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[The Sloth]

Just now, DrMacintosh said:

Wrong

 

The CPU will lower back the clock speed to prevent itself from overheating. 

 

How can the machine be overheating if it is throttling down to prevent itself from overheating? 

 

over 100c is not overheating? 

[DrMacintosh]

Just now, lilbman said:

TBH that's kind of sad.

Well Apple hasnt coded the drivers for it. I don't know if they will but it does not really matter to me at least. 

 

My MBP does not have a dGPU nor do I have a desire to run Windows 10 on anything I don't have to. 

[Guest lilbman]

5 minutes ago, DrMacintosh said:

As BS as that sounds

Usually, when a person says something sounds like BS, the person that called it BS doesn't believe the statement.

 

 

[NSDUO]

Wow 4 pages of 2016 MacBook Pro fighting

[DrMacintosh]

3 minutes ago, nerdslayer1 said:

over 100c is not overheating? 

If the CPU is rated to operate over that temperature then no, it is not overheating. Thats just heating. 

 

Find the specs of the CPU inside the machines and if the CPU is rated to run at under 100C I will admit that the machines overheat. 

[The Sloth]

Just now, NSDUO said:

Wow 4 pages of 2016 MacBook Pro fighting

its over 

[DrMacintosh]

1 minute ago, lilbman said:

Usually, when a person says something sounds like BS, the person that called it BS doesn't believe the statement.

 

 

I do not agree with how Apple prioritizes cooling. They go for silence 1st. That is what I said BS to. 

[Guest lilbman]

3 minutes ago, DrMacintosh said:

I was not saying your claim that it got hot was bs. Nor did I accuse you of lying. 

 

Keep studying!

Well, by saying the following 'as BS as that sounds' you effectively call it BS.  

 

What do you mean by keep studying?  I have a Juris Doctors degree, I've wasted enough of my damn time studying.

[DrMacintosh]

2 minutes ago, lilbman said:

What do you mean by keep studying?

You took my sentence out of context and applied it to yourself

 

You assumed that I said your claim was bs, but in the context of the whole quote I was commenting on the methodology behind how Apple Cools their machines. 

 

If I wanted to say your claim was BS I would have did it at the beginning of the reply. 

[The Sloth]

11 minutes ago, NSDUO said:

Ok. Thinkpad or xps 13

op you got your answer, abort the thread. 

[Guest lilbman]

2 minutes ago, DrMacintosh said:

I do not agree with how Apple prioritizes cooling. They go for silence 1st. That is what I said BS to. 

Yet you recommend a machine that is known for its heat, and because the heat is not properly dispersed, it can shorten the product's life span.

[DrMacintosh]

Just now, lilbman said:

Yet you recommend a machine that is known for its heat, and because the heat is not properly dispersed, it can shorten the product's life span.

Sure we'll go with that.....

 

 

[Guest lilbman]

3 minutes ago, DrMacintosh said:

You took my sentence out of context and applied it to yourself

 

You assumed that I said your claim was bs, but in the context of the whole quote I was commenting on the methodology behind how Apple Cools their machines. 

 

If I wanted to say your claim was BS I would have did it at the beginning of the reply. 

 

15 minutes ago, DrMacintosh said:

It can handle it. 

 

Does the machine shut down because of thermal instability? As BS as that sounds unless it does that the computer is not overheating. 

 

The Machine becomes warm because the logic board is set to ramp up the fans only when it needs to. It will run as quietly and as passively as possible before turning the fans up.  

You didn't give much context to the original statement.  As it stands, without the later added information, you make it sound like my claim was BS, but this is besides the point.

 

The point is that you are recommending a product that shortens the life span of itself by not being able to disperse heat properly.

 

My suggestion is the XPS 13 or 15. 

[DrMacintosh]

6 minutes ago, lilbman said:

a product that shortens the life span of itself by not being able to disperse heat properly

The machine can dissipate heat properly, it just does not dissipate it with a lawn mower until it has to to keep the machine alive. 

 

If you feel that the extra exposure to heat that all the components are designed to operate under will cause the machine to die before its reasonable expected life span (maximum 8 years in my opinion) then be my guest. 

 

Heat does shorten the lifespan of components, but by how much is neither entirely know or relevant since most machines are replaced within 6 to 8 years. Unless the heat shortens the lifespan below that mark, I don't care and neither should anyone else.  

[Zando_]

1 hour ago, lilbman said:

I'd bet money that the Razer Blade stays cooler than a 2016 MBP.

Maybe, though I've heard they have overheating issues as well. 

[DrMacintosh]

2 hours ago, nerdslayer1 said:

its over 

Actually I found this video while sitting on the can which seems to go pretty contrary to some of the stuff you have been saying 

 

 

[Pendragon]

3 hours ago, NSDUO said:

Wow 4 pages of 2016 MacBook Pro fighting

more like 1 fan boy vs rest of common sense. 

