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Feb. 10th, 2017 - The WAN Show Document



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Ryzen Lineup & Prices Confirmed, 8 Cores for as low as $320

Source 1: http://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-lineup-pricing-confirmed-8-cores-low-320/

  • AMD’s entire Ryzen CPU lineup has been verified and pricing for its 8 core SKUs confirmed through various online retailers

  • At least three different CPUs to be available on day 1

    • Includes the Ryzen 7 1800X, Ryzen 7 1700X, Ryzen 7 1700

  • One site where the pricing comes from is shopbit.com

  • Picture of chart

    • Ryzen 7 1700 - $316.59 USD

    • Ryzen 7 1700X - $381.72 USD

    • Ryzen 7 1800X - $490.29 USD

    • All three feature 8 cores and 16 threads

  • The Ryzen 7 1700 will get you Intel I7 6900K class performance for nearly 1/4th the price & less than half the power

(RUMOR) Intel Responds to AMD Ryzen with i7 7740K and i5 7640K

Source 1: https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/734277-intels-respons OP: NumLock21

Source 2: https://www.overclock3d.net/news/cpu_mainboard/intel_is_reportedly_cr

  • Intel is reportedly creating higher clocked Kaby Lake CPUs to combat Ryzen

    • Will create new CPUs to outperform the i5 7600K and i7 7700K SKUs

      • Providing higher per core performance of any Intel CPU to date

  • Rumors come from Canard PC Hardware

  • I5 7640K and i7 7740K

A Fire Broke Out At A Samsung Battery Factory

Source 1: https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/735063-after-the-burning-n OP: suicidalfranco

Source 2: http://www.forbes.com/sites/bensin/2017/02/08/a-fire-broke-out-at-a-sa

Source 3: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-02-08/samsung-sdi-pu

  • Samsung affiliated factory in Tianjin, China - caught fire on the morning of Feb 8, 2017

  • Pictures circulated on Weibo, a Twitter-like Chinese social media service

    • Showing plumes of black smoke above the factory

    • The fire didn’t affect production, spokesman Shin Yong-doo said on Wednesday

  • Picture

  • was caused by discarded faulty batteries, the company has said


Rapid Fire

Chinese Factory Replaces 90% of Human Workers with Robots. Sees 250% Production Increase

Source 1: http://monetarywatch.com/2017/01/chinese-factory-replaces-90-human-worke

  • One of China’s first unmanned factories in the city of Dongguan recently replaced 590 workers with robots

    • Factory used to be run by 650 employees, only 60 of them still work there

    • Most of them ensure that these machines are in working order

  • Changying Precision Technology Company focuses on production of mobile phones and uses automated production lines

    • Robotic arms produce certain parts of the mobile phones at each station

  • General manager Luo Weiqiang said that the number of human employees could drop to 20 someday

  • Since this shift, pieces per person per month has risen from 8,000 to 21,000

    • 250% increase

  • This company isn’t the only one making the change

    • Made In China 2025 initiative aims to apply technological advances to production, which includes using robots

NVIDIA Shows Record Profit and Revenue Strong Gaming Sales

Source 1: https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/736003-nvidia-shows OP: Curufinwe_wins

Source 2: https://www.pcper.com/news/Editorial/NVIDIA-Announces-Q4-2017-Results#co

  • NVIDIA has a record quarter in Q4, 2016

    • Revenue of $2.173 billion USD

      • Up more than $700 million from the previous Q4

  • NVIDIAs Q4, 2016 is referred to as Q4, FY17


Valve Will Kill Steam Greenlight This Spring, to be Replaced With New Program

Source 1: https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/736056-valve-will-kill-steam- OP: zMeul

Source 2: https://steamcommunity.com/games/593110/announcements/detail/558846

Source 3: http://www.pcgamer.com/valve-reveals-its-plan-to-replace-steam-greenlight/

  • New system called “Steam Direct” expected to go live this spring

  • Valve has been dissatisfied with Steam Greenlight for a while

    • Gabe Newell even described the system as “probably bad for the Steam community”

    • Stated that the goal was to “make Greenlight go away, not because it’s not useful, but because [they’re] evolving”

  • Steam Direct will enable developers to get their games on Steam without having to pass an approval process first

  • They will ask developers to complete a set of digital paperwork, personal or company verification, and tax documents - similar to signing up for a bank account

  • Once set up, developers will pay a recoupable application fee for each title they wish to distribute

    • Intended to decrease the amount of bad games submitted to Greenlight as a joke

  • Valve has said that there are now more than 100 Greenlight games that have earned at least $1 million each

    • Many of which wouldn’t have been on Steam in the first place if it weren’t for Greenlight

Nintendo Announces that now over 100 Games are in Development for the Switch, up from 80 - and Boosted Console Production

