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JolliWasp

hey guys, prior to this thread I made a list with part I really want but due the budget restriction of $2000 or less and hoping for huge Christmas sale so I've picked out thus far for alternative, how would you suggest I change from this otherwise? pure gaming, will but not excessive O.C. also with GTX 780 TI around the corner should I still go with GTX770? thanks a lot! 


MotherBoard: GA-Z87X-UD3H
CPU: Intel Core i7 4770k
GPU: Inno3D GTX770 iChiLL 4GB GDDR5 (256bit)
RAM: Corsair Vengeance Pro CMY16GX3M2A2133C11 DDR3 2133MHz 16GB Kit (2x8GB)
SSD: Samsung 840 EVO Series MZ-7TE120BW 120GB 2.5" SATA3 6Gb/s
HDD: Seagate ST2000DM001 2TB Barracuda SATA3 6Gb/s /64MB HDD
PSU: SilverStone Strider Gold ST1200-G Evolution 1200W 80Plus Gold
case: Thermaltake Urban S31 USB3.0 ATX Case

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No point in an i7 for gaming. An i5 will game just as well as an i7 because hyperthreading doesn't really benefit games. 

High speed ram is not worth the money just for gaming. In most cases, the difference is almost always negligible with a dedicated gpu. 

Why 16GB ram? 

Psu is overkill. A decent 550w is already plenty. 750w would be enough for sli.

 

Christmas is a while from now. Plan later--at most 2-3 days before you buy. Parts and prices change frequently so there's little point planning so early. 

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The PSU is way overkill. All you need it about 650 watts max for those components. Can save A BUNCH of money on that. Its a baller PSU, but its so overkill its silly. With the money you save on the PSU alone, you can get a GTX 780! Also, for pure gaming, maybe a i5 and more GPU power would be good, although don't get me wrong, I recommend i7's all day, every time. Also, 2133 is a bit pointless, with an OC on the 4770k, it might not even run the RAM at 2133, it should but might have to drop it down to 1866 anyways. And its been proven so many times that RAM speed is basically meaningless. I usually say just go 1600, or 1866 if you really want. With the savings on the PSU and RAM, can easily up the GPU power to a 780 or maybe even 780 ti ;)

Rig: i7 13700k - - Asus Z790-P Wifi - - RTX 4080 - - 4x16GB 6000MHz - - Samsung 990 Pro 2TB NVMe Boot + Main Programs - - Assorted SATA SSD's for Photo Work - - Corsair RM850x - - Sound BlasterX EA-5 - - Corsair XC8 JTC Edition - - Corsair GPU Full Cover GPU Block - - XT45 X-Flow 420 + UT60 280 rads - - EK XRES RGB PWM - - Fractal Define S2 - - Acer Predator X34 -- Logitech G502 - - Logitech G710+ - - Logitech Z5500 - - LTT Deskpad

 

Headphones/amp/dac: Schiit Lyr 3 - - Fostex TR-X00 - - Sennheiser HD 6xx

 

Homelab/ Media Server: Proxmox VE host - - 512 NVMe Samsung 980 RAID Z1 for VM's/Proxmox boot - - Xeon e5 2660 V4- - Supermicro X10SRF-i - - 128 GB ECC 2133 - - 10x4 TB WD Red RAID Z2 - - Corsair 750D - - Corsair RM650i - - Dell H310 6Gbps SAS HBA - - Intel RES2SC240 SAS Expander - - TreuNAS + many other VM’s

 

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No point in an i7 for gaming. An i5 will game just as well as an i7 because hyperthreading doesn't really benefit games. 

High speed ram is not worth the money just for gaming. In most cases, the difference is almost always negligible with a dedicated gpu. 

Why 16GB ram? 

I still say 16 gigs of RAM is a good idea, RAM isn't that expensive, and more is always better. I know that isn't really true, but I honestly don't think 8 gigs is enough either anymore, so 16 is the option to go for imo. I have 12 in my system and I think that is just perfect, but its triple channel so 12 is actually an option that works. 

 

And an i7, with new games maybe using more threads, isn't a bad option. Plus i7's are i7's... they are kinda amazing. 

