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Ryzen has another instruction implementation problem, VME is broken

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AMD already stated upfront that there is no support for win 7 and below. So this is news?

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On 5/13/2017 at 1:33 PM, Master Disaster said:

VMs are a thing though. Imagine the chaos if AMD were selling server CPUs to farms running VM clusters?

were not talking server platform, we're talking consumer grape chips here. so if AMD has a few bugs for a 5 gen old os, on consumer platforms it's not that big of a deal. If this happened on the new server lineup then it would be a HUGE deal

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54 minutes ago, BaRoMeTRic said:

AMD already stated upfront that there is no support for win 7 and below. So this is news?

do you have any idea how VMs work? apparently not

 

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were not talking server platform, we're talking consumer grape chips here. so if AMD has a few bugs for a 5 gen old os, on consumer platforms it's not that big of a deal. If this happened on the new server lineup then it would be a HUGE deal

consumer?!

please tell me the difference between the consumer Ryzen and the enterprise Ryzen version

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54 minutes ago, Darth Revan said:

Sorry for telling it the way it is.

AMD forced launched a product which was not yet ready for consumers.

While the processors themselves may not have an issues, the issue lies with the motherboards which were not ready for release.

Thus I called it, a beta product. A product which is still in development. And the price of buying Ryzen right now, is that people get to be beta testers.

So, would you also classify those Intel products mentioned as beta?  Just curious.

51 minutes ago, BaRoMeTRic said:

AMD already stated upfront that there is no support for win 7 and below. So this is news?

Actually, that's not technically true.  I was on one of the marketing Webinars from AMD, and I asked them if Windows 7 drivers would be available.  I was told that yes, they would be, since the chipset design was actually based on an existing chipset (I can't recall which one).

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5 minutes ago, Jito463 said:

So, would you also classify those Intel products mentioned as beta?  Just curious.

X99? Yes.

5 minutes ago, Jito463 said:

Actually, that's not technically true.  I was on one of the marketing Webinars from AMD, and I asked them if Windows 7 drivers would be available.  I was told that yes, they would be, since the chipset design was actually based on an existing chipset (I can't recall which one).

Actually both of you are correct.

AMD said that Ryzen won't be supported on Win7.

And AMD said that Ryzen will be supported on Win7.

 

This was one of those moments where the left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing.

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27 minutes ago, zMeul said:

consumer?!

please tell me the difference between the consumer Ryzen and the enterprise Ryzen version

Naples and Snowy Owl are the enterprise products not Ryzen.

 

Naples:

  • More CCX modules
  • 64 PCIe lanes
  • 8 Channel memory
  • Socket SP3 (4094 pins)
  • LGA not PGA

Still these all use the Zen architecture so it's likely this bug is in the Naples/Snowy Owl engineering samples and will be fixed before launch. Good to know that the advice I was giving to not use Ryzen for virtual hosts was correct.

 

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2 minutes ago, leadeater said:

Naples and Snowy Owl are the enterprise products not Ryzen

please cut the crap

businesses can't use i3, i5 or i7s because they're not Xeons?

 

if AMD already started production of Naples, they had no knowledge of this issue and won't be fixed on the production line

assuming this is micro-code fixable

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Just now, zMeul said:

please cut the crap

businesses can't use i3, i5 or i7s because you're not Xeons?

Um what? The statement you responded to was specifically stating Ryzen is not the server platform which is true. Naples and Snowy Owl are the server platforms which is all I said.

 

The origin of the point you responded to was that a bug that effects virtual machine hosting would be far more catastrophic on the server platform, this isn't dismissing the issue on the desktop side.

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5 minutes ago, zMeul said:

please cut the crap

businesses can't use i3, i5 or i7s because they're not Xeons?

 

if AMD already started production of Naples, they had no knowledge of this issue and won't be fixed on the production line

assuming this is micro-code fixable

Enterprise =/= buisness

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Just now, leadeater said:

Um what? The statement you responded to was specifically stating Ryzen is not the server platform which is true

what?

currently there is no server platform for Zen - if a business out there wants Zen, there's only Ryzen

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Just now, zMeul said:

what?

currently there is no server platform for Zen - if a business out there wants Zen, there's only Ryzen

He was speaking about server use, not buisness

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Just now, zMeul said:

what?

currently there is no server platform for Zen - if a business out there wants Zen, there's only Ryzen

True but there are no Ryzen servers other than custom built ones out of parts which no sensible business would do and as I stated I've already been advising not to use Ryzen for VM hosting.

