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AMD dropped the ball with the AM4 specifications for AIO coolers

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1 hour ago, Coaxialgamer said:

A_I don't want to fry a brand new cpu

B_Thats far from an elegant solution 

C_ mounting hardware is available soon, i can just wait and run at 3.5ghz until then. 

you know the cpu will shut off if the temps get too high right you can't fry a cpu with inaduquate cooling

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What a mess of a launch.

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For everyone in this thread with an Asetek based AIO (list) they sell cheap mounting kits on their ebay page, and will likely have an AM4 kit there too whenever it's ready for 5 USD

 

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Well, at least upgrade kits are shipping, X370 motherboards are showing, pretty much all of them in stock where I live. Lack of those mobos for some time looked a bigger issue though. Bios updates are getting release so that's great.

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2 hours ago, Misanthrope said:

So what doesn't makes sense? The fact that some of you are responding to AMD's incompetence with not-so-tongue-in-cheek comments about zip ties? Don't answer that was more rhetorical I am zipping this tangent effective immediately.

I don't know why people use Zipties....when Meccano works far better and provides everything (silicon washers, plastic spacers, steel washers etc....). Zipties can't provide enough pressure unlike Meccano:
 

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Edit: Just FYI, the first 2 images are from when I still had a working water cooler (hence the brackets) and a working gaming mouse. But the same principle applies (except with silicon washers on the underside instead of plastic ones+the bracket, and a washer onto of it to prevent the screw from pulling through)

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1 hour ago, | Rembo | said:

you know the cpu will shut off if the temps get too high right you can't fry a cpu with inaduquate cooling

Sure, but that doesn't mean it's a good idea 

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10 minutes ago, Dabombinable said:

I don't know why people use Zipties....when Meccano works far better and provides everything (silicon washers, plastic spacers, steel washers etc....). Zipties can't provide enough pressure unlike Meccano:
 

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Edit: Just FYI, the first 2 images are from when I still had a working water cooler (hence the brackets) and a working gaming mouse. But the same principle applies (except with silicon washers on the underside instead of plastic ones+the bracket, and a washer onto of it to prevent the screw from pulling through)

I'll actually have to look through my old box of mecanno to see if i can find anything useful. That's actually a great idea 

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1 hour ago, | Rembo | said:

you can't fry a cpu with inaduquate cooling

Are you issuing a challenge to LTT there?

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1 minute ago, Coaxialgamer said:

I'll actually have to look through my old box of mecanno to see if i can find anything useful. That's actually a great idea 

Long story short, its far better than the push pin method, lasts far longer and is more durable than what most manufacturers use, and as long as you can sort of get the mounting holes lined up correctly it will work (I'd be using springs as well, but they are on my LGA775 motherboard atm).

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Expecting a flawless CPU launch was delusional. That said, waiting a few weeks would have really helped AMD with their image at launch, I don't know, they could've been having some pressure placed on them by their major stock holders to release on time, but I don't think we'll ever know.

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3 hours ago, Misanthrope said:

leave that for scrapyard wars, season 3 is coming soon

* season 5 ;)

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4 hours ago, Misanthrope said:

Joking aside that's not a bad point: Even with a custom water loop and (arguably but still) lots of experience the best Jay could do after waiting for better ram, better Bios, etc. was 4.1 stable with far too much power and 4.0 on more sane voltage.

 

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So it really doesn't looks like overclocking the chip with water is really going to do much like maybe 200 or 300mhz squeezed with really high end solutions and lots of patience.

Jay didn't know about the 20c offset, and thus was afraid to turn up the voltage.

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39 minutes ago, RadiatingLight said:

Jay didn't know about the 20c offset, and thus was afraid to turn up the voltage.

Temps are 20 offset on the AMD tool too? 

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9 minutes ago, Misanthrope said:

Temps are 20 offset on the AMD tool too? 

I think so.

Jay was getting 45c idle temps, which really doesn't make sense unless you subtract 20.

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5 hours ago, Misanthrope said:

I'm interested to know said reason since it's been months and we still have seen fuckall in the way of hardware from intel.

If i had to guess it was because they had plans for a q1 release that could not be delayed because of contracts.