 

Btw, you should get the LAST GEN Xps13 with the 6560U. The HD540 keeps up well above the HD620 and is only beaten by the HD640 found in more MUCH MORE expensive machines. http://www.ebay.com/itm/2016-DELL-XPS-13-9350-6TH-GEN-I7-6560U-16GB-512GB-SSD-INFINITY-QHD-TOUCH-10-PRO-/331843064696?hash=item4d43635378:g:Bw4AAOSwoydWp5av#viTabs_0

 

something like that with original dell warranty still intact for another 6 months.

 

also dongles are shit. you forget your dongle that ONE time and your facebook machine turns into a chromebook. Literally impossible to transfer files on the car with like an abundance of hard drives, all you can do is sit afk, wait till there is wifi, UPLOAD the file on whatever device you have, and then download it again on your macbook pro. now imagine that was a huge file for business or school and you're on a time crunch. well gg. good job. you played yourself. literally seen it happen way too many times and I've seen some business partners say fuck it within 4 days of testing a new work machine replacement. the workarounds ARE there. the punishment of not having your dongle is too damn high. 

 

thing also barely connects to the tb3 docks my company tried to setup because apple has this bullshit tb3 protection built in that stop alot of external tb3 devices to gain access. literally unusable in a corporate setting. maybe in creative it's fine, but majority of people still use the old macbooks, even the 2012 macbooks. 

 

maybe in a few years when USB-C has completely replaced USB-A, but not until then (and by that time, this macbook pro will be obsolete). 

[The Sloth]

10 hours ago, DrMacintosh said:

Actually I found this video while sitting on the can which seems to go pretty contrary to some of the stuff you have been saying 

 

 

1

not a trustworthy review, Quinn did a better job with highlight positives and negatives. 

[DrMacintosh]

1 hour ago, nerdslayer1 said:

not a trustworthy review, Quinn did a better job with highlight positives and negatives. 

Don't see how when the guy goes through his methodology quite clearly with little bias. 

 

My beef is the complaints you have made about the performance of the machine which is better on the 2016 model and the cooling which is also better on the 2016 model. In addition the machines also have better practical battery life than the 2015 models. 

 

So I don't see the issues with the machines. They are thinner, lighter, more powerful, cooler, and have a cutting edge I/O compliment. 

[The Sloth]

10 minutes ago, DrMacintosh said:

So I don't see the issues with the machines. They are thinner, lighter, more powerful, cooler, and have a cutting edge I/O compliment. 

not exactly 

[Pendragon]

1 hour ago, DrMacintosh said:

performance of the machine which is better on the 2016 model and the cooling which is also better on the 2016 model. In addition the machines also have better practical battery life than the 2015 models

Literally none of this is true. 

[DrMacintosh]

20 minutes ago, Pendragon said:

Literally none of this is true. 

 

[Guest lilbman]

17 hours ago, Zando Bob said:

Maybe, though I've heard they have overheating issues as well. 

No, not on the 1050 model.  On the 960M model, I do believe there were some issues.

[Guest lilbman]

17 hours ago, Zando Bob said:

Maybe, though I've heard they have overheating issues as well. 

They used to, but I think they took care of them.  I found a thread of owners talking about it, and it seems to be isolated cases that don't affect 99% of machines.

 

[Pendragon]

3 hours ago, DrMacintosh said:

snip

 

Lets break down everything wrong with what you're proposing. 

 

Firstly, he picked THE WORSE 2015 Macbook Pro I've ever seen. That's some shit unit he's got there. Secondly, most 2015 Macbook Pros on Haswell run faster than the 6920HQ on the top specced 2016 Macbook Pro. Reason is 2016 MBP caps around 3.1ghz 4 core turbo which is shown across multiple reviews, heavy thermal throttling to 3.1ghz which is about where it maxes out. Convenient for this one, he picked a low end one with the 6700HQ which is capped at 3.1ghz anyways. Secondly, on everything cept the tier 1 6920HQ, increasing turbo bins is not an option as Intel has locked it the fuck down, so theoretically performance is capped at 3.1ghz regardless. Whereas saved oc profiles made on windows can carry over to the mac side with a few tweaks. GPU obviously not a contest, new one beats the old one. But CPU is cherry picked the fuck out of in that video.

 

Thermal throttling is prevalent in every single 2016 review that stresses it to 100% unless its with a low end chip like the 6700HQ. My Ivy Bridge 3820QM pumps out better numbers than both shown in the video. 

 

Finally LOL that battery life defence is a joke. It does better on MAX load. K. Sure. OFC it is. It's using a chip 2 generations more efficeint and a huge leap forward in the GPU efficency. Every day battery life is still poor compared to the 2015 model.

 

Side note: No one is claiming dongles galore is a real thing. 1 dongle is enough to get all the ports you need. It's the issue that if you lose or misplace ur dongle, you're absolutely fucked.