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On 08/05/2017 at 10:24 PM, bazookaman36 said:

Is this a right move for ESL? Or is this complete nonsense?

 

 

Update from ESL Partner:

 

 

Source: https://pvplive.net/c/csgo-players-barred-from-esl-tournament-transgender and http://www.anykey.org/esports-for-all-women/

 

Edit: As @Energycore has requested, I changed the title to "ESL not allowing transgender CSGO players into female only tournament" and I also added response from ESL's partner.

CAN YOU PLEASE STOP SPREADING FAKE NEWS?!

 

This was a targeted troll attack on buzzfeed. It was staged. And the people who were "banned from entering" admitted it WAS A HOAX TO TRICK THE MEDIA.

 

You can read more about it HERE:

https://www.infowars.com/exclusive-buzzfeed-tricked-into-publishing-fake-news-story/

 

Yes yes, i know, Infowars... But atleast they would know to check their sources this time around, as they got hit by the same type of "attack"....

This is fake news. Sorry for the inconvenience this article has caused.

 

To read more, please go to this article from Info Wars: https://www.infowars.com/exclusive-buzzfeed-tricked-into-publishing-fake-news-story/

 

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A group of online comedians who plotted to fool BuzzFeed into posting a completely fake news story were successful after the “social news and entertainment company” published hoax claims that the group had been denied entry to an all female video game tournament because they were transgender.

 
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A team of transgender Counter-Strike: Global Offensive players were barred from entering an online female-only tournament and were told by ESL they could be penalized for faking their gender.

Is this a right move for ESL? Or is this complete nonsense?

 

 

Update from ESL Partner:

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Regardless of what it says on your passport or ID, or what judgements people may want to make about who they think you are, at AnyKey we believe in a policy of “you are who you say you are.” This means that anyone who self-identifies and lives as a woman should be able to participate in any women-only tournament.

 
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Source: https://pvplive.net/c/csgo-players-barred-from-esl-tournament-transgender and http://www.anykey.org/esports-for-all-women/

 

Edit: As @Energycore has requested, I changed the title to "ESL not allowing transgender CSGO players into female only tournament" and I also added response from ESL's partner.

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Just now, zMeul said:

why is this news?!

idk

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3 minutes ago, zMeul said:

why is this tech news?!

Because it's related to tech, and it is news.

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This is totally stupid IMHO. They changed the gender and are a new personality now. You can't fake it or change every other day like you feel.

They shuld be allowed to attend every match like every other peson with the same sex.

 

Allways the phobias against homosexual, transsexual and other kindes of "not so mainstream" persons. Just sad.

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I say we just start taking DNA samples. XY = Male, XX = Female, and BAMF = Apache helicopter or John Wick. 

 

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Is the ESL arguing that the players that are biologically male have some sort of advantage? There is a similar debate in combat sports, where trans-gendered athletes are having to compete in their biological sex's division. But there is some reason to this, as there are genetic differences in bone structure, bone density, angle of the hips (relates to kicking power), etc. I say all this to ask this question: Is there a biological advantage to being a genetic male in competitive gaming? I don't see one, but perhaps someone else knows if there is indeed one. Its the only logical reason for not allowing trans-gender competitors in a "All Female" video game tournament.

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9 minutes ago, Stevoisboss said:

It doesn't matter if you cut off your dick or not. You are still a guy regardless of what you do to your body or what you identify as. 

Actually they feel like a girl regardless of what's betwwen theier legs (or the other way around).

 

Also I don't feel like arguing, and personally I don't like to do it myself eigther. But I think people should be allowed to plan and change theier life as they like as long as they don't hurt anybody else. And they cleary don't, so it's fine.

 

Have you ever met a transgender person? By some of them you can't tell they where ever the other sex.

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Actually they feel like a girl regardless of what's betwwen theier legs (or the other way around).

 

Also I don't feel like arguing, and personally I don't like to do it myself eigther. But I think people should be allowed to plan and change theier life as they like as long as they don't hurt anybody else. And they cleary don't, so it's fine.

 

Have you ever met a gransgender person? By some of them you can't tell they where ever the other sex.

It doesn't matter what they feel. Facts are facts. If they want to pretend to be the opposite sex that is fine; other people don't have to pretend too. I know they can't help it and I have nothing against those people and I don't mean that in an offensive way. That doesn't change the fact that they are male or female though. 

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I don't see why it makes a difference? eSports are the only sport where there is no gender difference in capability. 

Also, if you have a penis you are male. If you have a vagina, you are female. Doesn't matter if you were born with it, or not. 

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They probably werent going to start hugging and kissing each other while playing the damn game, so i see no reason why they couldnt be allowed in!

