AMD Ryzen HAS BEEN ANNOUNCED!!!

[Bananasplit_00]

7 minutes ago, MValuableP said:

Yeah they can all be overclocked, I'm aware of that. I just tried to say they won't do a very good job on overclocking compared to Intel chips since the lower (x)W. 

um.. please explain your reasoning here?

[TheRandomness]

1 minute ago, MValuableP said:

I don't remember. If you saw Linus' video there was the part about them having lower (I believe TDP) such as 65W or 95W on the higher models.

65W TDP goes to the 1700, 95W TDP goes to the other two. And no, that doesn't really affect overclocking, it just means it'll produce less heat (probably).

[Tomsen]

2 minutes ago, MValuableP said:

I don't remember. If you saw Linus' video there was the part about them having lower (I believe TDP) such as 65W or 95W on the higher models.

Remember when you start overclocking, the chips doesn't have to run within their normal TDP.

[The Communist Alien]

4 hours ago, DocSwag said:

Source: http://www.anandtech.com/show/11143/amd-launch-ryzen-52-more-ipc-eight-cores-for-under-330-preorder-today-on-sale-march-2nd

52% IPC? So by the looks of the benchmarks Ryzen is slightly behind Broadwell ipc, so about Haswell or so. HOWEVER, those prices though! It seems all the leaks were real, and we really are getting an 8 core CPU for $330!!! Ryzen, it seems, is gonna completely shake up the CPU market wit amd pricing 8 core CPUs at 1/3 of the price they used to be!!! Holy crap!!! 

 

The CPU market, it seems, is ready for a HUGE shake up now! What are you guy's thoughts?

 

EDIT: So I just watched the LTT Ryzen video, and it seems that the cooler these CPUs will ship with comes with RGB! I know some of you will say this is too much, but I think it's a great move. Tests have already shown the wraith is on par with the 212 evo in performance and is just a bit louder, so adding RGB means that for budget (ish) users they might not even need an aftermarket CPU cooler anymore! That's reall neat IMO and only adds to the Ryzen value proposition.

 

EDIT 2: Thanks to @SCGazelle, I've realized that it seems a lot of AM4 mobos have been listed on Newegg. You can't order them yet, but they are there. Most will be released within a week of March 2nd. The X370 boards seem to start around $160 but most are at least $200, so it's an X99 equivalent, and the B350 boards are priced around z170/z270. You can check the mobos out here.

Im Most interested in the AMD Ryzen 3 1200x. It is the Best of the AMD Ryzen 3 Seres SUPER PUMPED. 

[MValuableP]

4 minutes ago, Bananasplit_00 said:

i dont see why this would be the case? AMD can just drop CPUs with more cores aswell. games are already benefitting quite a bit from having 8 threads and games are being programed to use more and more threads all the time. the I7 7700K winns today because it has the clockspeeds, anyone on 3rd gen core I or older would see improvements moveing to Ryzen, maybe even those on 4th gen. but as i said Ryzen isnt for the mid range value gamers right now, its for the budget guys, the mid teir streamers and content creators and for the high end content creators and benchmark junkies. 

 

AMD could also just counter that will more core spam, not really anything stopping the core spam exept for costs which are about equal for both companies. AMD could easely drop a 12 core with second get Zen for the consumer market unless there is some fundemetal problem with that in the architecture, they have a 32 core with SMT called Naples on the way to be launched later this year based on the same architecture as Ryzen so i cant see why we cant have a 12 core later. For now Intel has the win for the gamers but if AMD can get second gen Zen to run at 5GHz on air then the competition is going to get even closer. if Intels slides are anything to go by Coffelake will just be another Kabylake with a clock speed bump and no real increase in IPC

Sure thing! I agree with what you said, but then again, it comes down to the consumer, and do we really need 12 cores? I mean, gamers wont (yet for a looooong time), maybe HEAVY multitaskers, but for the standard consumer, 8 cores will be more than enough, and then the race becomes irrelevant when releasing 12 cores, because there'll be no consumer base for it (other than the extreme enthusiasts). But a counter-argument to this would be pricing. Intel have not been touched by AMD for a VERY long time. These prices are a statement of battle. A battle to be the "best" in the business. It's great for us as consumers, and if it becomes a reality that these prices for 8c/16t will be the norm (or it'll go even cheaper), then sure, why not go for a 12c/xt CPU if it's about the same price as a 6800k is now. But then every post on here will become kids linking PCPP's with 12c/xt CPUs for their Minecraft monster machine

[MValuableP]

9 minutes ago, TheRandomness said:

65W TDP goes to the 1700, 95W TDP goes to the other two. And no, that doesn't really affect overclocking, it just means it'll produce less heat (probably).