Source 1: https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/731802-nintendo-an OP: GoodBytes

Source 2: http://www.polygon.com/2017/2/1/14469822/nintendo-launch-titles

  • From 70 publishers

  • Nintendo president Tatsumi Kimishima told investors this week that there are now more than 100 titles in development for the Nintendo Switch

  • “After the presentation on January 13, we have continued to receive more requests from more and more software publishers who want to develop games for the system” Kimishima said during a briefing earlier this week

    • Added that the unannounced new titles will be detailed in the future

  • Reiterated that Nintendo plans to ship two million units of the new console worldwide by the end of March

  • “We are preparing our supply systems to ensure that we will be able to make continued shipments after launch as well”

Twitch Communities Beta

Source 1: https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/735977-twitch-communities-beta/ OP: cpyarger

Source 2: https://blog.twitch.tv/communities-93de2c1a2e4d#.8sxicy73r

Source 3: https://techcrunch.com/2017/02/09/twitch-launches-communities-to-help-gamers-or

  • Twitch Communities is designed to cater to users’ unique interests

    • Section initially contains hundreds of categories

      • Some of which build on top of gamers’ interests, as well as some that don’t

    • Dedicated sections to things like cosplay, drawing, painting, comedy, food, music, and more

  • Twitch is also saying users can setup their own communities, if they choose

    • “We’ve heard from our streamers and viewers that they want the freedom to form specific groups, organizing around topics such as speedrunning, esports, cosplay and painting,” said Sheila Raju, Product Marketing Manager at Twitch

  • Communities can be personalized by their creator, each with their own specific rules

    • Customizable banner and avatar, and can have a community leader

  • Inside these communities will be a “stream wall”, which displays live content from creators who are choosing to broadcast to the community

    • Broadcasters associating themselves with a community could give them more exposure for their content - allowing to pick up more fans



Qualcomm Going into PCs, Kind Of - DragonBoard 820c

Source 1: https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/735414-qualcomm-go

Source 2: http://wccftech.com/dragonboard-820c-computer-snapdragon-820/

  • DragonBoard 820c is world’s first Snapdragon 820 Based Computer

  • Features:

    • 32GB of on-board storage

    • 3GB of LPDDR4 memory

    • Wi-Fi

    • USB 2.0/3.0 ports

    • Bluetooth 4.1

    • Graphics powered by Qualcomm’s Adreno 540

    • Snapdragon 820

  • DragonBoard 820c will power drones, robots and other IoT devices

  • Snapdragon 820 can support cameras with resolutions up to 28MP and the Adreno 530 will support 4K @ 30fps

  • Not yet commercially available

    • Once so, it will most likely get Windows 10 IoT support

Tim Sweeney Says Windows Cloud is Ransomware

Source 1: https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/735278-tim-sweene OP: Kloaked

Source 2: http://www.kitguru.net/tech-news/matthew-wilson/tim-sweeney-continues-his-anti-mi

  • He has previously taken issue with the Universal Windows Platform

    • Has claimed that Windows wants to try and kill Steam

  • Is now branding the recently leaked ‘Windows Cloud’ as ransomware

    • Is essentially a spiritual successor to Windows RT

    • Cloud is set to be a stripped back version of Windows 10 with some functionality removed, locking things down to just UWP apps

  • Screenshot of Tweets

  • Tweet 1

    • Update: Windows Cloud will steal your Steam PC game library and ransom it back to you... for a price. Source: https://t.co/Wc8xihRaCo

  • Tweet 2

    • Want to buy software from someone other than Microsoft? They will make you pay for the privilege. Disgusting and ILLEGAL!

  • Tweet 3

    • Windows Cloud is ransomware. It locks out Windows software you previously bought and makes you pay to unlock it by upgrading to Windows Pro

Kodi is Getting a UWP Version and is Coming to Xbox One Soon

Source 1: https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/735629-kodi-is-getting-a OP: Master Disaster

Source 2: http://www.windowscentral.com/kodi-coming-windows-10-and-xbox-one-full-uwp-app

  • Kodi is a popular open-source media center app, derived from the old Xbox Media Center

  • Announced at Windows Developer Day Event, the non-profit XBMC Foundation announced it’s working on a Universal Windows Platform version of Kodi

    • Allowing it to return to Xbox

    • Kodi is currently available for Windows PCs as a Win32 program

    • There are fairly complex ways of getting Kodi to work on Xbox One already, but it won’t beat a native app

  • Kodi hasn’t announced a timeframe when their UWP app will land on the store, but they said Windows 10 mobile support will be thrown in

YODA - The Bill That Would Let you Own and sell your devices, is Re-introduced into Congress

Source 1: https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2017/02/yoda-bill-would-let-you-own-and-se

Source 2: https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/114/hr862/summary

  • If a computer program enables a device to operate, YODA would let you transfer ownership of a copy of that computer program along with the device.

