160 x 4 bytes per pixel ) is about 32 MB .. and the card needs to have about 3-4 such frames constantly in it, so from the start about 1-200 MB of the 1 GB memory would be useless.  How much texture data and stuff would a game store in about 7-800 MB ?

 

Up until a few months ago I could still play most games at 1080p or 1920x1200 with my 7770 Ghz edition card (with low-medium quality settings), but games like the new DOOM were almost unplayable.

 

At 4K that's basically "very low" quality presets. Not worth it. He should just play at 1080p and let the monitor resize the 1080p to 4K and pretend he's playing 4K.

 

 

[EstGamer]

3 minutes ago, Mooshi said:

Your friend would fit right at home in the dealing with non-techies thread, no offense.

It's alright. Not everybody is pc tech wise, but my knowledge is decent enough and that's ehy I think he has lot better options and that 4k monitor is worthless buy without decent hardware that could use its potential.

[Ordinarily_Greater]

9 minutes ago, EstGamer said:

That is the point I've tried to make, I hope it works. I told 1080p and 1440p with decent fps is better than 4k on worse fps

It's true, why would you want vivid display while the movements of it are worse than a less mesmerizing display (1080p)?