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Unless hormones affect the developmental reaction time to the point of being the same as the gender you identify as, then you should be in the same category as your biological gender. Sorry not sorry. Men have a better reaction time than women so a man should not be in the same league as a woman.

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5 minutes ago, TacticlTwinkie said:

 But there is some reason to this, as there are genetic differences in bone structure, bone density, angle of the hips (relates to kicking power), etc. I say all this to ask this question: Is there a biological advantage to being a genetic male in competitive gaming?

Testosterone, in the medical setting, is known as the "grow all" hormone. It is because of testosterone that men grow larger muscles, stronger bones, have more blood cells, hemoglobins and myoglobins. 

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11 minutes ago, ARikozuM said:

Apache helicopter

What is with you and apache helicopter obsession? Unless apache helicopter is one of your personalities in which case I apologize. 

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Just now, Hunter259 said:

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Well... that heavily depends on the "man" we are talking about. I dont think i am turtle slow, but im not jackrabbit quick either.

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Just now, Stevoisboss said:

It doesn't matter what they feel. Facts are facts. If they want to pretend to be the opposite sex that is fine; other people don't have to pretend too. I know they can't help it and I have nothing against those people and I don't mean that in an offensive way. That doesn't change the fact that they are male or female though. 

That's exactly why they use hormons and chirurgie. Until we can transplat brains that's all they can do. But I get what you are saying and I can understand you pint of view.

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Just now, Bouzoo said:

What is with you and apache helicopter obsession? Unless apache helicopter it's one of your personalities in which case I apologize. 

Apache Helicopter is the meme, but I prefer John Wick as a gender option. 

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Just now, VerticalDiscussions said:

Well... that heavily depends on the "man" we are talking about. I dont think i am turtle slow, but im not jackrabbit quick either.

Why are you throwing other animals into this? We are talking about humans. Men have better reaction times on average. End of story.

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Just now, Hunter259 said:

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Because i think women and man are the same thing :/...

 

If its not a universal truth, then its just not true.

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2 minutes ago, Stefan1024 said:

Actually they feel like a girl regardless of what's betwwen theier legs (or the other way around).

 

Also I don't feel like arguing, and personally I don't like to do it myself eigther. But I think people should be allowed to plan and change theier life as they like as long as they don't hurt anybody else. And they cleary don't, so it's fine.

 

Have you ever met a gransgender person? By some of them you can't tell they where ever the other sex.

I don't think anyone is arguing against the psychology behind it; rather it's the biology. No matter your sexuality, identity or whatever else: you either have XX chromosomes or XY chromosomes. As much as modern society is shifting towards everything being on a scale or being fluid; the fact is that biology is very binary in that scenario. It changes a lot of things including the body that's why it's controversial in sports as often male-to-female athletes have a huge advantage over their supposed female peers.

 

If I recall correctly males have an advantage in reaction time and possibly other factors that might impact esports but have no source to back that up.

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21 minutes ago, Stefan1024 said:

This is totally stupid IMHO. They changed the gender and are a new personality now. You can't fake it or change every other day like you feel.

They shuld be allowed to attend every match like every other peson with the same sex.

 

Allways the phobias against homosexual, transsexual and other kindes of "not so mainstream" persons. Just sad.

not saying there arent people like that but there probably is people who do pretend and try to take advantage of situations 

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Just now, VerticalDiscussions said:

Because i think women and man are the same thing :/...

 

If its not a universal truth, then its just not true.

But they aren't the same.... Bodies develop differently. Brains especially. 

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6 minutes ago, ARikozuM said:

I say we just start taking DNA samples. XY = Male, XX = Female, and BAMF = Apache helicopter or John Wick. 

 

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I'm completely serious, except for the last one.

 

that does not work since we have intersex people. and intersex people are the living proof that transgender people can exist regardless of dna since intersex people often identify with either male or female, while a small portion(still pretty big, around 25% i think) just identifies as intersex. intersex completely defies the binary gender and sexes system. i will agree that the sexes system is pretty limited because we can base it directly on DNA and phenotype, while gender is way more loose in this regard simply because of its societal use.

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Just now, ARikozuM said:

Testosterone, in the medical setting, is known as the "grow all" hormone. It is because of testosterone that men grow larger muscles, stronger bones, have more blood cells, hemoglobins and myoglobins. 

Yes, exactly. Someone who grew up as a biological male, and transitioned at, say, age 20, would have and 20 years of testosterone level much higher than a biological female. That would fundamentally change the way the body was formed as that individual was growing up. It would give a huge advantage in combat sports, and most other sports as well. 

 

The best solution to this in my mind, is to have an "open" division, in addition to the standard male and female divisions. Its a division where gender isn't an issue, just weight classes.

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