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Enterprise for a tech company is generally servers. Take HPE for an example. A small buisness would never buy from them because HP - ENTERPRISE isnt for buisnesses its for SERVERS

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Just now, Clanscorpia said:

He was speaking about server use, not buisness

please point to me where the server grade Zen based CPUs are available

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Just now, zMeul said:

please point to me where the server grade Zen based CPUs are available

They arent available, that was the point. Jesus

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2 minutes ago, leadeater said:

True but there are no Ryzen servers other than custom built ones out of parts which no sensible business would do and as I stated I've already been advising not to use Ryzen for VM hosting.

it matters not what you advise but what the market actually does

I also advised people to stay away from Ryzen for at least 6-12 months because of the launch issues and other issues that might be uncovered during exploitation

 

how was this discovered? by people running VMs ..

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1 minute ago, Clanscorpia said:

They arent available, that was the point. Jesus

geez .. they are not!

good god!

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11 minutes ago, leadeater said:

Still these all use the Zen architecture so it's likely this bug is in the Naples/Snowy Owl engineering samples and will be fixed before launch. Good to know that the advice I was giving to not use Ryzen for virtual hosts was correct.

zMeul you're literally looking for a fight. Your reply had nothing to do with his original post

 

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14 minutes ago, Clanscorpia said:

zMeul you're literally looking for a fight. Your reply had nothing to do with his original post

Well at least I found it amusing how massively the point was missed, and great example of making sure you read posts fully and correctly otherwise comprehension of the point may be severely impaired.

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16 minutes ago, Clanscorpia said:

zMeul you're literally looking for a fight. Your reply had nothing to do with his original post

 

When is he not looking for a fight on a topic that's AMD related... It's like he lives for this

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18 hours ago, LAwLz said:

Some zMeul stats (this is what being objective is all about):

Topics created in the 2 month - 31 topics

Topics about AMD - 8

Topics which may be considered negative towards AMD - 3

Topics which may be considered POSITIVE towards AMD - 1

 

So about 25% topics created by zMeul in the last 2 months were about AMD, and 10% were negative. The rest were either positive or neutral (like "recent W10 patch shows improvements for Ryzen" and "Microsoft blocks updates for Ryzen and Kaby Lake on Windows 7")

 

90% of his topics were not shitty on AMD, and yet a large group of people on this forum brings up the remaining 10% whenever they get the chance. And you say he is the one that is being a fanboy/biased? Come on...

I think you're using inaccurate data here. You're saying that only 10% of topics posted have been negative towards AMD, but that number doesn't help at all because every topic that isn't about AMD can't be negative toward the company anyway (not unless it's off-topic bashing which is ill advised).

 

I think the number that matters is that 3 out of 8 topics about AMD were negative, which constitutes 37.5% of all topics.

 

I won't comment on whether that reveals a bias or not. But I also believe you're not being objective in that analysis even though you claim to, because labeling a topic positive / negative is a process that requires a value judgment which can never be objective. It would be objective to say that "X topics out of Y about AMD included one of the following negative words directed toward AMD: incompetent, mistake, problem, broken (...)".

 

So if I may, how did you choose which topics were negative, neutral and positive?

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54 minutes ago, zMeul said:

geez .. they are not!

good god!

Are for real today? FUCK! He said there are NONE AVAILABE, and you replied with your wrong there not available. Please take a midol and stop this nonsensical arguing. This is you arguing "See I told you its not xyz... its xyz stupid, jEEZ"

 

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1 minute ago, jasonc_01 said:

Are for real today? FUCK! He said there are NONE AVAILABE, and you replied with your wrong there not available. Please take a midol and stop this nonsensical arguing. This is you arguing "See I told you its not xyz... its xyz stupid, jEEZ"

that was the whole fucking point of the argument - that they do not exist

and it wasn't his point, it was mine

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Just now, zMeul said:

that was the whole fucking point of the argument - that they do not exist

and it wasn't his point, it was mine

Thats exactly what he SAID! Quote "They arent available, that was the point. Jesus" and you replied with Quote "geez .. they are not! good god!". 

 

Dude this isn't hard to comprehend, you corrected him with his own answer! 

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1 minute ago, jasonc_01 said:

Thats exactly what he SAID! Quote "They arent available, that was the point. Jesus" and you replied with Quote "geez .. they are not! good god!". 

 

Dude this isn't hard to comprehend, you corrected him with his own answer! 

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