Rig: i7 13700k - - Asus Z790-P Wifi - - RTX 4080 - - 4x16GB 6000MHz - - Samsung 990 Pro 2TB NVMe Boot + Main Programs - - Assorted SATA SSD's for Photo Work - - Corsair RM850x - - Sound BlasterX EA-5 - - Corsair XC8 JTC Edition - - Corsair GPU Full Cover GPU Block - - XT45 X-Flow 420 + UT60 280 rads - - EK XRES RGB PWM - - Fractal Define S2 - - Acer Predator X34 -- Logitech G502 - - Logitech G710+ - - Logitech Z5500 - - LTT Deskpad

 

Headphones/amp/dac: Schiit Lyr 3 - - Fostex TR-X00 - - Sennheiser HD 6xx

 

Homelab/ Media Server: Proxmox VE host - - 512 NVMe Samsung 980 RAID Z1 for VM's/Proxmox boot - - Xeon e5 2660 V4- - Supermicro X10SRF-i - - 128 GB ECC 2133 - - 10x4 TB WD Red RAID Z2 - - Corsair 750D - - Corsair RM650i - - Dell H310 6Gbps SAS HBA - - Intel RES2SC240 SAS Expander - - TreuNAS + many other VM’s

 

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The PSU is way overkill. All you need it about 650 watts max for those components. Can save A BUNCH of money on that. Its a baller PSU, but its so overkill its silly. With the money you save on the PSU alone, you can get a GTX 780! Also, for pure gaming, maybe a i5 and more GPU power would be good, although don't get me wrong, I recommend i7's all day, every time. Also, 2133 is a bit pointless, with an OC on the 4770k, it might not even run the RAM at 2133, it should but might have to drop it down to 1866 anyways. And its been proven so many times that RAM speed is basically meaningless. I usually say just go 1600, or 1866 if you really want. With the savings on the PSU and RAM, can easily up the GPU power to a 780 or maybe even 780 ti ;)

with that said, could I do a lot of multi-media stuffs like audio-recording and video editing? I'm kind of a "jack of all trade" that wants to try many things. I'll be using this for graphic design and programming(which is by the way in no way good at it.... so much for being I.T.)

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get the r9 290x instead, get 8 gb ram, add more later if u feel the need. 

What games will you be playing and what other things will u do with your desktop?

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No point in an i7 for gaming. An i5 will game just as well as an i7 because hyperthreading doesn't really benefit games. 

High speed ram is not worth the money just for gaming. In most cases, the difference is almost always negligible with a dedicated gpu. 

Why 16GB ram? 

Psu is overkill. A decent 550w is already plenty. 750w would be enough for sli.

 

Christmas is a while from now. Plan later--at most 2-3 days before you buy. Parts and prices change frequently so there's little point planning so early. 

well, I do plan to add another GPU for SLI later on, but it shouldn't be a problem with extra on standby right?

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I still say 16 gigs of RAM is a good idea, RAM isn't that expensive, and more is always better. I know that isn't really true, but I honestly don't think 8 gigs is enough either anymore, so 16 is the option to go for imo. I have 12 in my system and I think that is just perfect, but its triple channel so 12 is actually an option that works. 

 

And an i7, with new games maybe using more threads, isn't a bad option. Plus i7's are i7's... they are kinda amazing. 

I never said 16GB is a bad idea. I asked why. Some people who get 16GB never even peak 8GB. 

 

What separates the i5 and i7 is hyperthreading. HT doesn't add more threads. It just changes how the cores are used. The optimizations in how the core is used don't really benefit games because games already take advantage of the cores well without HT. 

with that said, could I do a lot of multi-media stuffs like audio-recording and video editing? I'm kind of a "jack of all trade" that wants to try many things. I'll be using this for graphic design and programming(which is by the way in no way good at it.... so much for being I.T.)

Unless you're making money depending on how quickly you can work with audio and video, the benefits from HT are hardly worth the $100 price difference. 

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well, I do plan to add another GPU for SLI later on, but it shouldn't be a problem with extra on standby right?

A 750w will be fine for that.

Not sure what you mean by extra on standby...

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I never said 16GB is a bad idea. I asked why. Some people who get 16GB never even peak 8GB. 

 

What separates the i5 and i7 is hyperthreading. HT doesn't add more threads. It just changes how the cores are used. The optimizations in how the core is used don't really benefit games because games already take advantage of the cores well without HT. 

Unless you're making money depending on how quickly you can work with audio and video, the benefits from HT are hardly worth the $100 price difference. 

 

so to sum it all up:

i5 would be sufficient, or go for i7 if I really want to.