I might have misheard, but I thought it meant a lower loft for overclocking. My bad, and apologies if I'm misinformed.

 

@Bananasplit_00 might be the reason here, sorry

[Drak3]

46 minutes ago, techstorm970 said:

Wait a second...

Now I have to choose between the Ryzen logo and CHEEZITplier...

Dammit...

With the power of Photoshop (or Gimp) why choose?

[Centurius]

For people wondering about EU pricing, things are looking very good. A Dutch retailer has put up pre-order pages and they are as follows

 

1800X - €559 - https://azerty.nl/product/amd/2590740/ryzen-7-1800x-processor-3-6-ghz

1700X - €439 - https://azerty.nl/product/amd/2590742/ryzen-7-1700x-processor-3-4-ghz

1700 - €359 - https://azerty.nl/product/amd/2590743/ryzen-7-1700-processor-3-0-ghz

[Drak3]

18 minutes ago, TheRandomness said:

65W TDP goes to the 1700, 95W TDP goes to the other two. And no, that doesn't really affect overclocking, it just means it'll produce less heat (probably).

AMD might have a good binning process, and the 1700 might not an optimal overclocker (perhaps it takes more power to reach the same speeds as the 1700X and 1800X), earning it a spot as the 1700. We can extrapolate that there is the possibility for that to occur based on the TDP groupings of these chips, we just can't say with any certainty that said possibility is true.

[Techstorm970]

17 minutes ago, Drak3 said:

With the power of Photoshop (or Gimp) why choose?

Great idea!

[TigerHawk]

Man this is funny. The motherboard I've picked out to preorder is only available for preorder on the online stores that don't have the CPUs to preorder. Having to buy things separately and end up paying more taxes. Government plot I tells ya.

[Mr.Dingle]

Man , im thinking of ditching my 4690k for the 1700X ... worth it ? 

[Techstorm970]

39 minutes ago, Prysin said:

best board compared to what? a pile of shit?

go look at Intel boards, go look at what TOP END Z170 or Z270 offers... then go look at Ryzen, we are getting second tier Haswell/Skylake boards... SECOND TIER, as top tier RYZEN boards

Oh yeah?

ASUS Crosshair VI Hero with AM4 socket

https://www.techpowerup.com/230297/asus-rog-crosshair-vi-hero-flagship-motherboard-detailed

http://hothardware.com/news/asus-rog-crosshair-vi-hero-am4-x370-ryzen-motherboard-gets-unboxed-on-video

 

[captain cactus]

18 minutes ago, Centurius said:

For people wondering about EU pricing, things are looking very good. A Dutch retailer has put up pre-order pages and they are as follows

 

1800X - €559 - https://azerty.nl/product/amd/2590740/ryzen-7-1800x-processor-3-6-ghz

1700X - €439 - https://azerty.nl/product/amd/2590742/ryzen-7-1700x-processor-3-4-ghz

1700 - €359 - https://azerty.nl/product/amd/2590743/ryzen-7-1700-processor-3-0-ghz

Since I'm Dutch and know what it says:

 

Only the 1700 seems to come with a stock cooler for now (the Wraith Spire). Both the 1700X and 1800X don't have a cooler bundled with them at this time, or Azerty's info is wrong and the X series do have a Wraith cooler.

[captain cactus]

50 minutes ago, TheRandomness said:

Well, the R5 6C/12Ts should be around $250.

I know it will, it's a pity AMD isn't mentioning them anywhere for a same-date launch as the R7 series.

[Memories4K]

10 minutes ago, ColonelThunder said:

Man , im thinking of ditching my 4690k for the 1700X ... worth it ? 

I have a 4690k as well but i wouldn't really do that.
IPC seems to be similar to Haswell/Broadwell, unless you need the extra cores/threads.
I'm waiting until Zen+ to upgrade (which won't be for a while)

[goodtofufriday]

1 hour ago, Prysin said:

sure it will be close, in some cases, others not. But you have to look at teh whole ecosystem. Look at the boards, the partners...

With this big a launch, you expect the board partners to bring their BEST boards out at launch. You know, the "Maximus EXTREME" brand. The top end boards. The expensive boards...

And what is on display? two tiers/generations behind intels current offerings... Sure there will be more feature rich boards eventually. But nobody is going to wait 6-18 months for a better board. They want RYZEN now, when there is hype.