  • Law overrides any agreement to the contrary (like the abusive EULAs commonly included with such software).

  • If you have a right to receive security or bug fixes, that right passes to the person who received the device from you.

NASA Has Finally Built a Computer Chip to Survive on Venus

Source 1: https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/735461-nasa-has-fin OP: Coaxialgamer

Source 2: https://gizmodo.com/nasa-has-finally-built-a-computer-chip-to-survive

  • Chip on Venus must overcome 800 degree F temperature and chemically-reactive atmosphere

  • At high temperatures Silicone starts behaving like a regular conductor instead of a semiconductor. Winning chip made of silicon carbide instead.

  • Recreated Venus’ atmosphere in a toxic high pressure cooker

  • Current chip only has 24 transistors

Driverless Car Owners Will Need ‘two-in-one’ Insurance Policies Under New UK Government Plans

Source 1: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/02/09/driverless-car-owners-will-ne

Source 2:

  • Claims against cars in driverless mode paid out by insurance companies who will then recover costs from the party responsible- maybe the car’s manufacturer.

  • Could increase insurance costs in short term but decrease them long term (as autonomous cars gain track record of safety)

Bacteria Bounce Along Walls Like Flies Bounce ALong a Window

Source 1: https://arstechnica.com/science/2017/02/bacteria-bounce-along-


Twitter Stock Nosedives After it Reports Sluggish Revenue Growth

Source 1: http://www.theverge.com/2017/2/9/14558702/twitter-q4-fourth-quarter-2016-earnings

  • This quarter Twitter reported that its daily active user count was up 11%

    • First time in a year that it had a double digit increase in this category

  • Revenue growth came in at just 1%

    • Far from the 48% year-over-year growth Twitter reported during the same period in 2016

  • Investors saw this news and it sent shares down more than 10%

Superbowl LI Ad from Google Made a Frenzy on Those Customers Who Already Owned a Google Home System

Source 1: https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/734560-superbowl-li-ad OP: Tech_Dreamer

Source 2: http://www.digitaltrends.com/home/google-home-super-bowl-ad/

  • During the 1 minute ad, Google displayed several ways which users can ask the device everyday questions

    • Such as “turn up the music” or “What’s a good substitute for cardamom”

    • Somes users said their Home device didn’t exactly react in a similar way to the commercial

  • One Twitter user said their device responded back with, “sorry, I don’t understand”

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@LinusTech Would you be so kind as to fix the document for night theme? I and all night theme users would appreciate it :)

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3 minutes ago, Energycore said:

@LinusTech Would you be so kind as to fix the document for night theme? I and all night theme users would appreciate it :)

<--- Night theme user


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I'll be very happy if they'll ditch Twitch for YouTube when they're doing a WAN show live. 




There is more that meets the eye
I see the soul that is inside


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This is what I hope is helpful feedback.


I watched the WAN show on a HDR 4K Smart TV, with decent external sound.


Immediately I could see that the WAN show was "brighter" (more poppy), and Luke and Linus appeared to be a lot paler than their normal shade of nerd.


Unfortunately, the sound mostly came across as lacking in base and mid-range, quite possibly the YouTube soundtrack was not complete. The title music was there, just, but needs some more love to make it bearable.


Surprisingly, there was virtually continuous blurring around the mouths and, if the head was turning and hair was out of place, that blurred too. This surprised me.


Finally, as you get everything working properly, things that one never noticed previously become very obvious. Such as too many bits and pieces on the microphone.


None of the above is a criticism, I do enjoy watching the WAN show, and look forward to seeing how it develops this year.



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On the topic about desktop/laptop/mainstream CPU,

I think that the onlly thing that will shake the market is a new good general puropse architechture.

x86 and x86_64 are not that bad but their designs are super-old (I programmed some x86 ASM recently... that stuff is needlessly complex). They was not thought to be multi-core instruction sets. I hope for a GP-GPU style main chip, in which we will be able to plug buses(SATA, PCI, not actual buses) and peripherals in,offering completely asynchronous tasks regarding said peripherals.... oooh I dream. BUT, this will only work with x86_64 retrocompatibility, and that won't happen (unless Intel does it) so, I think we're stuck.

I don't think that AMD will be able to light up a full CPU revolution, even if I like AMD as a company more than Intel (and especially Nvidia <- these a-holes don't open source anything), Intel surely has something ready, even if I don't think that a 8 thread i5 is coming this generation....

Anyway, we shall all start a movement about ultra-concurrent CPUS for General Purpose computing. Definitely.

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