Same goes for RAM.

 

       side note here: I like to play a lot of genre of games, may it be minimal requirements and/or high demands. especially high demand   (i.e. Castlevania: LoS : Crysis 3) I'll be doing some GamePlay footage between my buddies/bandmate... to make them jealous of my rig...lol

 

and...

no, it's just for hobby, I play guitar, and I'm moving far away for work from my buddies/bandmates so I'll be doing some recording/cover so I won't go rusty.

 

A 750w will be fine for that.

Not sure what you mean by extra on standby...

what I mean is I might buy another GPU to the rig and I won't have to buy another PSU to replace to support the new addition. but if 750w is sufficient then, GREAT! more cash to spend on other things...

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get the r9 290x instead, get 8 gb ram, add more later if u feel the need. 

What games will you be playing and what other things will u do with your desktop?

I'm not quite familliar with AMD, but I have been thinking about it, and to move out of my comfort zone. maybe if my budget can afford me a nvidia.

Lately I'm not that much picky with the genre anymore, but most major titles will definitely on the list. Let's just set the bar at Crysis 3 so I can play new games at high setting with no problem at all. Some MMO and Online like BF, in-game MMO like AC3 or SplinterCell: Blacklist

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GPU: Inno3D GTX770 iChiLL 4GB GDDR5 (256bit)

 

This makes me think you live in SA as it's the only place that mass markets Inno3D products that I know of, lol.

Anyways it looks solid, I'd stick with 16 gigs of ram because listening to you just made me notice that you're definitely going to use it in the coming years.

Get a 750 watt power supply, even if you want to SLI that will be sufficient.

The difference between the i5 and i7 in gaming is minuscule and the i5 even performs better at times. What an i7 does is take your 4 cores and break each of them into 2 virtual cores (threads) for better work load spreading, in reality it's still a quad core cpu with just little better load spreading.

 

if you do live in SA watch the prices of AMD, you can get a much better deal on Nvidia cards (saying this because someone mentioned an AMD card). If you live anywhere else, check the pricing on both sides first, then decide. (make sure you do check those that compete with each other lol)

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CPU: R5 1600 @ 4.2 GHz; GPU: Asus STRIX & Gigabyte g1 GTX 1070 SLI; RAM: 16 GB Corsair vengeance 3200 MHz ; Mobo: Asrock Taichi x470; SSD: 512 gb Samsung 950 Pro Storage: 5x Seagate 2TB drives; 1x 2TB WD PurplePSU: 700 Watt Huntkey; Peripherals: Acer S277HK 4K Monitor; Logitech G502 gaming mouse; Corsair K95 Mechanical keyboard; 5.1 Logitech x530 sound system

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Get GTX 780. It's cheaper now and is best option for bang for buck card.

| CPU: i7 3770k | MOTHERBOARD: MSI Z77A-G45 Gaming | GPU: GTX 770 | RAM: 16GB G.Skill Trident X | PSU: XFX PRO 1050w | STORAGE: SSD 120GB PQI +  6TB HDD | COOLER: Thermaltake: Water 2.0 | CASE: Cooler Master: HAF 912 Plus |

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The difference between the i5 and i7 in gaming is minuscule and the i5 even performs better at times.

Now this is ridiculous statement. How i5 can perform better, when i7 is the almost the same, but with more HTs?

| CPU: i7 3770k | MOTHERBOARD: MSI Z77A-G45 Gaming | GPU: GTX 770 | RAM: 16GB G.Skill Trident X | PSU: XFX PRO 1050w | STORAGE: SSD 120GB PQI +  6TB HDD | COOLER: Thermaltake: Water 2.0 | CASE: Cooler Master: HAF 912 Plus |

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This makes me think you live in SA as it's the only place that mass markets Inno3D products that I know of, lol.

Anyways it looks solid, I'd stick with 16 gigs of ram because listening to you just made me notice that you're definitely going to use it in the coming years.

Get a 750 watt power supply, even if you want to SLI that will be sufficient.

The difference between the i5 and i7 in gaming is minuscule and the i5 even performs better at times. What an i7 does is take your 4 cores and break each of them into 2 virtual cores (threads) for better work load spreading, in reality it's still a quad core cpu with just little better load spreading.