 

RYZEN is doomed to flop. Even if the chip is pretty good, the boards, the overclocking, the actual TDP (please, as if 8 cores 16 threads is 95w in Prime95 or during Folding at home).  AMD also raised the bar for cooling. Given their decent stock cooling, you cannot just grab a 50$ cooler, because it will only improve things marginally, instead you need to go directly to 75-100+$ coolers... Which means any serious overclocking is going to cost you more then what you currently need on Intels offerings.

 

Just face it. RYZEN, IS, NOT, THAT, GREAT.

in some cases is all you need. The cpu market is a market of use case after all. Even with intel's line up, the choice is all about use case. So i dont understand your argument here.

As for motherboards Ive seen plenty of boards with modern feature sets. Some with USB 3.0, 3.1, and type c all on one board. 

Any system builder worth his salt (most of us here on ltt forums) wait for the parts we want. For other we recommend based on what they need. if Ryzen is the price/perf king then it will be recommended right out of the gate.

95w tdp is base clock and everyone including you knows that. No one buying the X series cpus are going to care because we expect it to be higher than that. Same story with intel. Any AMD didnt raise any bar, since as Im sure you know anyone who overclocks expects to pay more for cooling. Your arguments again do not make sense as what you described is what is currently true in the market place and for intel.

A decent cooler to do any meaningful OC on intel cost 75+. And if you mention those low end cheap plastic evo coolers then please don't even bother responding to this point.

 

You have no evidence to claim ryzen isnt that great. Any point you mentioned is either already true of intel or is simply a fallacy. But, again, I am quite sure you are aware of all of this, so its interesting to me how you make these arguments to begin with.

[Techstorm970]

34 minutes ago, Drak3 said:

With the power of Photoshop (or Gimp) why choose?

Ta-daaaa!

 

[Drak3]

1 minute ago, techstorm970 said:

Ta-daaaa!

 

It'd be better if you replaced Mark's irises with the Zen logo.

[Prysin]

20 minutes ago, techstorm970 said:

Oh yeah?

ASUS Crosshair VI Hero with AM4 socket

https://www.techpowerup.com/230297/asus-rog-crosshair-vi-hero-flagship-motherboard-detailed

http://hothardware.com/news/asus-rog-crosshair-vi-hero-am4-x370-ryzen-motherboard-gets-unboxed-on-video

 

yeah and?

YOU JUST PROVED MY FUCKING POINT.

[DocSwag]

54 minutes ago, Prysin said:

best board compared to what? a pile of shit?

go look at Intel boards, go look at what TOP END Z170 or Z270 offers... then go look at Ryzen, we are getting second tier Haswell/Skylake boards... SECOND TIER, as top tier RYZEN boards.... And you call second tier Haswell/Skylake boards for "top end". Go away, just go the fuck away man. you ain't got a clue about performance parts.

But the thing is, it's not like $200 X99 boards are much better than Z270 or Z170 $200 boards. The difference is very little. So it doesn't really matter. Do you mind showing how the X370 boards are comparable to second tier skylake and haswell boards?

 

And the other thing is, the prices of Ryzen! Sure, in terms of everything, Ryzen might not directly compete against the 6900k due to less PCIe lanes and whatnot, but the thing is it's 2 times cheaper! The IPC might be slightly behind at Haswell levels, but the clock speeds are higher which puts Ryzen in competition with Broadwell-E. And the PCIe lanes don't matter that much, since at most you only need 2 way SLI which only needs 16 lanes (x8/x8 has been shown to be more than enough even for cards like the Titan XP), so you still have 8 lanes for whatever you want-m.2 drives, whatever. 

 

I don't think Ryzen is quite as good as Broadwell-E in terms of features (it doesn't have quad channel or as many pcie lanes and the chipset probably has less stuff too), but it's still AMAZING, since in terms of performance it's on par with Broadwell and maybe even Skylake (though I'm not sure about Kaby Lake). 

[DuckDodgers]

The hype is real!

 

 

[Techstorm970]

11 minutes ago, Drak3 said:

It'd be better if you replaced Mark's irises with the Zen logo.

Better? 

[Drak3]

1 minute ago, techstorm970 said:

Better? 

Now I want Ryzen sunglasses.

[Prysin]

you guys need to actually look into what a HIGH END BOARD is. A Hero board is not high end. It is the "budget OCer" in ASUS's lineup.

You guys are so fucking stuck up your rear ends with hype, you cannot see the forest for trees.