They possibly wanted to maximize the time they had before intel could respond as sales of ryzen are vital to amds future

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soo they rushed it out...we knew this same with mobo's and if mobo's aren't available for cooler companies then duh they wouldn't have time to do that. Still it's been a few weeks now so they should be on top of it with current products by now if they just dedicated 1 person to make new mounting gear as an engineer to this project.

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2 hours ago, MonkeyBrainz said:

So you think all the math, design, prototyping, testing, and mass production is ramped up in a couple weeks? I guarantee you Intel gave Asetek and others the full specs of the LGA3467 socket and how it would be integrated on motherboards a good 4-5 months in advance of launch so liquid cooled servers could just come flying off the shelves for Knight's Landing.

Don't think it is done typically, but do think it CAN be done. I mean 3/4 of be quiet's coolers worked on launch and the rest have received kits. Then again what do I know I've only done contracted work for modifications similar to these in a few hours with 4-5 revisions.

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BTW, if the mounting pressure of AM3 coolers is the problem-just look at alternative non cable tie methods to replace the screws/pins.

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3 hours ago, Dabombinable said:

BTW, if the mounting pressure of AM3 coolers is the problem-just look at alternative non cable tie methods to replace the screws/pins.

That's one option.

 

But again: what is wrong with expecting AMD not to completely fucking botch communication with their business partners and either give them the info they need or delay the launch slightly to avoid all of this?

 

This is beyond just a technical problem but is a pretty significant business relationships problem: we should not normalize the fact that apparently several manufacturers were angry enough at AMD to vent it out in public to call them out and see if that has any effect on them since normal communication channels apparently do not work.

 

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24 minutes ago, Misanthrope said:

That's one option.

 

But again: what is wrong with expecting AMD not to completely fucking botch communication with their business partners and either give them the info they need or delay the launch slightly to avoid all of this?

 

This is beyond just a technical problem but is a pretty significant business relationships problem: we should not normalize the fact that apparently several manufacturers were angry enough at AMD to vent it out in public to call them out and see if that has any effect on them since normal communication channels apparently do not work.

 

That's fucked

^^ Yeah, this ^^.

 

This whole launch feels like a rushed 'day-before-it's-due' school project in a way where AMD (barely) had their act together and failed to inform the rest of the team when they were done.

 

It's understandable that AMD wanted to be rather 'hush-hush' about the chips themselves I guess and 'surprise' Intel with the launch, but couldn't they ask for confidentiality from the board vendors if that was the case? 

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Just now, J3v400 said:

^^ Yeah, this ^^.

 

This whole launch feels like a rushed 'day-before-it's-due' school project in a way where AMD (barely) had their act together and failed to inform the rest of the team when they were done.

 

It's understandable that AMD wanted to be rather 'hush-hush' about the chips themselves I guess and 'surprise' Intel with the launch, but couldn't they ask for confidentiality from the board vendors if that was the case? 

Even if that was a concern: providing pressure numbers and the tolerances for a bunch of screws and metal plates doesn't gives out much about the actual fucking chip.

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Just now, Misanthrope said:

Even if that was a concern: providing pressure numbers and the tolerances for a bunch of screws and metal plates doesn't gives out much about the actual fucking chip.

 

That too. This whole issue, really shouldn't be one. The whole launch shouldn't be one really.  

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19 hours ago, Misanthrope said:

for some reason AMD was unwilling to further delay the Ryzen launch when even 2 or 3 weeks would have helped a lot.

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1 hour ago, Misanthrope said:

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If you ask me share holders weren't willing to let AMD delay the launch, AMD isn't stupid, they probably had no choice, this isn't something I can see them doing on purpose.

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1 hour ago, Misanthrope said:

That's one option.

 

But again: what is wrong with expecting AMD not to completely fucking botch communication with their business partners and either give them the info they need or delay the launch slightly to avoid all of this?

 

This is beyond just a technical problem but is a pretty significant business relationships problem: we should not normalize the fact that apparently several manufacturers were angry enough at AMD to vent it out in public to call them out and see if that has any effect on them since normal communication channels apparently do not work.

 

That's fucked

If its an AM3 specific cooler...the result of alternative mounting methods just means that people will be able to continue using the coolers which they've been using for years (over a decade in a lot of instances), and that cooler manufacturers lose out making them put pressure on AMD to do the right thing for the next socket instead of rushing shit forward with minimal notification and time to prepare.

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