 

if you do live in SA watch the prices of AMD, you can get a much better deal on Nvidia cards (saying this because someone mentioned an AMD card). If you live anywhere else, check the pricing on both sides first, then decide. (make sure you do check those that compete with each other lol)

if by SA you mean south asia, than yes. or sort of. if not than what do you mean by SA? lol

well.. I didn't really thought of hyperthreading, but I multi-task all the time, and my current rig isn't helping much. 

yeah, the list was picked from the price list available online within the budget. though I still need to check for current walk-in market price. I'll be moving to Hong Kong so finding parts there won't be issue.

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Go with i7 if budget is no problem, if yes, then go with i5

| CPU: i7 3770k | MOTHERBOARD: MSI Z77A-G45 Gaming | GPU: GTX 770 | RAM: 16GB G.Skill Trident X | PSU: XFX PRO 1050w | STORAGE: SSD 120GB PQI +  6TB HDD | COOLER: Thermaltake: Water 2.0 | CASE: Cooler Master: HAF 912 Plus |

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Now this is ridiculous statement. How i5 can perform better, when i7 is the almost the same, but with more HTs?

The way hyperthreading works is it "cuts the core in half" for lack of better explanation and this in turn reduces frame rates by around 5-8 in some games compared to the i5. I know it's not a major difference but in that case the i5 performs better non the less.

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CPU: R5 1600 @ 4.2 GHz; GPU: Asus STRIX & Gigabyte g1 GTX 1070 SLI; RAM: 16 GB Corsair vengeance 3200 MHz ; Mobo: Asrock Taichi x470; SSD: 512 gb Samsung 950 Pro Storage: 5x Seagate 2TB drives; 1x 2TB WD PurplePSU: 700 Watt Huntkey; Peripherals: Acer S277HK 4K Monitor; Logitech G502 gaming mouse; Corsair K95 Mechanical keyboard; 5.1 Logitech x530 sound system

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so to sum it all up:

i5 would be sufficient, or go for i7 if I really want to.

Same goes for RAM.

       side note here: I like to play a lot of genre of games, may it be minimal requirements and/or high demands. especially high demand   (i.e. Castlevania: LoS : Crysis 3) I'll be doing some GamePlay footage between my buddies/bandmate... to make them jealous of my rig...lol

and...

no, it's just for hobby, I play guitar, and I'm moving far away for work from my buddies/bandmates so I'll be doing some recording/cover so I won't go rusty.

what I mean is I might buy another GPU to the rig and I won't have to buy another PSU to replace to support the new addition. but if 750w is sufficient then, GREAT! more cash to spend on other things...

What I'm saying it it's not worth getting the i7 unless how much money you make directly correlates with how fast you can work and process projects. 

If you're doing a fair bit of audio and video editing, 16GB of ram and a 8350 would probably be a better alternative for the extra cores. 

Now this is ridiculous statement. How i5 can perform better, when i7 is the almost the same, but with more HTs?

Because HT doesn't add cores but just changes how it's used. Games are use the cores quite well without HT already and HT can actually be less efficient for games.

If you ever need help with a build, read the following before posting: http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/3061-build-plan-thread-recommendations-please-read-before-posting/
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Because HT doesn't add cores but just changes how it's used. Games are use the cores quite well without HT already and HT can actually be less efficient for games.

Thank you.

 

And I agree with the 8350 statement.

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CPU: R5 1600 @ 4.2 GHz; GPU: Asus STRIX & Gigabyte g1 GTX 1070 SLI; RAM: 16 GB Corsair vengeance 3200 MHz ; Mobo: Asrock Taichi x470; SSD: 512 gb Samsung 950 Pro Storage: 5x Seagate 2TB drives; 1x 2TB WD PurplePSU: 700 Watt Huntkey; Peripherals: Acer S277HK 4K Monitor; Logitech G502 gaming mouse; Corsair K95 Mechanical keyboard; 5.1 Logitech x530 sound system

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What I'm saying it it's not worth getting the i7 unless how much money you make directly correlates with how fast you can work and process projects. 

If you're doing a fair bit of audio and video editing, 16GB of ram and a 8350 would probably be a better alternative for the extra cores. 

if that's the case, what motherboard would you suggest otherwise? like I previously said, I'm not familiar with AMD prouducts

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if that's the case, what motherboard would you suggest otherwise? like I previously said, I'm not familiar with AMD prouducts

I suggest planning later. Like I said, parts and prices change frequently. 

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